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For billions of people, life is not a gift it's a sentence. A cycle of struggle, exploitation, and disappointment, wrapped in false promises of freedom and prosperity. From birth, we're conditioned to believe in progress, hard work, and personal growth, but for most, these are hollow ideals that rarely deliver. Instead, we're born into systems that depend on our continued participation and obedience. The harsh reality is this: many of us are not allowed to leave because the governments and the systems behind them need slaves.

Modern life disguises control as choice. We're told we're free because we can vote, buy products, or move to another country. But these freedoms are superficial when survival itself requires submission. Most people are trapped in jobs they hate, just to afford food, shelter, and basic healthcare. We work not because we love it, but because we have no choice. Our labor is extracted, our time consumed, and our spirits broken all to feed a machine that only benefits a select few.

And yet, despite how unbearable life can be, society treats the idea of opting out of ending one's life as taboo, immoral, or even insane. Assisted suicide is only available to the terminally ill in a handful of places, and even then, the process is often bureaucratic, inaccessible, or blocked by religious or political ideology. For those who are mentally and emotionally exhausted by life, there is virtually no support or understanding. Instead, they are told to "seek help," take medication, or be grateful for what they have — as if gratitude can erase suffering or antidepressants can fix a broken world.

Why is this the case? Because if people could freely and peacefully leave, the whole illusion would collapse. If suicide were seen as a rational choice a valid response to an unbearable existence society would have to reckon with the fact that life for many is not worth living. That realization threatens the foundation of the system. The economy needs workers. Governments need taxpayers. The elite need consumers. If too many people decide to stop participating, the structure begins to fall apart.

Instead of fixing the causes of suffering poverty, trauma, inequality, isolation society chooses to silence the symptoms. We pathologize despair. We call it mental illness, even when it's a perfectly reasonable response to unbearable conditions. We shame those who want to die, not out of hatred, but because their pain reminds others of how fragile the illusion really is.

But some people see through it. They recognize that suffering is not an individual failure, but a systemic feature. They realize that life is often a raw deal, filled with pain, exploitation, and meaningless repetition. And they understand the cruel irony: those who want to leave are held hostage by a society that needs their labor but doesn't care about their well being.

This is not freedom. This is not dignity. This is survival under duress, enforced by law, shame, and fear. And until society starts valuing people more than profit until it gives us real choices, including the right to say "no" to life then yes, we are slaves.
 
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True but, say the government did introduce assisted suicide for all with little to no gatekeeping. How long do you suppose it would last? I imagine the first 16, 18, 19 year old that did it without their parents knowledge would result in riots in the streets!

Consider the resposes from families to fully grown adults who legally chose to end their lives after presumably an intensive application procedure in Switzerland. There were a couple of recent cases where a 51 year old lady and a 47 year old man chose to end their lives at Pegasus and in both cases, their families spoke out. Imagine if they were in their teens and our own government allowed it. They'd be going ballistic I imagine.

I think it's kind of naive to think it's only our governments preventing us from exiting. It's surely the vast majority of the population that want that. Including/ especially our own families a lot of the time. The government in this case has it pretty easy. They are simply enforcing what the majority of people want. Would many parents be happy if their children could still buy SN on Amazon?

That said, you could argue that perhaps it is the majority of the population that buy in to the idea that wage savery is reasonable, even positive, which definitely baffles me. No idea why that is. Brain washing or maybe they do actually think life is worth the extortionate cost.
 
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True but, say the government did introduce assisted suicide for all with little to no gatekeeping. How long do you suppose it would last? I imagine the first 16, 18, 19 year old that did it without their parents knowledge would result in riots in the streets!

Consider the resposes from families to fully grown adults who legally chose to end their lives after presumably an intensive application procedure in Switzerland. There were a couple of recent cases where a 51 year old lady and a 47 year old man chose to end their lives at Pegasus and in both cases, their families spoke out. Imagine if they were in their teens and our own government allowed it. They'd be going ballistic I imagine.

