Discussion For people who have a deep understanding of quantum physics are you more scared there might be a higher being/God?

[noname223]

I don't have a deep understanding of quantum physics. But many statements of quantum physics contradict my inner Intuition. And the Intuition of Most average people.

I have met psychotic people diving into it. If I have a delusion except for love Issues it might be quantum physics.

Some findings make me pretty anxious. There might be a higher power. But I am not smart enough to understand the whole thing properly.

I watched Interviews with Anton Zeilinger a physics noble prize winner. And He is a firm believer of catholicism.

Today I had a phone call with someone who might join my psychosis self-help group. And she started a pretty long delusional monologue about Jesus and that He could return any time and if you don't call him you end up in hell. I wonder whether I can still change my in case armageddon actually takes place.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I also don't have a deep understanding of quantum physics either but, to me, the many worlds interpretation from quantum mechanics honestly just sounds like a different religion to me. To me, it sounds like a way for people to cope by telling themselves that there's something grand out there and that we are significant in the cosmic sense. I'm not going to act like I know quantum mechanics because I don't but I just can't agree with the many worlds interpretation. I wouldn't be surprised if these people who agree with it did happen to be religious

 

[Hvergelmir]

Quantum mechanics is still cutting edge science, and I'm not sure anyone have a true 'deep understanding' of it.

As a physics model, the intent of QM is to predict interactions between object, much like relativity or Newtonian physics.
It has nothing to do with higher beings, gods or religion.
If a god is doing anything, scientific models explains how it unfolds, not whether there's a god involved or not. If a 'god' was encountered science would simply be about explaining the inner workings of of that being, and predict its effect on the world.

QM is unintuitive, hard to understand, and hard to prove. Thus it's a good target for psedo scientific speculation.
The recurring pattern is that they find one thing, where they can jump to a conclusion and then extrapolate from that.

Some findings make me pretty anxious.

Feel free to share those findings, if you want to discuss them.

 

[noname223]

Quantum mechanics is still cutting edge science, and I'm not sure anyone have a true 'deep understanding' of it.

As a physics model, the intent of QM is to predict interactions between object, much like relativity or Newtonian physics.
It has nothing to do with higher beings, gods or religion.
If a god is doing anything, scientific models explains how it unfolds, not whether there's a god involved or not. If a 'god' was encountered science would simply be about explaining the inner workings of of that being, and predict its effect on the world.

QM is unintuitive, hard to understand, and hard to prove. Thus it's a good target for psedo scientific speculation.
The recurring pattern is that they find one thing, where they can jump to a conclusion and then extrapolate from that.


Feel free to share those findings, if you want to discuss them.

Quantum entanglement seems interesting. It makes me believe that our day to day notion of time and room might be skewed.
It shows how extremely complex our universe is. And everything is build on extremely simple laws of nature.

I am in horrible shape this evening. I cannot express myself coherently.

 

[Hvergelmir]

Quantum entanglement seems interesting. It makes me believe that our day to day notion of time and room might be skewed.

I completely agree, it's very weird. Our perception of time and room, is most definitely crude.

That's the thing with QM though - it doesn't align with everyday experience, at all. Thus it becomes unintuitive.
The measurements and observations are however pretty clear, and can't be ignored. (See double-slit experiment, for example.)

 

[noname223]

I completely agree, it's very weird. Our perception of time and room, is most definitely crude.

That's the thing with QM though - it doesn't align with everyday experience, at all. Thus it becomes unintuitive.
The measurements and observations are however pretty clear, and can't be ignored. (See double-slit experiment, for example.)

I think Zeilinger said some people have the intuition for understanding QM. And that this is a necessary trait to explore it thouroughly.

The arangement of the universe seems weird. Everything can be reduced to very simple laws and there might be some beauty in that.

For the fact that it contradicts our everyday experience it makes me feel like everything is possible. Even the unthinkable. And for some this might be the existence of a creator God. However, of course QM does not make an explicit statement on that. It is a possible interpretation. And it might even be a projection and too much of reading into it.

 

[scottchy]

We are all simply basic living oransism. We scatter around aimlessly, feeding on whatever we can get our mouths on, reproducing as much as we can and killing other organisms that try to out preform us.

The difference between us and ants or tardigrades is that we're conscious and somewhat understand physics and science and are able to us it to our advantage. But there's still so much we don't know.

