Giving yourself an aneurism

[Breakout92]

I've been thinking about ways in which I could CTB in a way that would be identified as an unfortunate medical incident. I think for my siblings having their brother die from suicide would be much more devastating than having me die from something "natural". I already have my chosen method and a backup in place, but I'm still thinking about something like this.

Aneurysms are places along the blood vessels (veins or arteries) which get stretched out and fill with blood. Something like 2-5% of people have one latent in their brain. It's possible for the aneurysm to rupture, which causes internal brain bleeding. Around 50% of people with a ruptured aneurysm survive - but that requires treatment, so if it bursts while you're away from people it's not likely to survive.

Aneurysm risk factors are hypertension, or high blood pressure. So people who smoke, drink coffee, etc. often are more likely to have one. Sudden changes in blood pressure are thought to cause the aneurysm to rupture.

The main symptom when the aneurysm bursts is an intense headache, and sometimes nausea. Before it bursts, they are completely asymptomatic. Aneurysms can affect people of all ages, though they are more common in seniors.

I am wondering how possible it might be to develop an aneurysm in a short span of time by trying to increase blood pressure in the head. If you frequently cut off circulation from the jugular veins and let pressure build up in your head and then let it relax, it would make sense to me that this would increase risk of developing and probably also increase the risk of bursting a brain aneurysm if one is already there.

Possibly also hanging your head upside down for extended periods to increase pressure and allowing the blood to pool should also increase the risk factor.

Other things might be nutrient deficiencies (B12 and D), high sodium diet to increase blood pressure, taking up smoking.

 

[Swampy]

This seems very unreliable. You'll likely to just reduce your health and make life even worse. I think it would be easier to make a CTB look like an accident than this.

 

[WornOutLife]

Sorry but I think this is a bad idea. As @Swampy said, even making a CTB look like an accident is easier.

 

[Breakout92]

This seems very unreliable. You'll likely to just reduce your health and make life even worse. I think it would be easier to make a CTB look like an accident than this.

Sorry but I think this is a bad idea. As @Swampy said, even making a CTB look like an accident is easier.

Unfortunately the methods that I have in mind aren't ones that can easily look like an accident (exit bag, or SN). I have a few months before I plan to CTB as well anyway. It being unreliable isn't that big of a deal because if it doesn't work by then I still have my primary methods.

I already struggle with my health so I'm not too worried about making it worse. Besides, an aneurysm itself is asymptomatic so if I avoid the sources that cause general health problems (mainly Smoking) I should be not see any health impacts.

 

[Symbiote]

Been trying to give myself an aneurysm for years or at least blunt force head trauma with brain bleeding, but my head is too damn strong and/or I end up with concussions.

 

[Buffy5120]

Dont

 

[quicksand]

There's a thread on here started by an anti-vaxxer that almost gave me an aneurism, you should try there.

 

[rs929]

But an aneurysm bursting doesn't necessarily means you die, you might end up brain damaged.
Also I don't know if you can make yourself any kind of damage by compressing the jugulars. I thought you could but other ppl say you don't. @Aap

 

[Breakout92]

But an aneurysm bursting doesn't necessarily means you die, you might end up brain damaged.
Also I don't know if you can make yourself any kind of damage by compressing the jugulars. I thought you could but other ppl say you don't. @Aap

You're right that it's not a guaranteed death, but I believe it requires being rapidly found and treated in order to survive.

I found this article with this quote:

'How the pressure is applied'

Domestic violence police reports can be disturbing, if not predictable. In Allen County, a domestic battery charge is often filed with one for strangulation, as it was in nearly half the...

apnews.com

Strangulation can cause maladies such as tinnitus, memory problems, early-onset dementia, personality changes, an inability to perform cognitive functions that could be related to your job, besides aneurysms and strokes, Smock said

So I think it is possible for jugular compression to result in aneurysm - Besides the tinnitus, the other problems seem like they would be caused by the hypoxia that goes with strangulation, so I won't be worried if you don't cut off the jugulars for more than a few seconds at a time.

 

[rs929]

You're right that it's not a guaranteed death, but I believe it requires being rapidly found and treated in order to survive.

I found this article with this quote:

'How the pressure is applied'

Domestic violence police reports can be disturbing, if not predictable. In Allen County, a domestic battery charge is often filed with one for strangulation, as it was in nearly half the...

apnews.com

So I think it is possible for jugular compression to result in aneurysm - Besides the tinnitus, the other problems seem like they would be caused by the hypoxia that goes with strangulation, so I won't be worried if you don't cut off the jugulars for more than a few seconds at a time.

Yes it has been reported here - permanent tinnitus after attempting partial and in 1 case it seems they didn't even loss consciousness. I have no idea what is the mechanism causing it.

