Help Help with my exit bag

[Obliviate]

Hi guys! I need some help from the gas experts or just anyone who has any knowledge on the inert gas method. So I made a test draft exit bag not a final one ofcourse and inflated it with argon on my head. It successfully fully inflated in about 2 minutes. I have attached some images below and have some concerns:

• I have read the Final Exit and the PPH. There are two ways to construct the exit bag. Either with a hairband/sweatband (Final Exit) OR the elastic draw cord method (PPEH)
• I tried the hair band method since I already had it at home. It is quite stretchy as you can see but my neck is quite small. It fits perfectly on my forehead (following the instructions) but when putting it down my neck it's not too snug. I can enter all 5 of my fingers into the bag when on my neck. I saw a post somewhere that the ideal should be 2 fingers for the proper flow off CO2 leaving and oxygen not entering. I fear it might be too loose?
• Another concern is that I have really long hair. The final exit suggest to put all hair inside when it's in the forehead position like a shower cap so like a hair bun. I don't think the PPEH mentions anything about hair. But if I put my hair in a low bun it takes up space inside the bag which I can fix by getting a bigger bag. However if I leave my hair outside the bag just out/ponytail, I'm concerned about how it will effect the flow rate as my hair will be blocking some of the entrance.
• Next, the tube that came with my regulator is quite heavy but it doesn't seem to be too much of a problem as I have just taped it alot. If you guys have any thought about what type of tape. I have regular/duct/packaging tape
• My also concern with the hairband is that if it keeps getting stretched as I do more trail runs it will get too stretched which again will effect the flow rate at the neck as it wont fit snugly around the neck
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I have put a pencil for scale purposes to showcase the size of the oven bag. It's a decent size. I have a small head. I will be ordering more to practice on. I also attached a video to view the stretchability of the band. My argon gas/regulator is working greatly in the flow rate of 30 SCFH (conversion from 15Lpm) Also does anyone have any DIY exit bag videos? I can no longer find the one with Betty as it was taken down. Or just any other sources on how to construct it other than final exit and PPEH?

It felt surreal inflating the bag over my head. I thought, I could literally just pull this down over my face and I'll be gone.
Any help will be appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking unusual questions but we have to be very careful and detail oriented with this method.
@Greenberg @GasMonkey @outrider567 @Jrmull1993 @iiiinfinityyyy

 

[Hollowillow]

Wow! I hope a fellow genius will come soon.

My ignorant paranoia is suggesting a high bun to be sure that hairs won't mess the neck flow.

Can we put duct tape and make a hole on top of our head?

 

[Obliviate]

Wow! I hope a fellow genius will come soon.

My ignorant paranoia is suggesting a high bun to be sure that hairs won't mess the neck flow.

Can we put duct tape and make a hole on top of our head?

Lol the fact that I have to talk about my hair bun is really hilarious but yeah I put my hair in a top bun and it was fine but wanted to see if the alternatives were possible.

 

[Greenberg]

Best to tie your hair into a bun and keep it inside the bag; when attaching to your bag, snip the brass connector from the hose to reduce the mass; secure the hose as high as possible within the bag; the gap around your neck is a tad wide, try knotting your headband. Best, G

 

[Hollowillow]

Hahaha, might as well go laughing. I'll miss you, even though we didn't speak much, I recognize your avatar.

Can we use laughing gas? Is there such a thing?

 

[GasMonkey]

Why aren't you using an oxygen tube instead of that huge hose?

If you want to use a manually crafted ExitBag, the plans on the PPeH seems better than that bag (I crafted one myself in 2019 an it was very robust). I used a Swiftpak 100 micron Polyethylene bag.

 

[Obliviate]

Best to tie your hair into a bun and keep it inside the bag; when attaching to your bag, snip the brass connector from the hose to reduce the mass; secure the hose as high as possible within the bag; the gap around your neck is a tad wide, try knotting your headband. Best, G

I don't think the brass parts/screws come out. I tried maybe a wrench and it won't budge. Should I just cut it? It doesn't really bother me too much. I have attached pics

Why aren't you using an oxygen tube instead of that huge hose?

If you want to use a manually crafted ExitBag, the plans on the PPeH seems better than that bag (I crafted one myself in 2019 an it was very robust). I used a Swiftpak 100 micron Polyethylene bag.

Attaching an oxygen or PVC tube just seems a lot more complicated than just using the tube that came with the regulator. I'll order a tube and give it a shot anyways. The link you attached seems MUCH more intense than the PPEH and the sweatband method. I have ordered elastics/more sweatbands incase for backup. But the sweatband method just seems easier, simpler and effective.

