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bugfart

bugfart

12x mental hospital stays
May 21, 2023
35
I've come across a lot of individuals both irl, on this site, online friends, etc, who have the mindset that because they are suicidal they are entitled to do absolutely nothing. They claim suicidal ideation and use it as a crutch. Go to college or trade school or get a job when I'm fully capable of doing so and actually have aptitude in that area? "No thanks I'm suicidal I just can't do anything, and I also can't do anything right :((".

I know someone in particular who knows all the fundamentals of electricity, electrical math (which is hard), repairs his own electrical problems and his neighbors, can build things and tinker with things and put them back together, pick locks, hot wire things, hunt, butcher, you name it. He's extremely gifted. He instead opts to treat everyone in his life terribly and leech off of everything including me, and claims he is too suicidal to do anything. He has a domestic violence record and thinks his mental illness entitled him fists to use on a woman.

I also know people who have neglected animals to the point of death online and in person. They usually feel guilty which is a start, but they keep getting animals. They keep letting them make messes inside the house, don't clean litter boxes and let ammonia and filth build up from that, can't be bothered to feed their animals or give them water, don't let their dog outside, couldn't be roused from bed for any emergency or their pets need to use the restroom. And they think they are entitled to an animal for "emotional support". Guilt or acknowledging your problems is a start, but it does not erase your own poor choices or the death/ neglect of an innocent creature.

My family has alot of animals, but personally at college I do not have one in my dorm. I visit home sometimes. I have hypersomnia. Even when left completely alone at home for days or weeks I wake up to let my dogs out, feed them twice a day, have set times to let them out, give them attention, involve them in my life. I wake up early to feed chickens and goats and then I go back and take a nap when life permits me to. There is absolutely no excuse.

I'm on and off with a guy who sees all people who work or go to college as "capitalist pigs" but he depends on his mother and me and housing from the state, and would prefer to donate plasma or turn out drugs/tricks instead of any gainful employment. (He's the same guy I mentioned in the earlier paragraph). He is not grateful for my money. I give him 10 dollars and he asks where the rest of it is. I gave him all the resources to get help including disability funds or vocational rehab and he refused.

A lot of people glorify a neet lifestyle or begrudge working or hate the economic state of the world but it's not like I want to work either. Not many people genuinely do. Life is not an advertisement or hallmark movie no matter how happy other people seem to be. There is no excuse for leeching off of people or extorting them for money whilst treating them badly. If you had severe autism, or Down syndrome, or catatonic schizophrenia to where you were completely unaware of your actions and their consequences, I feel like that could be an excuse. But many people are fully capable of working or making meaningful change but refuse and mistreat others in their wake.

I feel even worse for the children of these sorts of people. I was treated poorly by my father, he is one of those types that refuses to work or do much of anything. He neglects his cat. He refused to see me a lot growing up and he'd get so frustrated he had me over at his place that sometimes he'd yell at me if I came out of my room. He did attempt suicide and got mental treatment- but has still never taken accountability or improved his life. Real harm has been done to me and his cat and my bio mother. There is no effort there to mend these relationships or problems due to the crutch of "I'm mentally ill" "I'm suicidal".

There's a lot of people on this earth who died mentally many years ago and they make it everyone else's problem. They mistreat others and have such a strong sense of entitlement, they believe their own issues are the most severe and important, that nobody else has ever suffered, and that nobody can ever understand. That is simply not true. There are many deeply miserable people who still work, who don't bully or mistreat or neglect people and animals, who do what is needed of them.

I know nobody asked to be born. I didn't ask to be born either. But do I sit on my behind all day miserable about it instead of making any change or take it out on other people? No. I'm at college and I literally have a noose already tied hidden in my closet in a box. I am functionally disabled by a couple things I've got going on. I've been through alot. I still show up to class and pull my weight. I still care for my family and my animals. I treat my friends well to the best of my ability. I treat anyone I date to the best of my ability.