I've been researching on this and if you don't lose consciousness it doesn't seem possible that you damage yourself from hypoxia. It seems that minutes, not seconds, are required for neurons to start dying from oxygen deprivation

It seems possible that you, however, do yourself some damage from the pressure that builds up on your head by blocking the jugulars and not the carotids. @Thanatonaut explained it here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/partial-hanging-brain-damage.56741/

Other people told me blood chokes are done all the times in BJJ and nothing happens

So I guess we kind of need a doctor to explain what kind of damage you can do your brain by blocking the jugulars and letting the pressure build up.

 

[Breakout92]

Yes it has been reported here - permanent tinnitus after attempting partial and in 1 case it seems they didn't even loss consciousness. I have no idea what is the mechanism causing it.

I've been researching on this and if you don't lose consciousness it doesn't seem possible that you damage yourself from hypoxia. It seems that minutes, not seconds, are required for neurons to start dying from oxygen deprivation

It seems possible that you, however, do yourself some damage from the pressure that builds up on your head by blocking the jugulars and not the carotids. @Thanatonaut explained it here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/partial-hanging-brain-damage.56741/

Other people told me blood chokes are done all the times in BJJ and nothing happens

So I guess we kind of need a doctor to explain what kind of damage you can do your brain by blocking the jugulars and letting the pressure build up.

I already have tinnitus and can't imagine it'll get much worse than it already is. I also have survived a partial and seem to have no permanent damage despite having briefly lost consciousness.

Other people told me blood chokes are done all the times in BJJ and nothing happens

That's what people say, but I don't know how much I believe it. However those kinds of chokes also cut off the carotid artery, which means no pressure build up around the brain. So it would probably not cause these kinds of issues.

I'll take a look through that thread you linked.

 

[Spitfire]

Lol,

I mean it is possible...

 

[LifeQuitter2018]

I would rather die due to heart problem.

I heard that if you drink a lot of caffein energy drink everyday, the change of death due to cardiac arrest is high.

 

[rs929]

Any further research of this? I don't think it's a good idea as a method but I was interested for a while about possible consequences due to jugular compression

 

[Spitfire]

I do not think anyone is saying it is common, or thinking it is all too likely to cause brain damage normally.. or a bursted aneurysm, are they?

 

[the_final_countdown]

Been trying to give myself an aneurysm for years or at least blunt force head trauma with brain bleeding, but my head is too damn strong and/or I end up with concussions.

You took sodium nitrite once, right?

Did it cause long term problems?

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Everytime I have to see East enders, naked attraction, I'm a celebrity get me out of here, or other mumsnet daytime TV cringe fests, I can feel the annuerism coming.

 

[Spitfire]

Yes it has been reported here - permanent tinnitus after attempting partial and in 1 case it seems they didn't even loss consciousness. I have no idea what is the mechanism causing it.

I've been researching on this and if you don't lose consciousness it doesn't seem possible that you damage yourself from hypoxia. It seems that minutes, not seconds, are required for neurons to start dying from oxygen deprivation

It seems possible that you, however, do yourself some damage from the pressure that builds up on your head by blocking the jugulars and not the carotids. @Thanatonaut explained it here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/partial-hanging-brain-damage.56741/

Other people told me blood chokes are done all the times in BJJ and nothing happens

So I guess we kind of need a doctor to explain what kind of damage you can do your brain by blocking the jugulars and letting the pressure build up.

The mechanisms and morphology appear to me to seem to make it possible.

Here is a copy and paste below from an article that may apply, if not seen?

(copied and pasted):
There has been to date no case report in the literature of neurosurgery and forensic medicine about development of ICH in victim surviving hanging. We report this case to bring this rare presentation of hanging resulting in ICH and later on uneventful recovery without any neurological deficit.

Conclusion: The various manifestations of hanging have been described in literature such as anoxic edema, hypoxic, encephalopathy, venous brain congestion. Occurrence of ICH after hanging should be kept in mind especially in those not gaining consciousness on time or showing focal neurological deficits. Timely diagnosis and intervention can be life saving in these patients (and copy and paste)

I am thinking of something else specific too? I can not remember it?

It is not a very common thing to have happen, but I think it could probably increase the risk.. of having prolonged sudden increased intracranial pressure, and less of an impossibility, for those who have it when they are practicing partial?

If any of that makes sense? My brain feels fried.

 

[Symbiote]

You took sodium nitrite once, right?

Did it cause long term problems?

Cardiovascular issues, left me with an irregular heart beat, but that was only because the administration of Methylene Blue was done incorrectly, not because of SN.

 

[Spitfire]

I remember it now, it was Carotid Sinus Hypersensitivity Reaction (CSHR) was what I was thinking about in the above post.