Hahaha, might as well go laughing. I'll miss you, even though we didn't speak much, I recognize your avatar.

Can we use laughing gas? Is there such a thing?

I'll miss everyone here as well but will not miss this shitty ass world. The laughing gas I am not sure maybe you can ask the gas experts

 

[outrider567]

Hi guys! I need some help from the gas experts or just anyone who has any knowledge on the inert gas method. So I made a test draft exit bag not a final one ofcourse and inflated it with argon on my head. It successfully fully inflated in about 2 minutes. I have attached some images below and have some concerns:

• I have read the Final Exit and the PPH. There are two ways to construct the exit bag. Either with a hairband/sweatband (Final Exit) OR the elastic draw cord method (PPEH)
• I tried the hair band method since I already had it at home. It is quite stretchy as you can see but my neck is quite small. It fits perfectly on my forehead (following the instructions) but when putting it down my neck it's not too snug. I can enter all 5 of my fingers into the bag when on my neck. I saw a post somewhere that the ideal should be 2 fingers for the proper flow off CO2 leaving and oxygen not entering. I fear it might be too loose?
• Another concern is that I have really long hair. The final exit suggest to put all hair inside when it's in the forehead position like a shower cap so like a hair bun. I don't think the PPEH mentions anything about hair. But if I put my hair in a low bun it takes up space inside the bag which I can fix by getting a bigger bag. However if I leave my hair outside the bag just out/ponytail, I'm concerned about how it will effect the flow rate as my hair will be blocking some of the entrance.
• Next, the tube that came with my regulator is quite heavy but it doesn't seem to be too much of a problem as I have just taped it alot. If you guys have any thought about what type of tape. I have regular/duct/packaging tape
• My also concern with the hairband is that if it keeps getting stretched as I do more trail runs it will get too stretched which again will effect the flow rate at the neck as it wont fit snugly around the neck
• 
  

I have put a pencil for scale purposes to showcase the size of the oven bag. It's a decent size. I have a small head. I will be ordering more to practice on. I also attached a video to view the stretchability of the band. My argon gas/regulator is working greatly in the flow rate of 30 SCFH (conversion from 15Lpm) Also does anyone have any DIY exit bag videos? I can no longer find the one with Betty as it was taken down. Or just any other sources on how to construct it other than final exit and PPEH?

It felt surreal inflating the bag over my head. I thought, I could literally just pull this down over my face and I'll be gone.
Any help will be appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking unusual questions but we have to be very careful and detail oriented with this method.
@Greenberg @GasMonkey @outrider567 @Jrmull1993 @iiiinfinityyyy

Get a child's sweatband like I did, its tighter but Greenberg is not a sweatband fan--Personally, I'm using the EEBD hood---Instructions on Exit Bag: Google 'Doing It With Chi....Making An Exit Bag' is still around

 

[GasMonkey]

Can we use laughing gas? Is there such a thing?

Nitrous Oxide? There are documented cases of CTB with it, is not common tho.

 

[123hopeitspainfree]

Nitrous and helium are the only 2 gases I've heard when using the bag method

 

[GasMonkey]

Nitrous and helium are the only 2 gases I've heard when using the bag method

Nitrogen is the most common gas used now.

 

[MelodyCymbal]

Best to tie your hair into a bun and keep it inside the bag; when attaching to your bag, snip the brass connector from the hose to reduce the mass; secure the hose as high as possible within the bag; the gap around your neck is a tad wide, try knotting your headband. Best, G

If using the elastic drawstring method, how snug should it be? When you pull it down from your forehead how much should you cinch it? I've heard of the 2 fingers rule (perpendicular to the neck) but the elastic is so stretchy that I can slip three or four fingers in. So should it be fairly tight?

Why aren't you using an oxygen tube instead of that huge hose?

If you want to use a manually crafted ExitBag, the plans on the PPeH seems better than that bag (I crafted one myself in 2019 an it was very robust). I used a Swiftpak 100 micron Polyethylene bag.

Is a regular size oxygen tube okay? It seems like air wouldn't flow through it very fast?

If using the elastic drawstring method, how snug should it be? When you pull it down from your forehead how much should you cinch it? I've heard of the 2 fingers rule (perpendicular to the neck) but the elastic is so stretchy that I can slip three or four fingers in. So should it be fairly tight?

Is a regular size oxygen tube okay? It seems like air wouldn't flow through it very fast?

I've wondered if PVC tubing would be better but then there's the issue of attaching it. Hose clamps?