I read a quote that really defined how I felt about this topic and James Baldwin said it:
I can only tell you about yourself as much as I can face about myself. And this has happened to everybody who's tried to live. You go through life for a long time thinking, No one has ever suffered the way I've suffered, my God, my God. And then you realize -- You read something or you hear something, and you realize that your suffering does not isolate you; your suffering is your bridge. Many people have suffered before you, many people are suffering around you and always will, and all you can do is bring, hopefully, a little light into that suffering. Enough light so that the person who is suffering can begin to comprehend his suffering and begin to live with it and begin to change it, change the situation. We don't change anything; all we can do is invest people with the morale to change it for themselves.
 
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U. A.

U. A.

Some day the dream will end
Aug 8, 2022
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Shitstorm incoming in 3...2...
 
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Macedonian1987

Macedonian1987

Just a sad guy from Macedonia.
Oct 22, 2025
412
The only thing i neglected because of my plans to ctb soon is my appereance. I dont have the need to look atractive for anyone anymore. I dont have any pets, but i ocasionally give food to some stray dogs. This brings me happiness when im sad.
 
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human-person

human-person

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Nov 18, 2025
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My dog is the entire reason I get out of bed since days. I got him to help my mental health because I could never neglect an animal the way I do myself.

When he needs to go out, I also have to go get fresh air and see life exists. When he needs a bath, I get so wet that I might as well shower too. When he needs to be fed, I can eat a bit along side him.

Anyone that neglects an animal like that doesn't deserve an animal.
 
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bugfart

bugfart

12x mental hospital stays
May 21, 2023
35
The only thing i neglected because of my plans to ctb soon is my appereance. I dont have the need to look atractive for anyone anymore. I dont have any pets, but i ocasionally give food to some stray dogs. This brings me happiness when im sad.
Appearance is ok. I wear comfy clothes and I don't buy into needing to consume for insecurities (shaving, painting nails, makeup, extensive hair stuff). I think at some point if you are getting fungal infections from not washing or stinking to the point nobody can be around you then that is potentially a social issue, but beyond that courtesy of not being biohazardous if in public (by choice) appearance is fine to not care about. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it. I think you are doing just fine. And it's good you give food to stray dogs, stray dogs love tuna especially.
My dog is the entire reason I get out of bed since days. I got him to help my mental health because I could never neglect an animal the way I do myself.

When he needs to go out, I also have to go get fresh air and see life exists. When he needs a bath, I get so wet that I might as well shower too. When he needs to be fed, I can eat a bit along side him.

Anyone that neglects an animal like that doesn't deserve an animal.

My dogs bring me purpose too when I'm with them. I also only get out of bed because of them. I'd sleep until 3 if I was alone, which I often do in my dorm, but at home I rise with the chickens and take care of everything. I've experienced all that you've said, eating alongside them and bathing alongside them. I think a healthy force of responsibility is needed and good for a lot of depressed people. Some people I've had the misfortune of coming across do not deserve animals however because their mentality is so careless though.
 
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Namelesa

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Sep 21, 2024
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I would would definitely say there is little to no excuse for treating people who done nothing wrong to you or animals and pets poorly cus of suicidalness but I would say its a valid excuse not to work if you have no other responsibilities such as to take care of pets or children, especially as recovery or suicide are both incredibly difficult and its unfair to force people into something that can make them more miserable just to live comfortable when there is hardly any help for recovery or suicide.
 
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NormallyNeurotic

NormallyNeurotic

Everything is going to be okay ⋅ he/him
Nov 21, 2024
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I would would definitely say there is little to no excuse for treating people who done nothing wrong to you or animals and pets poorly cus of suicidalness but I would say its a valid excuse not to work if you have no other responsibilities such as to take care of pets or children, especially as recovery or suicide are both incredibly difficult and its unfair to force people into something that can make them more miserable just to live comfortable when there is hardly any help for recovery or suicide.
Thanks, I was trying to convey this but you did it better <3

Like not disagreeing with this thread, but I do find it kinda funny how out of place the discussion regarding work and schooling sounds compared to the other examples of literal animal/domestic abusers.
 