If someone were practicing partial and they have the ticklish blood vessels.. I think a person could faint or pass out into a ligature incorrectly to cause a sudden rise of ICP blocking off the jugulars but leaving the carotids largely unobstructed.. for a longer duration of time than what normally would be able to endure when practicing partial.. when they are still remaining consciously aware and reactive to their surroundings.

If a person has aged and/or weaker blood vessels or a badly placed malformation....

A little more copy and paste from out of another article;

(copy and paste):
A subarachnoid hemorrhage is an atypical complication by suicidal hanging. We report a case of a female patient who presented to an emergency department with altered mental status after attempting suicide by incomplete hanging. The patient was diagnosed with a non-aneurysmal and non-traumatic subarachnoid hemorrhage. This case shows that spontaneous subarachnoid hemorrhage can develop due to a sudden elevation of intracranial pressure, as occurs with hanging. (end copy and paste)

 

[rs929]

I remember it now, it was Carotid Sinus Hypersensitivity Reaction (CSHR) was what I was thinking about in the above post.

If someone were practicing partial and they have the ticklish blood vessels.. I think a person could faint or pass out into a ligature incorrectly to cause a sudden rise of ICP blocking off the jugulars but leaving the carotids largely unobstructed.. for a longer duration of time than what normally would be able to endure when practicing partial.. when they are still remaining consciously aware and reactive to their surroundings.

If a person has aged and/or weaker blood vessels or a badly placed malformation....

A little more copy and paste from out of another article;

(copy and paste):
A subarachnoid hemorrhage is an atypical complication by suicidal hanging. We report a case of a female patient who presented to an emergency department with altered mental status after attempting suicide by incomplete hanging. The patient was diagnosed with a non-aneurysmal and non-traumatic subarachnoid hemorrhage. This case shows that spontaneous subarachnoid hemorrhage can develop due to a sudden elevation of intracranial pressure, as occurs with hanging. (end copy and paste)

Link?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

There's a thread on here started by an anti-vaxxer that almost gave me an aneurism, you should try there.

 

[Spitfire]

Link?

It may be located within,

The archives of scholarly articles for Clinical and Experimental Emergency Medicine.

It cost money and I do not remember which year or volume it was in? I had the copy and paste's saved on my clipboard I got from back at the time when you and I were previously discussing this concern of yours.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I had worked on a theoretical method that can theoretically induce a subarachnoid hemorrhage. It involves a technique that triggers the release of adrenaline through breathing, vertebral artery compression, and other mechanisms I'm not fully aware of. That technique alone doesn't kill you. It just brings your heart rate and blood pressure up to perhaps no end or until you feel dizzy. What does is the final trigger sequence you perform while your adrenaline is at its peak called the valsalva maneuver.

I've experimented with it a few times (not all out), and it was enough to give me a severe headache of sudden onset. So, I think if one were to go all out in performing the technique, and doing the VM, you'll very much likely trigger it. No drugs are involved, perhaps except a simple histamine blocker as an antiemetic.

That said, doing this will be risky as subarachnoid hemorrhage will likely fuck up your brain if you survive.

 

[rs929]

I still want to know what happens if you compress your jugulars but not your carotid during certain amount of time. Wish we had a doctor here.

 

[Breakout92]

I still want to know what happens if you compress your jugulars but not your carotid during certain amount of time. Wish we had a doctor here.

It hurts a lot. That's my only experience from jugular compression for more than a few seconds. I'm sure there may be more going on internally, but I haven't found any proof.

 

[signifying nothing]

I still want to know what happens if you compress your jugulars but not your carotid during certain amount of time. Wish we had a doctor here.

The jugular is a vein - it's carrying blood coming from the head back towards the heart. So if you compress the jugular veins, but not the carotid arteries, blood will start building up in your head.

You can imagine how that might feel - similar to hanging upside down or standing on your head only worse.

 

[rs929]

The jugular is a vein - it's carrying blood coming from the head back towards the heart. So if you compress the jugular veins, but not the carotid arteries, blood will start building up in your head.

You can imagine how that might feel - similar to hanging upside down or standing on your head only worse.

I did experience that in my partial attempts. It is my understanding that the brain has other ways to let the blood out besides the jugular

 

[signifying nothing]

I did experience that in my partial attempts. It is my understanding that the brain has other ways to let the blood out besides the jugular

A quick search will show you the key blood vessels in the neck. The jugulars are the largest, but not the only veins.

 

[rs929]

A quick search will show you the key blood vessels in the neck. The jugulars are the largest, but not the only veins.

Interesting. So it is my understanding that you would have to compress all that veins for a long time in order to screw something permanently with your brain right?