I think it's kind of naive to think it's only our governments preventing us from exiting. It's surely the vast majority of the population that want that. Including/ especially our own families a lot of the time. The government in this case has it pretty easy. They are simply enforcing what the majority of people want. Would many parents be happy if their children could still buy SN on Amazon?

That said, you could argue that perhaps it is the majority of the population that buy in to the idea that wage savery is reasonable, even positive, which definitely baffles me. No idea why that is. Brain washing or maybe they do actually think life is worth the extortionate cost.
Many controversial policies have survived backlash. Abortion access, gay marriage, and drug legalization all faced fierce public opposition initially. Yet, with proper regulation and societal shifts, they were maintained or even expanded.

Majoritarian views shouldn't override human rights. If we always bowed to the majority, civil rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and women's rights would have never advanced.

Public opinion can shift. A majority once opposed same-sex marriage. Over time, societal views evolved. The same could happen with end-of-life autonomy.
 
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Many controversial policies have survived backlash. Abortion access, gay marriage, and drug legalization all faced fierce public opposition initially. Yet, with proper regulation and societal shifts, they were maintained or even expanded.

Majoritarian views shouldn't override human rights. If we always bowed to the majority, civil rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and women's rights would have never advanced.

Public opinion can shift. A majority once opposed same-sex marriage. Over time, societal views evolved. The same could happen with end-of-life autonomy.

That's all true. Makes sense too. Unpopular ideas sometimes need to be implemented/ enforced for a while so that people eventually adjust.

Do they entirely adjust I wonder? There's still so much backlash to people simply living their lives and fighting for their share. Sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia still exist. That's violent opposition towards people simply being themselves and wanting to be able to live with equal opportunities. Not a massive ask! That's not to say we shouldn't still fight for these rights but, it gives an idea to the amount of opposition seemingly trivial issues provoke. Literally- you may be working with a person of a different gender, race, sexuality. Assisted dying is: 'We're going to kill one of your relatives.' (With their permission of course.) Quite a difference!

I'd like to hope the 'right to die' for all sound of mind adults would be accepted some day. I just struggle to think it will though. I think people will actually back assisted suicide for the terminally/ chronically ill. Having said that, our own UK government seems to have struggled even with that! Literally whether people who are likely to die in 6 months anyway should be given a peaceful and dignified exit earlier.

When it comes to people who are relatively healthy, (especially if they are young) wanting out though- I just think there will always be widespread opposition. You're asking parents to allow their 18 year old children (in their eyes) to die.

I suspect they will fall back even more heavily on issues of mental illness and mental competency. In both the cases I mentioned above- they were fully grown adults! Their families were still insisting that it wasn't the right choice for them. Comments even went so far as to call it murder!

Practically speaking though- let's say a politician shares our views and starts to speak out. They insist that, if they are voted in, they will push for an assisted suicide programme that will be available to most adults and they feel confident they will get it implemented. How many votes do you think they'd win? Will that many parents of troubled teenagers want them to have access to something like this? Enough people need to want/ demand something for it to gain traction- surely? And, I just don't think the majority of the 'normie' population would want this.

A quick Google search came out with 4% of the adult population having suicidal thoughts. Within that though- let's say even on this forum, not everyone here will agree that assisted suicide should be made available to all. Even within our own niche group, there are those who will disagree on whether it should only be available to those with physical illness. The age at which people should gain access is widely contested, the amount of gate keeping in other ways is widely contested. And, that's amongst a group of people who are broadly speaking, pro-choice.

I just think it's so much more complicated and, so much more unrealistic than just implementing something and expecting people to adjust. Also,I wonder just how many people in positions of power relate to ideation at all! Why would they fight for a cause they may actually oppose themselves?
 
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I just think it's so much more complicated and, so much more unrealistic than just implementing something and expecting people to adjust. Also,I wonder just how many people in positions of power relate to ideation at all! Why would they fight for a cause they may actually oppose themselves?
someone needs to create something that enables everyone to kill themselves peacefully at home without the need of having to source substances then we can all leave whenever we feel like it freedom for all
 
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