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Jadeith

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Jan 14, 2025
477
Actually, duties towards others like parents, offspring, partner (do not have any pets atm) - that's the main thing that keeps me here. As soon as i'm no longer needed or unable to adequately perform my duties, i'm gone.
 
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bugfart

bugfart

12x mental hospital stays
May 21, 2023
35
Thanks, I was trying to convey this but you did it better <3

Like not disagreeing with this thread, but I do find it kinda funny how out of place the discussion regarding work and schooling sounds compared to the other examples of literal animal/domestic abusers.
I meant moreso to convey that animals, children, and life, needs money. And that nobody really does want to work, but to let responsibilities slip by hurts other people. For example needing to use other people and manipulate people for money even if you are capable of working. I used some examples of my dad and my ex. And I don't mean disabled people or genuinely completely devastated suicidal people in my post. I fully support disabled people getting checks and housing, and depression can reach disability levels. I'm talking about people who when confronted about any wrong doing or any flaw bring up SI or depression as an excuse, and are fully capable of doing the care and work they should be doing but refuse to. It is a manipulation tactic used by a lot of abusers to fake suicidality or weaponize it.
Actually, duties towards others like parents, offspring, partner (do not have any pets atm) - that's the main thing that keeps me here. As soon as i'm no longer needed or unable to adequately perform my duties, i'm gone.
I feel the same way.
 
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Macedonian1987

Macedonian1987

Just a sad guy from Macedonia.
Oct 22, 2025
412
Appearance is ok. I wear comfy clothes and I don't buy into needing to consume for insecurities (shaving, painting nails, makeup, extensive hair stuff). I think at some point if you are getting fungal infections from not washing or stinking to the point nobody can be around you then that is potentially a social issue, but beyond that courtesy of not being biohazardous if in public (by choice) appearance is fine to not care about. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it. I think you are doing just fine. And it's good you give food to stray dogs, stray dogs love tuna especially.


My dogs bring me purpose too when I'm with them. I also only get out of bed because of them. I'd sleep until 3 if I was alone, which I often do in my dorm, but at home I rise with the chickens and take care of everything. I've experienced all that you've said, eating alongside them and bathing alongside them. I think a healthy force of responsibility is needed and good for a lot of depressed people. Some people I've had the misfortune of coming across do not deserve animals however because their mentality is so careless though.
I stopped caring for my appearance but I never stopped caring about my personal hygiene. I just stopped having a fancy haircuts, putting hair gel on my hair that sort of nonsence. As for my hygiene i wash with the same frequency as before. I shave less frequently too. I used to shave every 4-5 days now i shave every 2 weeks.
 
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martyrdom

martyrdom

inanimate object
Nov 3, 2025
106
Those "anti-capitalists" who talk about all that are funny because they clearly haven't read any anti-capitalist theory or have any vision of how an anti-capitalist, socialist, anarchist or communist society would actually function in practice. Work is still a part of it, it'd just be humane and reasonable, not what it is now. What a lot of these people actually want isn't socialism/anarchism/communism, it's a society with a slave caste that does all the work while they lounge around (ie. what we actually have right now). If you reintroduced slavery with progressive enough talking points they'd probably get behind it.

And I say this as someone whose functioning is too bad to be able to work or take part in society in any meaningful way. I can't work anymore because I have traumatic mutism and I cannot be in the presence of other people without regressing to a complete loss of my mental and physical faculties. I did spend 2 months actually, clinically catatonic, and part of my exit plan involves ensuring my family runs out of money (ie. my own savings from my old job) and makes it impossible for them to continue taking care of me. It's very obvious that you aren't talking about people like me and it's disingenuous for anyone to pretend otherwise.
 
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