Having second thoughts about SN

[hadenough]

So I decided a while ago that I would go with SN but the quarantine has put my plans on hold – I don't want to burden the already overstretched NHS and funeral services. During this time I have been thinking constantly about using SN but knowing I would not be able to do it with Covid 19 around. I've read all the usual guides to doing it here and they are all (unsurprisingly) very positive about SN. There is a confirmation bias in all the writings about SN. I have also been reading some other threads where people are less keen on SN and it has put some doubts in my mind.

I would like to hear the views of both people who are planning to use SN and those who would not use it and your reasoning behind your decision. What draws you to SN? What puts you off it? Why would you take it? Why wouldn't you take it? What would your method be? Thanks in advance.

 

[InTheAirTonight]

I don't like how varied the reports are. Hard to get reliable documentation on the effects

 

[hadenough]

I don't like how varied the reports are. Hard to get reliable documentation on the effects

Yes it seems that there is a lot of variation in reports on effects here, it seems to be an individual thing with some getting no side effects and others struggling with them.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I read all the SN information threads, and paid close attention to the success/failure anecdotal threads. I noted the frequency of reported symptoms, which ones were experienced the most and the least. I experimented with sea salt in water and journaled my symptoms in comparison to SN. The conclusion I came to is that SN is reported to be peaceful for a few but not for a majority, at least not what I consider peaceful, I would experience difficult symptoms, and if I had to, I could manage the symptoms for 20-40 minutes knowing that's about how long it would take. So it is my backup method. CO is my first choice, it is more peaceful but not as reliable. If it doesn't work, then I have SN as a backup.

 

[Notabadguy]

Yes it seems that there is a lot of variation in reports on effects here, it seems to be an individual thing with some getting no side effects and others struggling with them.

I'm in similiar place like you, the Rebreather is my chosen method, and SN my backup method. I didn't read anything about side effects if the person wasn't rescued. Did you read anything regarding side effects if the person wasn't rescued? I'm very interested.

 

[Aliali1992]

My story is like yours...first my thoughts were magical and i thought drinking, some discomfort und good night...as i dag deeper and read scientific papers i concluded it is probablly not peaceful ...still my choice cause way more peaceful than the available choices to me IF the symptoms were not long....if it worked, good. if the symptoms were too long and agonizing or some other painful event that was never mentioned before appeared i could in worst case call an ambulance and it will be reversible and i can then look for another method and that's why it is my choice for my would be first ever suicide attempt.

 

[hadenough]

I'm in similiar place like you, the Rebreather is my chosen method, and SN my backup method. I didn't read anything about side effects if the person wasn't rescued. Did you read anything regarding side effects if the person wasn't rescued? I'm very interested.

I put together a summary of successes and failures but cannot find the link because the search function is down. Typical side effects include nausea, headache, dizziness, disorientation, tachycardia, and a burning sensation. There is a lot more information from those who failed but those who were not rescued cited some of the above symptoms. For thse who were rescued they were aware of things for about an hour or so, so the quoted 10-20 minutes until loss of consciousness seems wrong. For those who were rescued I guess they could not deal with the side effects, which makes me wary of it. I can get anti emetics and antacids but not beta blockers and it is the tachycardia leading to possible panic that I am scared of. I don't want to fail or be committed to a psych ward.

 

[xBrialesana]

My only concern is reliatablity when it comes to a method. If done right, and you can tolerate it and don't call (unless of course you decide to!), and follow everything to a t, things should work out. I'm not worried for pain. I do have a generally weak stomach and gag reflex (I can't chug a beer for shit hardly!) so it concerns me that I will projectile vomit violently, so I'll be sure im alone. I'm taking all precautions.

