Method First improve : Strangulation / Compression

[Tsunami]

For this 1st thread, I would like to talk about compression strangulation. After much research and reading medical reports, I found some interesting cases. Two in particular intrigue me because they seem so simple and the bodies don't seem deteriorated like in other cases. I mean, no big marks, no discolorations, no tongue sticking out of the mouth. They give the impression of having fallen asleep just like that, seems peaceful.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-uncommon-suicide-method%3A-self-strangulation.-Turkmen-Eren/116b25a4d568463522c5400d1284bb5d0c706818

First case: I wonder how he did it. Anyone have an idea? Using a body part to keep the carotid artery compressed seems very clever to me. I have seen cases where the rope was even attached to the wrist, I wonder how they do it exactly I have trouble visualizing.

2sd case: this one fascinates me too and seems so simple. However, I cannot conceptualize how he proceeded. I wonder if this method is reproducible just with a chair or an armchair for example.

https://www.koreamed.org/SearchBasic.php?RID=2471742 you can see in the figure number 2 the picture and an explanation

What do you think about this 2 cases ?

 

[Tsunami]

https://synapse.koreamed.org/upload/synapsedata/pdfdata/2018kjlm/kjlm-44-31.pdf here the PDF version of the second case

 

[Tsunami]

Does anyone have an idea of the process? how did the compression continue once consciousness was lost?

 

[Tsunami]

https://www.bibliomed.org/fulltextpdf.php?mno=28948 here the PDF of the first case.

How did it ?? I can't understand how he maintained the compression of the carotid artery.. this method seems peaceful, it can be done in bed calmly. It's a kind of night night method.
How did he maintain the compression, anyone have any ideas? I really want to understand..

 

[fishlover]

I mean, no big marks, no discolorations, no tongue sticking out of the mouth. They give the impression of having fallen asleep just like that, seems peaceful.

correct me if im wrong: but i read something in an article or post (cant remember) about the vagus nerve being triggered during hangings/self aphyxiations which causes instantaneous death- something about the heart stopping suddenly. this could be why the corpse looks so different.

 

[Tsunami]

correct me if im wrong: but i read something in an article or post (cant remember) about the vagus nerve being triggered during hangings/self aphyxiations which causes instantaneous death- something about the heart stopping suddenly. this could be why the corpse looks so different.

I don't know...and it frustrates me. When I look at photos or reports of self strangulation it seems so easy and some cases like these 2 seem almost peaceful. And I can't understand the mechanics. In these 2 cases, it seems that the pressure of the rope was at the back of the neck since the points of support are opposite each other. As if it were an upside down suspension.

These 2 cases are fascinating to me, what creativity! I just can't imagine how to do it.

 

[Tsunami]

I bump this thread because I really feel like we're missing out on a possibility. There is a megathread about night night while no one seems to have CTB with this method, we could try to think of a process from the 2 cases mentioned above... Again if anyone has an idea of the process it would be great to share your opinion or your idea how to carry out this method.. my dysfunctional brain cannot conceptualize

 

[soleil]

This is how the girl from Toddlers and Tiaras did it in her car and she was only 16. No idea how it's done but must have been painful and scary.

Kailia Posey died by hanging - despite being found dead in a car

A medical examiner concluded on Wednesday that 'Toddlers 7 Tiaras' star Kailia Posey, 16, died from asphyxia due to ligature hanging when she took her own life at Birch Bay State Park on May 2.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tsunami]

This is how the girl from Toddlers and Tiaras did it in her car and she was only 16. No idea how it's done but must have been painful and scary.

Kailia Posey died by hanging - despite being found dead in a car

A medical examiner concluded on Wednesday that 'Toddlers 7 Tiaras' star Kailia Posey, 16, died from asphyxia due to ligature hanging when she took her own life at Birch Bay State Park on May 2.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why painful? I wonder how many people have successfully performed CTB with just a tight object around their neck, just tightening a rope quickly with one or more knots that keeps pressure on the carotid arteries. Lose consciousness in 10 to 30 seconds and don't worry about what happens after that as long as the knots maintain pressure. If some people have succeeded, it's possible, I would really like to know.

