Heaven and hell are real

[Samuel]

Demons are real.

 

[Chinaski]

This is Aldoux Huxley's ctb thread.

 

[creationisdeath]

Maybe death is heaven and our existence right now is hell..

 

[Schopenhauer]

Heaven and Hell are as fictional as Westeros. Demons are real, though. Just look at your closest penitentiary.

 

[Circles]

Demons are real.

Why the need to spread what you believe? If it happens it happens but are you trying to scare people with eternal damnation? For a lot of us this life already feels like hell and being trapped against our will having bad shit happening to us constantly that we never asked to happen, for no reason at all. If a deity actually exists then it is a piece of shit. Why the fuck would I want to be part of some eternal dopamine trip with that asshole?

 

[Sphinx]

I can't detect any sarcasm so I'll assume you mean it.

Regardless I'd like to hear your argument or perhaps your story that proved to you the existence of demons.

 

[Mr2005]

Heaven and hell sure are real. Right here on earth

 

[Aesthler]

My main problem with this ideology is that as soon as I start asking myself logical questions it starts to unravel down a rabbit hole of more and more questions that eventually can't be answered. Now I'm not stating that I know anything about anything, in fact I know nothing in comparison to what is probably really going on. People need purpose, a drive if you will to feel fulfilled and I think people like to assume the universe also must have a purpose that it all can't be just a random occurrence that means nothing at all. I just believe that the possibility of nothing is possible.

 

[Dani Paradox]

My main problem with this ideology is that as soon as I start asking myself logical questions it starts to unravel down a rabbit hole of more and more questions that eventually can't be answered. Now I'm not stating that I know anything about anything, in fact I know nothing in comparison to what is probably really going on. People need purpose, a drive if you will to feel fulfilled and I think people like to assume the universe also must have a purpose that it all can't be just a random occurrence that means nothing at all. I just believe that the possibility of nothing is possible.

Being an intellectual creates so many questions and not enough answers.





But yeah, OP, I've seen both heaven and hell through many OBE with Astral Projection...they are definitely real.... It's all one thing. They're in the same place. It's like being in a house and going from the basement up to the kitchen...

 

[creationisdeath]

Why the need to spread what you believe? If it happens it happens but are you trying to scare people with eternal damnation? For a lot of us this life already feels like hell and being trapped against our will having bad shit happening to us constantly that we never asked to happen, for no reason at all. If a deity actually exists then it is a piece of shit. Why the fuck would I want to be part of some eternal dopamine trip with that asshole?

I am sometimes scared that my heretical thoughts could bite me in the afterlife - but it makes no sense. If an omnipotent God exists he is a sadist. That's a given. Even with the "life is a lesson" new age nonsense: how am I supposed to learn without instructions?
So given that we know he is a sadist right now, why would it matter what I do? He'd just torture me some more in the afterlife.

I don't dare to say "bring it on" out loud.. but..
bring it on

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Childhood is heaven adulthood is hell.

 

[Dani Paradox]

how am I supposed to learn without instructions?

That is the test.

 

[creationisdeath]

That is the test.

By the time you could've learned you're dead.

Another big question is what we are supposed to learn. We all like different things and have different goals. The pedophile who manages to abuse hundreds of kids could say "boy I sure learned how to do it". He can be perfectly happy and content as we've unfortunately seen many times. That guy whose video I will not name because it's horrific and triggering lived very well until 70+ or so. Wealthy even. He was living his dream.

With no word from "God" whatsoever. God just watched the sick bastard.


Not to mention the view of those abused children: What are they supposed to learn? That existence is suffering and pain without escape?

Or even random catastrophes like fires. Kids burning alive will hardly learn anything other than fire hurts and God hates them.

 

[Dani Paradox]

By the time you could've learned you're dead.

Another big question is what we are supposed to learn. We all like different things and have different goals. The pedophile who manages to abuse hundreds of kids could say "boy I sure learned how to do it". He can be perfectly happy and content as we've unfortunately seen many times. That guy whose video I will not name because it's horrific and triggering lived very well until 70+ or so. Wealthy even. He was living his dream.

With no word from "God" whatsoever. God just watched the sick bastard.


Not to mention the view of those abused children: What are they supposed to learn? That existence is suffering and pain without escape?

Or even random catastrophes like fires. Kids burning alive will hardly learn anything other than fire hurts and God hates them.

That is the beauty of it. We are all one. And we are all here with our own unique purpose and our own goals. There are good souls, evil souls, and neutral souls that fight both sides. Everyone has their own test, their own lessons to be learned. When bad things happen to you, you can either ask yourself "Why is this happening to me?" or you can ask yourself "What is this trying to teach me?" "What can I learn from this?" You just have to find yourself and figure out your purpose. Make your own goals. Create your own reality, and learn along the way. Everything is meant to teach you something. There is something to be learned from every person who comes into your life, and anything that happens to you. You just have to be listening.