Covid has affected everything especially especially in Los Angeles where it's so extreme. I'm just giving and waiting before my birthday in June
Edit: I've had everything ready and prepared since February, March 13 was my date, I dumped all my money into having a good week or two before ctb since I was going to be close to walking on crutches again, then the world shut down so I'm just here and broke as shit because I thought I was going to not be here in May. I just want my money back lol. Also Shit it's May lol

 

[Aliali1992]

This is the ground rule for SN...you need it to get Methhemoglobin more than 70% in blood in order to die and generally more than 50% to black out (of course there are cases who survived 83% and cases that died of much much less) so when will you reach this number and if you will ever reach it...depends on many factors...if you vomit or not...how fast your body absorbs it and how would your body react...so no unfortunately it is not set in stones that you will black out after 10-20 minutes

 

[hadenough]

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This is the ground rule for SN...you need it to get Methhemoglobin more than 70% in blood in order to die and generally more than 50% to black out (of course there are cases who survived 83% and cases that died of much much less) so when will you reach this number and if you will ever reach it...depends on many factors...if you vomit or not...how fast your body absorbs it and how would your body react...so no unfortunately it is not set in stones that you will black out after 10-20 minutes

Thanks for this, very interesting

 

[BizarreBazaar]

All the people who tried an failed for whatever reason said it was painless and they blacked out no later than 20-30 min. I'm going to take their word for it and not someone who hasn't tried it.

 

[hadenough]

All the people who tried an failed for whatever reason said it was painless and they blacked out no later than 20-30 min. I'm going to take their word for it and not someone who hasn't tried it.

Very true

 

[BizarreBazaar]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

 

[hadenough]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

Thanks

 

[Notabadguy]

All the people who tried an failed for whatever reason said it was painless and they blacked out no later than 20-30 min. I'm going to take their word for it and not someone who hasn't tried it.

Do you know any case of failure without being rescued? This is the key point with this method.

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

What draws you to SN?

The ease of obtaining it. Costs like $15 plus postage.

The ease of use. It's 25g in 50ml of water. Super easy. No chance of making a mistake if you follow the guide.

If failure occurs, for whatever reason, it's entirely reversible with no long term effects at all. Compare that with hanging or gunshot, and the lifelong consequences if not done correctly.

Sure SN can be a little discomforting for about 10 minutes, but to be at peace after 10 minutes of discomfort is a price I'm willing to pay.

 

[I screwed up]

I think what one must keep in mind is no method is 100% certain ( even gun shot , jumping or other violent means)... N or cyanide may be close to 100% but not easy for all to get their hands on. So I guess there is a balance to maintain between success rate, availability, comfort and ease of method ... Each of these factor again varies from person to person .. Also each one of us is built diff so our bodies would respond diff to any poison that enters it ... So I feel at best other peoples experience ( in success as well as failure) and their logic for choice of method at best can be taken as a broad ref point and not as definitive.

 

[hadenough]

Do you know any case of failure without being rescued? This is the key point with this method.

The following recovered without calling for help:

Dartz: fasted, benzos, blacked out for 2 hours, woke sweaty and confused/dizzy, blue around lips and fingers, vomiting blood, took more benzos and a line of cocaine, skept it off for a few hours, woke cold and shaking 6 hours later, seemed OK.

memento_mori: 15g, salty and sweet tasting, took a 5 to 6 sips, effects kicked in after 30-40 minutes, very dizzy ringing in ear, disoriented, mission aborted, it's really scary, started getting tunnel vision, shaky hands, breaking out in cold sweat, ears were getting numb with occasional ringing, my lips are turning pale and blue, forcing myself to throw up now, I didn't follow the regimen to a T but I had some pretty strong antiemetics though not dopamine blocker, also ate before as I was really hungry, not sure if I'd try this method again.

calavera: 20g in 1.5 litre water, 50mg quetiapine, woke after an hour and vomited mostly water, woke in the morning, next day took 20g sodium nitrate, didn't vomit, slept all day, woke with severe head pain, two days later felt fine but dizzy, unclear if took nitrite or nitrate

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal

 

[Notabadguy]

The following recovered without calling for help:

Dartz: fasted, benzos, blacked out for 2 hours, woke sweaty and confused/dizzy, blue around lips and fingers, vomiting blood, took more benzos and a line of cocaine, skept it off for a few hours, woke cold and shaking 6 hours later, seemed OK.