Does anyone think that in the 2 cases mentioned above they just died from asphixia and endured the pain for several minutes?

 

[soleil]

Tiny string like that just looks uncomfy. Who knows, they might have just passed out super quick like this video.

This guy can probably answer you. The backpack and the tie on the handle are similar.

 

[Tsunami]

Tiny string like that just looks uncomfy. Who knows, they might have just passed out super quick like this video.

This guy can probably answer you. The backpack and the tie on the handle are similar.

I speak about this 2 cases

https://www.bibliomed.org/fulltextpdf.php?mno=28948

https://synapse.koreamed.org/upload/synapsedata/pdfdata/2018kjlm/kjlm-44-31.pdf (case number 2 with orange rope)

in these 2 cases the pressure seems to have been exerted at the back of the neck.. Does this have anything to do with the vagus nerve? in the 1st PDF it says "On the other hand in some
cases it was reported that the response
to the compression of the neck causes
rapid death from cardiac arrest caused
by vagal inhibition, which prevents de-
velopment the signs of stasis and in-
"creased blood pressure"
In the 2nd PDF by zooming in on the photo we can see that the rope exerts pressure at the back of the neck and seems to continue along the cheeks and not the neck.. is it possible to put maximum pressure at the back (as some case of full suspension with the knot at the front of the neck)? in this case the victim seems to be able to breathe and just inflicts enormous pressure on the back of his neck using his knees (I don't know if I'm clear...)

 

[Tsunami]

The most important agent, however, in this kind of death is the compression of the larger vessels and the cervical portion of the vagus nerve, the upper portion of the carotid being pressed against the transverse processes of the cervical vertebræ before it branches off into the external and internal carotids, and the inner coat of the vessel being ruptured. The jugular veins are compressed at the same time, and the brain can neither receive any more blood nor allow that which it contains already to flow away; its irritability is therefore extinct. The very important part which both the vagus and the vessels take in causing death by hanging is clearly shown through the following observations: 1. Loss of consciousness following immediately the compression caused by the rope at the moment when the noose is drawn tight by the weight of the body. The truth of this assertion is proved by the fact that no person who commits suicide by hanging ever attempts to rid himself of the rope which throttles him, although he might do so easily by standing upright, as the body is not always suspended above the surface of the ground. 2. The rapidity with which death ensues and the beating of the heart stops. The few struggling respirations which generally occur in asphyxia shortly before death have not been observed in persons who have been hung. It is also well known how difficult it is to restore such patients to life. Death by hanging is, then, complex. It results from the occlusion of the respiratory tubes, from the sudden interruption of the passage of blood into the brain, and possibly from arrest of the circulation determined by the compression of the vagi nerves

I found this in another thread.. I also read that only 5% of people who use hanging put the knot in front of the neck, but wouldn't that be the most judicious? It seems to be an intelligent option, I mean, in any case if the pressure is exerted at the back and on the sides it allows you to be able to breathe..
Wouldn't it be possible to just lie down and exert pressure on the back and side of the neck using the feet, ankles or knees?

 

[twatingthroughlife]

I found this in another thread.. I also read that only 5% of people who use hanging put the knot in front of the neck, but wouldn't that be the most judicious? It seems to be an intelligent option, I mean, in any case if the pressure is exerted at the back and on the sides it allows you to be able to breathe..
Wouldn't it be possible to just lie down and exert pressure on the back and side of the neck using the feet, ankles or knees?

I did this with my foot. I almost passed out immediately but SI is strong. If it wasn't for si, I could've died. But I also think there's a huge chance of the string loosening up after you pass out and start twitching.