Pain is good. It teaches you things. It has a purpose. Without pain, no one would ever wake up.

The horrible people like pedophiles are out their living their dream, yes. Exactly. That's their reality. They have their own sense of purpose, whatever it is and as sick and twisted as it may be....that is them. They may see themselves as evil, or they may not see themselves as evil at all. In the end, every man judges himself. You are you. And I am I. Everything is balanced and connected.

"It seems a shame to have to sneak to get to the truth. To make the truth such a dirty old nasty thing. You've gotta sneak to get to the truth...the truth is condemned. The truth is in the gas chamber. The truth has been in your stockyards. Your slaughterhouses. The truth has been in your reservations, building your railroads, emptying your garbage. The truth is in your ghettos. In your jails. In your young love. Not in your courts or congress where the old set judgement on the young. What the hell do the old know about the young? They put a picture of old George on the dollar and tell you that he's your father, worship him. Look at the madness that goes on...you can't prove anything that happened yesterday. Now is the only thing that's real. Everyday, every reality is a new reality. Every new reality is a new horizon, a brand new experience of living. I got a note last night from a friend of mine. He writes in this note that he's afraid of what he might have to do in order to save his reality...as I save mine. You can't prove anything. There's nothing to prove. Every man judges himself. He knows what he is. You know what you are, as I know what I am. We all know what we are. Nobody can stand in judgement. They can play like they're standing in judgement. They can play like they stand in judgement and take you off and control the masses, with your human body. They can lock you up in penitentiaries and cages and put you on crosses like they did in the past, but it doesn't amount to anything. What they're doing is...they're only persecuting a reflection of themselves. They're persecuting what they can't stand to look at in themselves...the truth."

 

[creationisdeath]

>or you can ask yourself "What is this trying to teach me?" "What can I learn from this?"

as a reply to

>Not to mention the view of those abused children: What are they supposed to learn?
>Or even random catastrophes like fires. Kids burning alive

...

I'll leave this thread before I hang myself on the fucking doorknob and end up brain damaged.

 

[Dani Paradox]

>or you can ask yourself "What is this trying to teach me?" "What can I learn from this?"

as a reply to

>Not to mention the view of those abused children: What are they supposed to learn?
>Or even random catastrophes like fires. Kids burning alive

...

I'll leave this thread before I hang myself on the fucking doorknob and end up brain damaged.

Well, pain itself is meant to wake you up. I was abused as fuck growing up. I didn't get away from my mother until I was around 12 and a half. She was extremely physically and mentally abusive. She used to terrorize me every chance she got. In many ways, I was her prisoner. She used to beat me with curtain rods and vegetable cutting boards and anything else she could get her hands on. Literally over little things like a glass of spilt milk. If I was choking on a cookie and running to the sink for a glass of water, she would be screaming that I was getting crumbs on her rug. Yes, both of those things actually happened. Once I knocked into a table and a hot candle fell off and smashed on my head and all the hot wax went dripping down my face and I started screaming, and then she immediately started screaming at me that I broke her candle. She never cared about me at all from when I came out of the womb. I was never anything other than her little puppet that she could dress up in outfits and go around showing off how cute her little baby was. She used to leave me sleeping in piss because she didn't want to get up and change the sheets. My father was always my hero. She was the terrorist and he was the hero. Polar opposites. Anyway, the point that I'm trying to make is that I am grateful for all of it, because it made me the person that I am today. Pain wakes you up and teaches you things. Think of it like someone who is locked up as a prisoner for 10 or 20 years and then is finally free. The sun never felt so warm, that drink never tasted so good, music never sounded so amazing, that movie never seemed so funny, that breeze never felt so nice, everything never looked so beautiful... Pain wakes you up and teaches you things.

Kids burning alive? Well, you're getting a bit extreme now. But yeah, shit happens. Wrong place, wrong time.

 

[NemoZeno]

@Chinaski is making me a better person by introducing me to great writing.

Wikipedia links to one of many good free ebook sites. Format you prefer to read in at bottom.

 

[worldexploder]

I believe that since our house doesn't have a chimney, Santa shrinks himself down in order to fit inside our keyhole.

 

[Terminally drunk]

Yea they are real in your mind. Its called schizophrenia.

 

[Kooz]

Heaven and hell don't exist. Neither do demons.

They're just excuses to excercise control through fear. All you have is yourself and your thoughts. That's it. What your mind makes you hear or see is your only foundation for your belief's. That is the only existence we have. You take away the brain and you take away the person and their beliefs.

 

[Lra888]

Hell is just a man made threat.