memento_mori: 15g, salty and sweet tasting, took a 5 to 6 sips, effects kicked in after 30-40 minutes, very dizzy ringing in ear, disoriented, mission aborted, it's really scary, started getting tunnel vision, shaky hands, breaking out in cold sweat, ears were getting numb with occasional ringing, my lips are turning pale and blue, forcing myself to throw up now, I didn't follow the regimen to a T but I had some pretty strong antiemetics though not dopamine blocker, also ate before as I was really hungry, not sure if I'd try this method again.

calavera: 20g in 1.5 litre water, 50mg quetiapine, woke after an hour and vomited mostly water, woke in the morning, next day took 20g sodium nitrate, didn't vomit, slept all day, woke with severe head pain, two days later felt fine but dizzy, unclear if took nitrite or nitrate

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal

Yes, it's scary, but it also has to be said that Memento, Calavera and Suicidal4Ever didn't follow the procedure.

 

[Borabora]

Hello everyone, just wish to share about SN in case anyone is interested:

 

[autumnal]

The following recovered without calling for help:

It should be pointed out that the following members essentially rescued themselves, by multiple failures to follow the SN protocol. I'm commenting only on the summaries as given here:

Dartz: fasted, benzos, blacked out for 2 hours, woke sweaty and confused/dizzy, blue around lips and fingers, vomiting blood, took more benzos and a line of cocaine, skept it off for a few hours, woke cold and shaking 6 hours later, seemed OK. No antiemetic. SN dose unclear. Took cocaine. ​

memento_mori: 15g, salty and sweet tasting, took a 5 to 6 sips, effects kicked in after 30-40 minutes, very dizzy ringing in ear, disoriented, mission aborted, it's really scary, started getting tunnel vision, shaky hands, breaking out in cold sweat, ears were getting numb with occasional ringing, my lips are turning pale and blue, forcing myself to throw up now, I didn't follow the regimen to a T but I had some pretty strong antiemetics though not dopamine blocker, also ate before as I was really hungry, not sure if I'd try this method again. Dose of SN too small and implies did not take all of it. Inappropriate antiemetics. Failed to fast. ​

calavera: 20g in 1.5 litre water, 50mg quetiapine, woke after an hour and vomited mostly water, woke in the morning, next day took 20g sodium nitrate, didn't vomit, slept all day, woke with severe head pain, two days later felt fine but dizzy, unclear if took nitrite or nitrate Ridiculously excessive amount of water. Took second dose far too long after first. Not enough Quetiapine for antiemetic effect, additionally Quetiapine does not provide antiemetic effect if taken as a once-off (unclear if this was the case here). ​

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal No antiemetic, drank alcohol.​

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Hello everyone, just wish to share about SN in case anyone is interested:View attachment 34112View attachment 34113

This information is already clearly stated in the PPH anyway.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

It should be pointed out that the following members essentially rescued themselves, by multiple failures to follow the SN protocol. I'm commenting only on the summaries as given here:

Dartz: fasted, benzos, blacked out for 2 hours, woke sweaty and confused/dizzy, blue around lips and fingers, vomiting blood, took more benzos and a line of cocaine, skept it off for a few hours, woke cold and shaking 6 hours later, seemed OK. No antiemetic. SN dose unclear. Took cocaine.​

memento_mori: 15g, salty and sweet tasting, took a 5 to 6 sips, effects kicked in after 30-40 minutes, very dizzy ringing in ear, disoriented, mission aborted, it's really scary, started getting tunnel vision, shaky hands, breaking out in cold sweat, ears were getting numb with occasional ringing, my lips are turning pale and blue, forcing myself to throw up now, I didn't follow the regimen to a T but I had some pretty strong antiemetics though not dopamine blocker, also ate before as I was really hungry, not sure if I'd try this method again. Dose of SN too small and implies did not take all of it. Inappropriate antiemetics. Failed to fast.​

calavera: 20g in 1.5 litre water, 50mg quetiapine, woke after an hour and vomited mostly water, woke in the morning, next day took 20g sodium nitrate, didn't vomit, slept all day, woke with severe head pain, two days later felt fine but dizzy, unclear if took nitrite or nitrate Ridiculously excessive amount of water. Took second dose far too long after first. Not enough Quetiapine for antiemetic effect, additionally Quetiapine does not provide antiemetic effect if taken as a once-off (unclear if this was the case here).​

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal No antiemetic, drank alcohol.​

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This information is already clearly stated in the PPH anyway.