 

[Tsunami]

I did this with my foot. I almost passed out immediately but SI is strong. If it wasn't for si, I could've died. But I also think there's a huge chance of the string loosening up after you pass out and start twitching.

how exactly did you do it? can you say more? (position, knot etc) Maybe putting a shoe on the foot where the rope is placed can be a solution.

 

[gbi2]

Yes it does appear to be what they have done, the question being how much pressure they had to apply. how long it took them to get the exact spot corrrect and how long they had to apply pressure for.

Article re instant death upon grabbing a neck.

https://ijop.net/index.php/mlu/article/view/2836

Abstract
Fatal neck pressure due to manual strangulation is a relatively common event. Sudden deaths that occur in
the first seconds of pressure are attributed to effects of the nerve. According to leading authors, the process
occurs through a reflex arc where the afferent (sensory) nerve impulses emerge in the carotid complex of the
nerve endings, but not in the vagus trunk itself.
On the contrary, we describe one such fatality. The body of a man in his early twenties came to attention in
our Institute. According to testimonies and investigations, the victim had a domestic fight with his brother.
After a verbal altercation, the victim was grabbed by the neck and immediately fell dead. During the external
examination, only two small finger-nail superficial abrasions were found in the left cervical region. No other
signs of violence were detected. The dissection of the neck only revealed a perineural hematoma in the
left vagus trunk in the cervical tract. The cause of death was attributed to neurally mediated cardiac arrest
induced by direct left vagus nerve compression.

link with better write up and pics:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwih2t6uhMKCAxWQQUEAHXUvDdMQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fijop.net%2Findex.php%2Fmlu%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F2836%2F2466%2F5543&usg=AOvVaw1_RMx4-bZNkgEwsglC0M8T&opi=89978449

 

[twatingthroughlife]

how exactly did you do it? can you say more? (position, knot etc) Maybe putting a shoe on the foot where the rope is placed can be a solution.

I just tied a slipknot to my neck and then tied the string to my foot. I tightened the knot on my neck manually and then pulled with mi foot. It was super quick, but I wouldn't know what to do to keep that same pressure while passed out. I don't really know how a shoe could help.

 

[Goodgirlryeo101]

I bump this thread because I really feel like we're missing out on a possibility. There is a megathread about night night while no one seems to have CTB with this method, we could try to think of a process from the 2 cases mentioned above... Again if anyone has an idea of the process it would be great to share your opinion or your idea how to carry out this method.. my dysfunctional brain cannot conceptualize

There is a user by the name of Prime who ctb using the night night method from a few years back ……

 

[Tsunami]

Yes it does appear to be what they have done, the question being how much pressure they had to apply. how long it took them to get the exact spot corrrect and how long they had to apply pressure for.

Article re instant death upon grabbing a neck.

https://ijop.net/index.php/mlu/article/view/2836

If I could try this is what I would try to do until I find the right spot.. unfortunately I only have one shot for my attempt.. which makes things complicated for me

I just tied a slipknot to my neck and then tied the string to my foot. I tightened the knot on my neck manually and then pulled with mi foot. It was super quick, but I wouldn't know what to do to keep that same pressure while passed out. I don't really know how a shoe could help.

Did you put the knot at the front of you neck ?
With a shoe it would help to keep the rope under the foot I suppose. Or like the 1st case he tied a piece of clothing around his ankle, I wonder if he didn't tie the rope with his foot as close as possible to his hip with no slack in the rope then then pushed as much as possible in the direction of his 2nd ankle.. in any case it frustrates me not to be able to visualize how he did it, it seems so simple.

The 2nd one too, I mean, he just tied 3 knots, 2 around the knees and the 3rd around the neck, his final position in the photo is also strange as if he had fallen asleep..

There is a user by the name of Prime who ctb using the night night method from a few years back ……

There is no evidence that this guys used this method , its just speculation and its just one.. he made a thread about a technique with 3 knot maybe he used this we dont know..

