Helium

[hadenough]

Is helium still a viable method? I haven't seen many posts about it, most people are talking about N. Helium is easy to get, so how does it compare to N?

 

[BipolarExpat]

Seems like many suppliers have gotten the word, so won't sell pure He any longer.

Mind you, that is from reading here. I have no direct experience.

 

[hadenough]

I can find 99.9% pure helium, is that pure enough?

 

[BipolarExpat]

I believe it is.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Is helium still a viable method? I haven't seen many posts about it, most people are talking about N. Helium is easy to get, so how does it compare to N?

The peacefulness rating of N is 10/10, for helium it's 7/10.

 

[hadenough]

This may be my CTB method then

 

[GeorgeJL]

This may be my CTB method then

What N?

 

[hadenough]

The peacefulness rating of N is 10/10, for helium it's 7/10.

So not as peaceful as N but that's difficult to get. I wonder what the difference is between 7/10 and 10/10. I thought helium was pretty peaceful

 

[GeorgeJL]

So not as peaceful as N but that's difficult to get. I wonder what the difference is between 7/10 and 10/10. I thought helium was pretty peaceful

Yeah I thought inert gas was pretty peaceful too, but some people have a knee jerk reaction to pull the bag off their head. They might twitch too. Some people have ran test runs with nitrogen and felt uncomfortable breathing the nitrogen. I had N and some family member threw it out so personally I'm just going with heroin now. It's cheap and peaceful. I can get 2 grams off empire market for around 30 dollars. Which is unheard of on the street.

 

[how2toGetout]

So not as peaceful as N but that's difficult to get. I wonder what the difference is between 7/10 and 10/10. I thought helium was pretty peaceful

Question about Helium, compared to Nitrogen:

Is there no risk of brain damage when using Helium (pure) method, compared to Nitrogen (pure) method?
Below is a post from 'Exit bag & inert gas megathread':

Hmm... for safety reasons, not least that the only place I can store the cylinder is next to my bed (and I'm planning to still be here as long as possible), I would prefer to use helium instead of n2. Mainly in case of leaks leaving me vegetablised.

Is there a way to store the cylinder to prevent any gas leaking out over time does anyone know?

Still the problem is the only flowmeter available in the UK seems to be for argon. I tried to follow the calculation links Adrian posted earlier but they only made me wish I hadn't spent my life in the arts instead of figuring out how to do sums. I wonder if the argon flowmeter is even suitable for n2, though it would seem much more equivalent.

 

[hadenough]

Thinking more H because it's easier to get

 

[how2toGetout]

Thinking more H because it's easier to get

How is pure Helium (He) more easier to get, than pure Nitrogen?

 

[hadenough]

How is pure Helium (He) more easier to get, than pure Nitrogen?

I can get helium (99.9% pure) on amazon but never seen N sold

 

[how2toGetout]

I can get helium (99.9% pure) on amazon but never seen N sold

is this UK amazon? or US amazon? how do you know if it's 99.9% pure? does it say in the description section of the item?

can you PM me the seller name please?

 

[Lookingforabus]

Is there no risk of brain damage when using Helium (pure) method, compared to Nitrogen (pure) method?

Same risks. Depriving the brain of oxygen for a few minutes causes brain damage, period. Doesn't matter if you do that with inert gas, a ligature, or with a large body of water. Any way you go about it, you want to make sure you're doing it long enough to die.

How is pure Helium (He) more easier to get, than pure Nitrogen?

It used to be easier because you could pick up a tank of pure helium to inflate birthday balloons, but these days, those are all adulterated with air, so they contain enough oxygen to keep you alive. Industrial nitrogen or argon, however, are used for welding, so they can't be adulterated with oxygen, which is why those are the recommended gases these days.

 

[how2toGetout]

Same risks. Depriving the brain of oxygen for a few minutes causes brain damage, period. Doesn't matter if you do that with inert gas, a ligature, or with a large body of water. Any way you go about it, you want to make sure you're doing it long enough to die.

Approx. how many minutes causes brain damage? I've been reading online that 4-6 minutes is around when brain damage starts to occur..

It used to be easier because you could pick up a tank of pure helium to inflate birthday balloons, but these days, those are all adulterated with air, so they contain enough oxygen to keep you alive. Industrial nitrogen or argon, however, are used for welding, so they can't be adulterated with oxygen, which is why those are the recommended gases these days.

I'm wondering how @hadenough found 99.9% (pure) Helium on amazon..

 

[hadenough]

Here is the amazon UK link:

Amazon product ASIN B07DC9RT1W
Says it is 99.9% pure, bottled in Germany
Link didn't work. I searched in UK amazon for "helium 100%" and clicked on: "2 large disposable helium bottles/gas cylinders/fill approx. 100 balloons of 8 inch," sold by Alsino

 

[how2toGetout]

Here is the amazon UK link:

Amazon product ASIN B07DC9RT1W
Says it is 99.9% pure, bottled in Germany

The link failed. Possibly provide us the seller name on amazon UK?

