From nothing into something

[UmbraDweller]

If the nothing we experienced before becoming something is same as the nothing we return into after death, why do we so easily assume that we won't be dragged from this nothing back into something again and that it will be eternal nothing this time?


My brain feels funny after writing that.

 

[BardBarrie]

If the nothing we experienced before becoming something is same as the nothing we return into after death, why do we so easily assume that we won't be dragged from this nothing back into something again and that it will be eternal nothing this time?


My brain feels funny after writing that.

Admittedly that is a worry of mine too: go through all the suffering of this life and suicide just to end up piloting another meat sack back in this reality.
Even scarier is the whole "not knowing the past life" part, meaning we could be trapped in this cycle without any real hope of realising nor breaking it.

Truth is no-one knows what happens, so I guess one may as well just pick a beneficial belief and go with it.

I'd be lying if I said I myself don't hold some irrational and selfish beliefs as to what comes next, in order to help me cope.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

There's no evidence or proof of any of that.

What there is massive evidence for is that any thinking , suffering of pain. consciousness etc is generated only by the brain.

they 've observed many people who had parts of the brain damaged and done many experiments with animals, mri-s and other technology to determine all thinking is generated by the brain .

once my brain dies this simulation this first person perspective illusion will no longer run . this simulation runs only on my brain . once my brain dies it will never run again. I'm just a bug , a fish , a mouse. who cares if a bug dies and that it will live again, same thing with me. The software simulation is similar to a first person shooter video game that is virtual reality VR.

it is known what a human is an animal. hundreds of years of science , cell biology, nueroscience , biology , evolution show that a human is just another animal.

read a book on neuroscience ,brain science, evolution, molecular cell biology. that's all we are cells , a machine. you are a machine that thinks it's you. ai will surpass the human brain in all aspects soon.

imo all this bs about afterlives , reincarnation , rebirth, multiverses , universe is computer simulation, ghosts, gods, religions , magic etc is crap humans made up . and that there is absolotely zero evidence for . that is zero evidence with all the technology , video cameras etc

 

[Forever Sleep]

Sure, I suppose it could be possible. But, how many of us remember the somethings's before all those other nothing periods? ie. these supposed past lives. Out of billions and billions of lives lived, most people don't seem to remember past lives.

So- logically speaking- either that's because we don't have them or- our memories and any trace of them in our consciousness is erased each time we are born. So- why worry about something you won't probably even be aware of- even if it does happen? Is it all your past lives that are troubling you now, or the one you have at the moment?

Still, I suppose- if this truly is a genuine concern of yours- you could look into religions that promote these ideas because they also seem to suggest how to end the loop. I don't think you're allowed to kill yourself though for one.

 

[UmbraDweller]

Sure, I suppose it could be possible. But, how many of us remember the somethings's before all those other nothing periods? ie. these supposed past lives. Out of billions and billions of lives lived, most people don't seem to remember past lives.

So- logically speaking- either that's because we don't have them or- our memories and any trace of them in our consciousness is erased each time we are born. So- why worry about something you won't probably even be aware of- even if it does happen? Is it all your past lives that are troubling you now, or the one you have at the moment?

Still, I suppose- if this truly is a genuine concern of yours- you could look into religions that promote these ideas because they also seem to suggest how to end the loop. I don't think you're allowed to kill yourself though for one.

My past lifes are not troubling me, but the idea of having more of them does. If I get dragged back into existence repeatedly I won't be aware of it, sure, but I don't entirely agree that it's nothing to worry about, because I won't solve the issue by ending one life time. On the other hand though, what is there really that can be done about this if it trully is a neverending loop. It would probably be same impossibility as changing laws of physics. So yeah, I shouldn't care and be at peace with this possibility.
You are right that there are religions looking into this but let's face it, it's mostly fairy tales made up by other people who also have no damn clue what's going on and I wouldn't trust any of it. Also this entire idea of not being allowed to kill ourselfs by religions is nonsensical to me. Nature doesn't differentiate between deaths, there's nothing like good or evil one, it's all death and it doesn't matter how it happens. If suicidal person accidentally falls from building would they still end up in hell for having suicidal thoughts alone? These moral concepts are working only in human realm and it's just made up rules we use to build everything around it.
I rather choose to believe my own observations as @BardBarrie said, truth will always be that we know shit and it's better to choose our own beliefs which benefit us. Because those who make religions are not any different from what I'm already doing I guess, making up theories and choosing to believe them. And all that there is for science to say is, dead brain = no consciousness.

 

[Csmith8827]

If the nothing we experienced before becoming something is same as the nothing we return into after death, why do we so easily assume that we won't be dragged from this nothing back into something again and that it will be eternal nothing this time?


My brain feels funny after writing that.

I used to think about this very thing when I was younger. It's kinda mind boggling but I think the question is, is it worth it to end the suffering of this reality regardless if there's another afterwards or not? Like...has this experience/existence gotten so bad that it's worth ending... even if only to reroll the dice and be forced into another existence. The answer is up to you and only you can answer that question.

 

[UmbraDweller]

I used to think about this very thing when I was younger. It's kinda mind boggling but I think the question is, is it worth it to end the suffering of this reality regardless if there's another afterwards or not? Like...has this experience/existence gotten so bad that it's worth ending... even if only to reroll the dice and be forced into another existence. The answer is up to you and only you can answer that question.

If we reroll the dice and get born into worse life than the one we had previously, it might not be worth it. But thinking of it, it all comes back to this: it would happen anyway with inevitable death + we won't remember what we lost and have no regrets.