Ligature strangulation

I have been struggling with partial suspension for a long time and have found that it is extremely difficult because of the survival instinct(I don't have access to alcohol) I am experimenting with ligature strangulation and have discovered that it is easier than partial. Take a very thin rope...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[twatingthroughlife]

Did you put the knot at the front of you neck ?
With a shoe it would help to keep the rope under the foot I suppose. Or like the 1st case he tied a piece of clothing around his ankle, I wonder if he didn't tie the rope with his foot as close as possible to his hip with no slack in the rope then then pushed as much as possible in the direction of his 2nd ankle.. in any case it frustrates me not to be able to visualize how he did it, it seems so simple.

I did it both ways. I liked the knot at the back of my neck better. I was still able to breathe and it was quicker. I tried it because I saw this same exact picture a while ago and it seemed simple but it frustrates me too that I can't get an exact idea of how he did it. I've tried many ways of self strangulation and this has been by far the most effective for me.

 

[Tsunami]

I bump about the second case ... anyone have an idea ? .. how that can be do ? looks so simple but cant understand mechanism

 

[Tsunami]

I bump about the second case ... anyone have an idea ? .. how that can be do ? looks so simple but cant understand mechanism

Can anyone with anatomical knowledge tell if a strong compression at the back of the neck can induce anything?
on the picture we can clearly see that the rope passes just below the ears , how I imagine he proceeded: he was just sitting and put all his strength at the back of the neck , then he fell his head forward on the driver handle but since there was no more pressure maintained, what caused death? Is it possible that the pressure caused cardiac arrest?

 

[Tsunami]

Same with this one, I wonder the mechanism. If anyone has an idea? Did he just put his heel close to his abdomen with the rope stretched out and then the leg naturally released down? Or was he in a sitting position and dropped back? My brain is currently dysfunctional but I'm sure someone can conceptualize this gentleman's method. If someone can help by giving their opinion it would be really good...

 

[twatingthroughlife]

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Same with this one, I wonder the mechanism. If anyone has an idea? Did he just put his heel close to his abdomen with the rope stretched out and then the leg naturally released down? Or was he in a sitting position and dropped back? My brain is currently dysfunctional but I'm sure someone can conceptualize this gentleman's method. If someone can help by giving their opinion it would be really good...

I came back here because I just tried this again and holy shit I was almost successful. I used a slipknot for my neck and just tightened it as much as possible with my handds and pulled with my foot. It didn't become loose or anything while I was passing out but SI kicked in in the last seconds of consciousness and I released myself with much difficulty. I also became aware that my whole body was shaking, almost having the convulsions at that point. I think I would've been successful if it wasn't for SI. I didn't know it was gonna be this hard and that SI would be so strong even when I was almost there. It really sucks. I wish I could just do full or even partial hanging but I just don't have a good enough anchor point, sadly.
Anyway, I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[Tsunami]

I came back here because I just tried this again and holy shit I was almost successful. I used a slipknot for my neck and just tightened it as much as possible with my handds and pulled with my foot. It didn't become loose or anything while I was passing out but SI kicked in in the last seconds of consciousness and I released myself with much difficulty. I also became aware that my whole body was shaking, almost having the convulsions at that point. I think I would've been successful if it wasn't for SI. I didn't know it was gonna be this hard and that SI would be so strong even when I was almost there. It really sucks. I wish I could just do full or even partial hanging but I just don't have a good enough anchor point, sadly.
Anyway, I hope you find what you're looking for.

What was your position?
Knot in front or back? And how is the pressure maintained when you pass out?

 

[twatingthroughlife]

What was your position?
Knot in front or back? And how is the pressure maintained when you pass out?

Just like in the picture. I'm thinking the pressure is maintained by the strength of the knot and the material of the thing I'm using with the help of my foot. Even when I was trying to release myself, it was extremely hard to loosen things up.