Method For those who have attempted ctb with nitrogen

[lmon]

Does passing out on Nitrogen feel like going to sleep with Anesthesia?

 

[mandyjohnuk]

From what I can gather it's more quicker. You know when Anesthesia us coming but with Nitrogen you won't know of the effects as it's so quick. You'll only know if your saved and you wake up.

 

[its-about-time]

From what I can gather it's more quicker. You know when Anesthesia us coming but with Nitrogen you won't know of the effects as it's so quick. You'll only know if your saved and you wake up.

It'd suck to be saved. With nitrogen I mean. Huge consequences unless you were saved like… IMMEDIATELY.

I have been committed to SN and it's what I have set up but I'm kinda wishing I'd finished setting up nitrogen. I have the bag prepared but didn't buy the regulator or nitrogen because I then decided on SN. Nitrogen js just so much faster to lose consciousness.

 

[lmon]

It'd suck to be saved. With nitrogen I mean. Huge consequences unless you were saved like… IMMEDIATELY.

I have been committed to SN and it's what I have set up but I'm kinda wishing I'd finished setting up nitrogen. I have the bag prepared but didn't buy the regulator or nitrogen because I then decided on SN. Nitrogen js just so much faster to lose consciousness.

How long does it take with nitrogen? I heard of a person who passed out and woke up after the whole thing was over, apparently the gap around his neck was too big

 

[its-about-time]

How long does it take with nitrogen? I heard of a person who passed out and woke up after the whole thing was over, apparently the gap around his neck was too big

I'm no professional so I can only say what I've learned through research. If you do it correctly, as in no incorrect gap around the neck, you lose consciousness within several deep breaths (assuming you intentionally hyperventilate first). The sudden absence of oxygen causes rapid loss of consciousness then the bag does the rest by keeping out oxygen. I never could find a very specific definition for tightness of the bag which led me to abandon the method. If oxygen is able to come in, the band isn't tight enough, and you could very well survive but brain damage becomes very probable, the intensity depending on how loose the bag is (compared to what!). Too tight and you'll have carbon dioxide build up which will cause the feeling of suffocation and lead to either a horrible death or really just ripping the bag off without really willing to.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

As long as you can fit 2 fingers around the tightened area at neck level it will be fine. Before the bag is lowered make sure all of the air is pushed from the bag. Let it fill and then lower to your neck. Then take deep breaths. Unconscious within a few breaths and death within minutes although make sure your cylinder is big enough to last 30 minutes at your desired flow rate.

 

[Sunset Limited]

From what I can gather it's more quicker. You know when Anesthesia us coming but with Nitrogen you won't know of the effects as it's so quick. You'll only know if your saved and you wake up.

According to data from Dignitas, loss of consciousness occurs within 50 seconds.

 

[outrider567]

Does passing out on Nitrogen feel like going to sleep with Anesthesia?

Anesthesia I think is quicker but not by much--I did a practice run with Nitrogen to test the purity, with my oximeter on--Bag gets filled up at 15 liters per minute flow, takes about a minute--You take deep breaths to get the oxygen out of your lungs, your heart rate jumps--Then I put my head in the bag, holding the bottom with my hands, then 5 deep breaths of Nitrogen, slightly dizzy, took bag off, watched my oxygen plummet from 99 to 54 in just 30 seconds, quite easy and peaceful

How long does it take with nitrogen? I heard of a person who passed out and woke up after the whole thing was over, apparently the gap around his neck was too big

Takes about 30 to 40 seconds

I'm no professional so I can only say what I've learned through research. If you do it correctly, as in no incorrect gap around the neck, you lose consciousness within several deep breaths (assuming you intentionally hyperventilate first). The sudden absence of oxygen causes rapid loss of consciousness then the bag does the rest by keeping out oxygen. I never could find a very specific definition for tightness of the bag which led me to abandon the method. If oxygen is able to come in, the band isn't tight enough, and you could very well survive but brain damage becomes very probable, the intensity depending on how loose the bag is (compared to what!). Too tight and you'll have carbon dioxide build up which will cause the feeling of suffocation and lead to either a horrible death or really just ripping the bag off without really willing to.

Good point, you don't want it too loose--The exit bag megathread is still a bit confusing as to tightness--slip two fingers in, ?--But I got a child's terry cloth elastic headband that I think is just right--A book mentioned this using helium but I'm sure it works with nitrogen also--My Nitrogen tank is way bigger than suggested,3000 liters, 120 cu ft--You only need about 450 to 600 liters

 

[Deathinminutes]

As long as you can fit 2 fingers around the tightened area at neck level it will be fine. Before the bag is lowered make sure all of the air is pushed from the bag. Let it fill and then lower to your neck. Then take deep breaths. Unconscious within a few breaths and death within minutes although make sure your cylinder is big enough to last 30 minutes at your desired flow rate.

