Fear of Hell/Traumatizing loved ones

[goingcrazy123]

The main reasons I have yet to CTB are fear of a Hellish afterlife and the undeniable damage it would do to my loved ones. I want out so badly but know my choice would leave so much destruction behind me. I know lots of us feel this way... how I wish we could know unequivocally.

 

[FuneralCry]

There is no evidence that a hell even exists, I believe that there is nothing after this. Death is true peace and freedom from all suffering. Of course ctb can be painful to those left behind, but the way that I see it, we will all die eventually and grief and loss are part of life. We all have the right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing. I'm sorry that you are suffering so much, I know that this life can be unbearable when you are desperate to leave. I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do.

 

[Rational man]

There is no God or judgement. That was created by humankind in.an attempt to control us. When die people like to think they will be reunited with loved ones. How charming. I cant think of a more hellish outcome than meeting up with my psycopathic family.

 

[goingcrazy123]

There is no God or judgement. That was created by humankind in.an attempt to control us. When die people like to think they will be reunited with loved ones. How charming. I cant think of a more hellish outcome than meeting up with my psycopathic family.

I want to believe that... hopefully you're right. I've been studying NDES relentlessly and trying to come to some conclusion regarding the afterlife. I'd love to be reunited with my family but can definitely understand someone not feeling that way. Hugs

 

[ornitier199]

There is no evidence that a hell even exists, I believe that there is nothing after this. Death is true peace and freedom from all suffering.

Yeah. Despite my ff quotes 'n jokes. This is my stance in true.

 

[Al_stargate]

I cant think of a more hellish outcome than meeting up with my psycopathic family.

Hehe, feel that.

The main reasons I have yet to CTB are fear of a Hellish afterlife and the undeniable damage it would do to my loved ones.

I know a lot of people here don't believe in it or will tell themselves there is no such thing as afterlife. Some personal experiences in my life have made me almost certain that there is a lot more than what we see here on this plane, so to speak. Suicide likely brings hefty karmic burden on the soul so unless one is in a really bad situation, I wouldn't entertain that thought.

 

[EraseRewind]

I'm under no illusion that hell is waiting for me on the other side, I believe in a higher power and when I CTB then the punishment is inevitable. That's my belief I don't push that on anyone else because that wouldn't be right as each one of us is entitled to make our decision on the existence of an afterlife.

Personally I hope everyone is blessed enough that there is no need to CTB although I'm not that naïve enough to believe we can all be "cured" of those terrible feelings. I really would love to see each person find a peace of mind that allows them to live well, I thought I had found such a peace but as ever it didn't last, so my course is set again.

Peace to all.

 

[jimmy7754]

The game is rigged.. there are too many reasons for me to commit suicide.

 

[Rational man]

I want to believe that... hopefully you're right. I've been studying NDES relentlessly and trying to come to some conclusion regarding the afterlife. I'd love to be reunited with my family but can definitely understand someone not feeling that way. Hugs

we can hope or believe. Whatever happens will happen, surely without input from our human form!.

 

[Red Scare]

I want to believe that... hopefully you're right. I've been studying NDES relentlessly and trying to come to some conclusion regarding the afterlife. I'd love to be reunited with my family but can definitely understand someone not feeling that way. Hugs

Most so called near death experiences occur when a person is no where near death, and can be attributable to drugs like anesthetics, and chemicals in the brain making a person trip out and think they are dying. A lot of times someone claims to have one, they weren't even in danger of dying.

Real near death experiences involve people who actually died, were in cardiac arrest, and then they were revived in a clinical setting. If you listen to the experiences of people who have actually died, they say that they experienced nothing. No white light, no St. Peter at the golden gates, it was just nothing. They experienced nothing. I have spoken to a lot of people who have died, whether in a hospital setting, or due to a drug overdose, they were revived, and it's all the same. They experience nothing.

I can't remember if it was here on the forum, but someone who had died like that and was a Catholic was upset to learn that they experienced nothingness while they were dead and being revived. They didn't experience any of that white light stuff, and apparently it shook their faith.

 

[CrazyNihilist]

The only hell is the one we are living in now. Death is the only escape to the evil that is life.

 

[lonerclown666]

im afraid if i CTB i will go to hell and being tortured by demons for all the eternity

 

[symphony]

I was raised Christian, and even though I no longer believe, that fear of Hell runs deep and I've had to work to deconstruct it. Here's my thoughts on the matter. I hope this can help someone.