 

[hadenough]

Link didn't work. I searched in UK amazon for "helium 100%" and clicked on: "2 large disposable helium bottles/gas cylinders/fill approx. 100 balloons of 8 inch," sold by Alsino

Let me know what you all think

 

[Lookingforabus]

The euthanasia folks recommend nitrogen or argon now for a reason. If you want to go through all the effort to find pure helium and take the risk that it contains some oxygen, because it can still float a balloon when mixed with air, that's your choice to make. Seems like it's easier and safer to go into an industrial has supplier with a story about welding or filling tires and get something that you can be certain doesn't contain oxygen than run around trying to find pure helium (it was for me), but that's your call, I guess.

 

[a.h]

Is helium still a viable method? I haven't seen many posts about it, most people are talking about N. Helium is easy to get, so how does it compare to N?

Big company that sells helium says CHF Ballooner helium they sell is 100% helium. People can also check that from the producer in kontakt page: https://www.cfh-gmbh.de/kontakt/

 

[Rolo]

What would be the difference in peacefulness between Helium and Nitrogen?
Compared to nitrogen, could it be that with helium there are less problems with CO2 buildup because CO2 is much heavier than helium?

 

[frees]

There is no difference between Argon, Helium and Nitrogen.

 

[passenger27]

I called around to a few welding supply companies and two of them said there was a helium shortage worldwide. That's why the tanks at party stores are 80% helium and 20% oxygen.

The last place I called was local, which was the last place I expected to find any tanks because I live in a pretty small town, but lo and behold they had tanks of helium that was 99.9% pure.

I asked the guy if they rented tanks of helium because I was having a huge family function and there were going to be a ton of kids there, and I needed 2 big tanks (1 for me and 1 for my partner, who wants to ctb too) of helium and he said sure, they rented them.

The price for the tanks and one of those regulators you push down to blow up the balloons was around $725. I already have 2 regulars but I figured I'd rent one to avoid any suspicion.

But ouch what a price tag to ctb. I've decided on something more cheap and cheerful, like the night night method or something.

 

[Morphosis]

I called around to a few welding supply companies and two of them said there was a helium shortage worldwide. That's why the tanks at party stores are 80% helium and 20% oxygen.

The last place I called was local, which was the last place I expected to find any tanks because I live in a pretty small town, but lo and behold they had tanks of helium that was 99.9% pure.

I asked the guy if they rented tanks of helium because I was having a huge family function and there were going to be a ton of kids there, and I needed 2 big tanks (1 for me and 1 for my partner, who wants to ctb too) of helium and he said sure, they rented them.

The price for the tanks and one of those regulators you push down to blow up the balloons was around $725. I already have 2 regulars but I figured I'd rent one to avoid any suspicion.

But ouch what a price tag to ctb. I've decided on something more cheap and cheerful, like the night night method or something.

Wow, that is expensive. I bought 2 tanks online for around £64 plus shipping but as mentioned above, they were likely mixed with oxygen despite saying 99% pure in item description. It was from a party balloon store. When they actually arrived there was no mention of percentage anywhere on the tanks or packaging. I set it all up although didn't have a regulator, but the bag still inflated ok.
I kept going til both tanks were empty and didn't pass out at all. Gave myself a bloody awful headache and vomited lots next day though.
So yeah I would advise Nitrogen or Argon NOT Helium these days. Lots of people on here told me afterwards about the helium shortage and being mixed with oxygen to prevent suicides.
I was gutted as I had really believed it would work.

 

[passenger27]

Wow, that is expensive. I bought 2 tanks online for around £64 plus shipping but as mentioned above, they were likely mixed with oxygen despite saying 99% pure in item description. It was from a party balloon store. When they actually arrived there was no mention of percentage anywhere on the tanks or packaging. I set it all up although didn't have a regulator, but the bag still inflated ok.
I kept going til both tanks were empty and didn't pass out at all. Gave myself a bloody awful headache and vomited lots next day though.
So yeah I would advise Nitrogen or Argon NOT Helium these days. Lots of people on here told me afterwards about the helium shortage and being mixed with oxygen to prevent suicides.
I was gutted as I had really believed it would work.

Yeah that sounds pretty suspicious about the tanks. I've never seen a party store carry tanks with pure helium but then again I'm in the US, so I'm not sure about anywhere else. That's terrible it didn't work out for you it definitely sounds like the helium was cut with oxygen. I guess there's not much you can say because they'd probably just ask "did they not blow the balloons up okay?"

I've thought about Nitrogen and Argon but I wouldn't know an excuse to give the welding shop other than saying I'm a welder, but then I wonder if they'd want to see a license or something. I'm really not sure if you can just buy Nitrogen here in the States without a legitimate reason, and I don't know anything at all about Argon.

 

[a.h]

They have more regulations in USA about many safety things. But I can't find certified info about products in Gas company web sites in Europe.
For example people in Exit have used mixtures with 7% of CO. 1% of CO makes unconscious and people go in 1-2 min.
Helium needs to be 100%. I would double check it
from the manufacturer even the stores sold it as pure.