@mandyjohnuk Hi. Have you actually done practice runs yourself? Or is what you're saying just from info you've seemed to gather?
I have my nitrogen set up complete. However when I first heard of this I did practice runs with helium since we should all be aware now that it's diluted with oxygen. If only that were true lol. I still see people asking about He. Anyhow I definitely went under by my 3rd try. I didn't Hyperventilate prior as I wasn't aware of the technique yet. The bag was only held in place by my fingers not secured. Totally painless, didn't realize I went under until I woke up with a very giddy feeling.

 

[thedaywillcome]

I want to leave I cant anymore

 

[Justnotme]

Anesthesia I think is quicker but not by much--I did a practice run with Nitrogen to test the purity, with my oximeter on--Bag gets filled up at 15 liters per minute flow, takes about a minute--You take deep breaths to get the oxygen out of your lungs, your heart rate jumps--Then I put my head in the bag, holding the bottom with my hands, then 5 deep breaths of Nitrogen, slightly dizzy, took bag off, watched my oxygen plummet from 99 to 54 in just 30 seconds, quite easy and peaceful

Takes about 30 to 40 seconds

Good point, you don't want it too loose--The exit bag megathread is still a bit confusing as to tightness--slip two fingers in, ?--But I got a child's terry cloth elastic headband that I think is just right--A book mentioned this using helium but I'm sure it works with nitrogen also--My Nitrogen tank is way bigger than suggested,3000 liters, 120 cu ft--You only need about 450 to 600 liters

Hi! Tell me, please, what purity of nitrogen did you buy? How many decimal places are there? (99.99, 99.999, 99.994 and the like)? And tell me, please, how much did you buy a nitrogen reducer for? Do I need a special very expensive reducer specifically for high purity nitrogen or any other high purity inert gas? Is a regular editor suitable, and not exactly the one for high-purity gases?

 

[lmon]

Hi! Tell me, please, what purity of nitrogen did you buy? How many decimal places are there? (99.99, 99.999, 99.994 and the like)? And tell me, please, how much did you buy a nitrogen reducer for? Do I need a special very expensive reducer specifically for high purity nitrogen or any other high purity inert gas? Is a regular editor suitable, and not exactly the one for high-purity gases?

what are nitrogen reducers used for?

 

[mandyjohnuk]

what are nitrogen reducers used for?

It's just a regulator used to control pressure and flow. It's needed because you cannot just turn the cylinder on. Be very careful what you do ok.

 

[befree]

I recommend to use the Nitrogen / Helium method with diving equipment instead of exit bag.

Advantages:

No shortness of breath and no feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.

Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air (with oxygen and CO2).

No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.

No danger to other persons due to escaping gas. Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (seconds). Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.

I think the exit bag method is too risky. Too many mistakes can happen. If you survive, this can happen:

 

[mandyjohnuk]

I recommend to use the Nitrogen / Helium method with diving equipment instead of exit bag.

Advantages:

No shortness of breath and no feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.

Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air (with oxygen and CO2).

No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.

No danger to other persons due to escaping gas. Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (seconds). Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.

I think the exit bag method is too risky. Too many mistakes can happen. If you survive, this can happen:

I agree like many I suppose. But the price of the masks makes people attempt using the exit bag.

 

[befree]

The mask costs €120,-, regulator €180,- to 220,-, adapter €20,- , 5 liters helium 2.8 (purity 99,8%) in a refillable cylinder €200,-. This is what I paid.

 

[quix77]

I recommend to use the Nitrogen / Helium method with diving equipment instead of exit bag.

Advantages:

No shortness of breath and no feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.

Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air (with oxygen and CO2).

No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.

No danger to other persons due to escaping gas. Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (seconds). Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.

I think the exit bag method is too risky. Too many mistakes can happen. If you survive, this can happen:

Apparently there are two kinds of death - clinical death and biological death.

Clinical death is when you stop breathing and heart stops. Apparently - people can be resuscitated even several hours afterward.

Biological death is when decomposition has set in. There can be no recovery after this.

So - I guess if you are going out with N, SN or Nitrogen - it is really important not to to be discovered too soon.

Minimum 30 minutes, preferrably overnight (12 hours)

 

[mandyjohnuk]

The mask costs €120,-, regulator €180,- to 220,-, adapter €20,- , 5 liters helium 2.8 (purity 99,8%) in a refillable cylinder €200,-. This is what I paid.

That's an unbelievable price for a mask. Message me a link if you can.

 

[befree]

and heart stops. Apparently - people can be resuscitated even several hours afterward.

Don´t believe.

 

[quix77]

Don´t believe.

One source: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22154552

Quote -
"While 45 minutes is absolutely remarkable and a lot of people would have written her off, we now know there are people who have been brought back, three, four, five hours after they've died and have led remarkably good quality lives," says Dr Sam Parnia, the director of resuscitation research at Stony Brook University in New York.