Suicidal4Ever also drank too much water.

 

[autumnal]

Suicidal4Ever also drank too much water.

Oh yes true, although compared to the guy who drank 1.5L it pales in comparison!

 

[hadenough]

It should be pointed out that the following members essentially rescued themselves, by multiple failures to follow the SN protocol. I'm commenting only on the summaries as given here:

Dartz: fasted, benzos, blacked out for 2 hours, woke sweaty and confused/dizzy, blue around lips and fingers, vomiting blood, took more benzos and a line of cocaine, skept it off for a few hours, woke cold and shaking 6 hours later, seemed OK. No antiemetic. SN dose unclear. Took cocaine.​

memento_mori: 15g, salty and sweet tasting, took a 5 to 6 sips, effects kicked in after 30-40 minutes, very dizzy ringing in ear, disoriented, mission aborted, it's really scary, started getting tunnel vision, shaky hands, breaking out in cold sweat, ears were getting numb with occasional ringing, my lips are turning pale and blue, forcing myself to throw up now, I didn't follow the regimen to a T but I had some pretty strong antiemetics though not dopamine blocker, also ate before as I was really hungry, not sure if I'd try this method again. Dose of SN too small and implies did not take all of it. Inappropriate antiemetics. Failed to fast.​

calavera: 20g in 1.5 litre water, 50mg quetiapine, woke after an hour and vomited mostly water, woke in the morning, next day took 20g sodium nitrate, didn't vomit, slept all day, woke with severe head pain, two days later felt fine but dizzy, unclear if took nitrite or nitrate Ridiculously excessive amount of water. Took second dose far too long after first. Not enough Quetiapine for antiemetic effect, additionally Quetiapine does not provide antiemetic effect if taken as a once-off (unclear if this was the case here).​

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal No antiemetic, drank alcohol.​

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This information is already clearly stated in the PPH anyway.

These are the only examples I could find of people recovering without calling emergency services but you are right, they didn't follow protocol. So would you choose SN given this evidence?

 

[BPD Barbie]

I have SN and got it because at the time it was easy to obtain in the UK, cheap and seemed relatively easy to use and quick to take effect. But I am considering other methods now.

 

[hadenough]

I have SN and got it because at the time it was easy to obtain in the UK, cheap and seemed relatively easy to use and quick to take effect. But I am considering other methods now.

What other methods are you considering? And what has put you off SN?

 

[BPD Barbie]

What other methods are you considering? And what has put you off SN?

I don't know what's put me off or changed my mind actually. But I have a lot of promethazine and heard that it's good for overdosing. Also been interested recently in charcoal.

 

[hadenough]

I don't know what's put me off or changed my mind actually. But I have a lot of promethazine and heard that it's good for overdosing. Also been interested recently in charcoal.

It seems that the side effects of promethazine overdose are similar to SN but it seems to take longer, but as I have some it's worth considering. I've also been considering CO or hanging.

 

[autumnal]

These are the only examples I could find of people recovering without calling emergency services but you are right, they didn't follow protocol. So would you choose SN given this evidence?

Yes definitely. Would prefer N, but it is very difficult (if not impossible) to get past customs here. Would prefer Fentanyl or even heroin, but don't know any local dealers, find Darknet markets very confusing and again the customs issue for international sources.

SN isn't perfect, nor does it claim to be, but it is a good compromise between peacefulness and availability. When I consider the mass of pain, frustration and failure involved in other methods I have considered or tried, SN really feels like a blessing.

 

[Seagirl]

I don't like how varied the reports are. Hard to get reliable documentation on the effects

Agree. I thought it sounded great, then the reports came in.