Living, dead, small, large, sea, land, sky, planet, universe, everything is the same.
Everything is matter.
And none of it matters.
Remember matter and energy are interchangeable.
We are are all made of the same thing and we are nothing more than a walking energy source for the next generation that will feed off us.
Trees and plants die which feed the molds and fungus which will eventually become fossil fuel for the future.
Ever heard the quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson: We are all made from stardust?
Our sun will one day explode which will destroy everything in our solar system, it will spread new seeds consisting of everything it destroyed far out into the universe and possibly one of those seeds will coincidently strike an infant planet with the correct composition of chemicals and minerals and amino acids to spark the creation of terraforming and the beginning of new life. "God" did not direct that seed to that planet, just luck and chance.

Einstein said it himself, E=mc2
Matter and energy become exactly the same if traveling at a percice speed.
The idea of throwing a "God" or "higher being" into the mix is novel. It's a simple idea for simple minds. It's easier to believe a "man in the sky" created everything as opposed to understanding the science of creation. It's all stories and fiction. It's made up to comfort people who are uncertain.

Unfortunately, understanding existence is very depressing as it paints a pretty clear black and white picture showing we are all meaningless.
Sometimes ignorance would be bliss

 

[Hvergelmir]

It's a simple idea for simple minds.

Until you dig a bit deeper. Proof of anything godlike would be the most exciting thing ever, worthy of hundreds of years of research.
A god would be so much more complex than particle interactions.

We also see complex traditions and "spiritual work" done over long time spans. So, I fail to see the 'simplistic appeal'.
I don't think it's about laziness or intelligence. It might be a desperate attempt to anthropomorphize reality itself(?) - I don't know, but we do like to project ourselves unto other things. It's a pretty good way of conceptualizing and memorizing things, I guess.

Unfortunately, understanding existence is very depressing as it paints a pretty clear black and white picture showing we are all meaningless.

There's no meaning without intent. But we're very much capable of creating intent, and it's often possible to achieve what one it set out to do. Isn't that what 'meaning' is, if you try to formalize it?

I fully understand the transient nature of it all, but transient meaning is still meaning.

 

[mlha]

Quantum entanglement seems interesting.

Entanglement happens whenever particles interact. Decoherence through many more particles makes it look like that the particles are independent.

 

[Electra]

To me, it sounds like a way for people to cope by telling themselves that there's something grand out there and that we are significant in the cosmic sense.

Second this.

 

[yxmux]

I don't recall there ever being an interpretation of quantum mechanics that posits that there is a higher power.

 

[VoidAetherium]

A little out of topic here so my bad if my point is rude or else badly. Humans playing deadly on the so called religion/beleif while avoiding their truth spiritual selfs was the main point for the ones who control our society since the begining. Occult science may be the way but even then a grain of salt may be taken. The old sacred are corrupted by those false ego god characters. Is like watching a fantasy movie that if you had watched many times and started to believe was real it becomes real to you as a manifestation of your own cosmos and if this is taken on a large escale it may consume others too!

 

[Hvergelmir]

A little out of topic here so my bad if my point is rude or else badly. Humans playing deadly on the so called religion/beleif while avoiding their truth spiritual selfs was the main point for the ones who control our society since the begining. Occult science may be the way but even then a grain of salt may be taken. The old sacred are corrupted by those false ego god characters. Is like watching a fantasy movie that if you had watched many times and started to believe was real it becomes real to you as a manifestation of your own cosmos and if this is taken on a large escale it may consume others too!

I've looked into the occult, and have taken the few chances I've had to speak in depth with members of a few different orders.
There are certainly many aspects of human experience that are poorly explained by contemporary science. I'm certainly open to religious or occult systems, possibly having more intuitive and useful models. (I'm just very much against blind faith and baseless speculations.)

If I interpret you correctly, you state that there is old ("sacred") knowledge, that has been corrupted over time. There's a lot of uncertainties about history - we weren't there to see it, and it's hard to collect good data from the past. Old belief systems and philosophical models have been largely forgotten.

What convinces you that old "sacred" knowledge hold significant value compared to contemporary mainstream knowledge?
Can you share any specific knowledge or model, which you think deserves more acknowledgement?
Do you represent any order or established belief system (asking to put what you say into better context)?