I am not a medical expert, but there is plenty of literature out there. In fact there is one report of a survivor of N here, who was clinically dead for quite some time and was kept alive, comatose until she awoke.

Now - I am not a doctor or a medical expert of any kind. This is just what I read from various sources. Veracity is up to you to judge, but I kinda believe it if it is on bbc

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Your saying people have been brought back, three, four, five hours after they've died. Really.

 

[befree]

When brain cells are dead, you can't bring them back to life.

 

[outrider567]

Hi! Tell me, please, what purity of nitrogen did you buy? How many decimal places are there? (99.99, 99.999, 99.994 and the like)? And tell me, please, how much did you buy a nitrogen reducer for? Do I need a special very expensive reducer specifically for high purity nitrogen or any other high purity inert gas? Is a regular editor suitable, and not exactly the one for high-purity gases?

Doesn't matter--99% is fine--Nitrogen reducers/regulators are about 70 bucks, but you need a flowmeter attachment also, about $50 to keep the 15 liters per minute Nitrogen flowing--The MaxDog regulator, $330,from Australia(make sure its CGA-580 for US attachments),has the flowmeter already attached

Apparently there are two kinds of death - clinical death and biological death.

Clinical death is when you stop breathing and heart stops. Apparently - people can be resuscitated even several hours afterward.

Biological death is when decomposition has set in. There can be no recovery after this.

So - I guess if you are going out with N, SN or Nitrogen - it is really important not to to be discovered too soon.

Minimum 30 minutes, preferrably overnight (12 hours)

Agree--and there's no chance anyone will find me for days

 

[Justnotme]

Doesn't matter--99% is fine--Nitrogen reducers/regulators are about 70 bucks, but you need a flowmeter attachment also, about $50 to keep the 15 liters per minute Nitrogen flowing--The MaxDog regulator, $330,from Australia(make sure its CGA-580 for US attachments),has the flowmeter already attached

Thanks for the answer! I'm so afraid to buy nitrogen of the wrong purity. It is very important. I thought that I needed high purity nitrogen (99.9999%), and not technical, as you write (technical is 99.0%-99.6%). 99.95% is already high purity grade 2 nitrogen, not technical. There is no such regulator in my country that you write about:(I hope that the regulator for about $150 will also do well

what are nitrogen reducers used for?

Oh, I don't speak English well, so the translator translated the word differently. I wanted to write a regulator

 

[quix77]

Your saying people have been brought back, three, four, five hours after they've died. Really.

I am not making it up - the link is there to check. And i am sure you can search for more scientific papers if you dont trust the bbc

I am not a doctor, nor have i seen such a resuscitation. This is just what i have read.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Sadly no one can ever be brought back to life 3, 4, or even 5 hours after death from Inert gas. It's impossible.

 

[Efilismislife]

CPR - adult and child after onset of puberty: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

CPR stands for cardiopulmonary resuscitation. It is a lifesaving procedure that is done when someone's breathing or heartbeat has stopped. This may happen after an electric shock, drowning, or heart attack.

medlineplus.gov

Permanent brain damage or death can occur within minutes if a person's blood flow stops. Therefore, you must continue CPR until the person's heartbeat and breathing return, or trained medical help arrives.



They use CPR and medical intervention there

from what i read without intervention brain is damaged after 10-20 minute of cardiac arrest

and for 1 hour is dead

I am not making it up - the link is there to check. And i am sure you can search for more scientific papers if you dont trust the bbc

I am not a doctor, nor have i seen such a resuscitation. This is just what i have read.

One source: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22154552

Quote -
"While 45 minutes is absolutely remarkable and a lot of people would have written her off, we now know there are people who have been brought back, three, four, five hours after they've died and have led remarkably good quality lives," says Dr Sam Parnia, the director of resuscitation research at Stony Brook University in New York.

I am not a medical expert, but there is plenty of literature out there. In fact there is one report of a survivor of N here, who was clinically dead for quite some time and was kept alive, comatose until she awoke.

Now - I am not a doctor or a medical expert of any kind. This is just what I read from various sources. Veracity is up to you to judge, but I kinda believe it if it is on bbc

 

[ToughLife]

Does passing out on Nitrogen feel like going to sleep with Anesthesia?

No, it doesn't feel like falling asleep with anesthesia, it feels like fainting.

 

[Euthanza]

Nitrogen cylinder + diving equipment could be champion of non medical CTB. Liquid Nitrogen is also getting used in Sarco.

 

[Kurt]

Apparently there are two kinds of death - clinical death and biological death.

Clinical death is when you stop breathing and heart stops. Apparently - people can be resuscitated even several hours afterward.

Biological death is when decomposition has set in. There can be no recovery after this.

So - I guess if you are going out with N, SN or Nitrogen - it is really important not to to be discovered too soon.

Minimum 30 minutes, preferrably overnight (12 hours)

Interesting point. I'll clearly state "NO Resuscitation" request in any note by my side as well.