First, I believe it is impossible for any of us to know with certainty what happens after death. It could be oblivion, reincarnation, nirvana-like, eternal paradise, eternal torture, or something else entirely.

But these possibilities do not all seem equally likely. There is no good evidence for any kind of afterlife. The basis of these claims are all based in spiritual and religious systems, which are notorious for not being able to prove any of their claims with any degree of certainty. It's all faith and (frequently) a large dose of "because X religious text or Y spiritual teacher said so".

This alone should lead us to believe that death is most likely oblivion. Apply Occam's razor here: eternal oblivion is a much simpler explanation in that it doesn't force us to make a bunch more unproven assumptions about how the world works. It is entirely naturalistic and we can explain it using ideas we already understand. The existence of an afterlife, relies on many further assumptions, all unproven, and Occam's razor as a principle tells us that the conclusion that makes the fewest assumptions is generally best. The NDEs pop up in evidence of this. Sure, we could explain these through the lens of an afterlife, but we could just as easily explain them naturalistically, by appealing to what we already know about brain functioning. What seems more likely here? That NDEs are a product of brain functioning that we largely already understand, or that people's "souls" are magically being transported to some ethereal plane we have no evidence of?

Beyond this, and much more importantly, we have good evidential reason to believe the eternal oblivion theory. This boils down to the study of the nature of consciousness. Those arguing for an afterlife claim that our consciousness (the part of us we identify as "us") is separate from the body and thus can "live on" after the body dies. But all modern neuroscientific evidence shows that consciousness is a product of the brain. Even non-fatal brain injuries in the right locations can harm the consciousness. It only follows that without any brain activity, there is no consciousness, no personal experience, no sense of self. Death is the end.

But maybe you're not convinced. I did claim that the existence of an afterlife is a possibility, however extraordinarily unlikely it may be. Well, even so, why should we assume CTB would land you in a worse afterlife? Because X religious text or Y spiritual teacher said so without being able to justify their claims? It seems equally plausible to me that the hypothetical Powers that Be may not care about suicide at all, or may even praise it as a brave act, daring to leave behind this Earthly life to meet the gods. So again, we can't know, so why fear?

Sorry for the rambling. This is something I think about a lot.

 

[EndofEternity]

I don't believe in Hell, at least not the Christian version, so that's never really been a problem for me. I do technically believe in some sort of hellish afterlife, but I also believe that it's reserved only for the worst of people. As in absolute monsters, and not people that simply chose to end their lives. As for the other part of this, I'm also scared of the effects my death would have on my loved ones. Knowing it would hurt them absolutely destroys me, but I think going on like this would only cause more damage in the long run

 

[CrazyNihilist]

The NDEs pop up in evidence of this

First of all, that is a very well written post. The fact is that no one really knows for sure. There's a lot of NDE research, but these NDEs are, by definition, not death. I personally find it very easy to believe this is the coinage of the brain when it is experiencing trauma. A life flashing before one's eyes so to speak. My personal belief is that religion serves a purpose to control otherwise lawless behavior and to keep certain people in power. I certainly could be wrong, but why would they have such harsh things to say about suicide if it weren't for the purpose of scaring people into continuing to slop through the muck of life. Slave doing hard labor would be dropping like flies if they thought the afterlife would be fine for suicide victims. If I am wrong, I risk torture in hell for eternity, which is not that far removed from what my life is now. Shakespeare said "Conscious makes cowards of us all", and that we'd "rather bear those ills we have that fly to others we know not of".

 

[GetMeOut]

There is no evidence that an afterlife exists. None whatsoever.

I love my parents dearly, especially my mum. If it weren't for upsetting her, I'd be long gone already. When my parents die, I will be stricken with grief; if I ctb, they will be stricken with grief.

The question I ask keep asking myself is this: why does it have to be me who grieves and not them? Someone is going to have their life ruined either way.

I don't say that flippantly, cruelly or selfishly (I love my parents so much), but it is an honest way to look at it. My parents have my brother and a beautiful grandson from him; I have nothing apart from my desire to not destroy my parents. In a cold calculation, it actually seems the least bad option for me (however achingly reluctant I am to do so) to die first. They will still have something to live for; I have nothing now and will have nothing after they are gone. This has been my thinking for some time.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

but the way that I see it, we will all die eventually and grief and loss are part of life.

wow yes this gives me comfort

 

[Forever Sleep]

I wish I could feel confident that there was nothing after this and I also suspect I may never go through with ctb- partly out of fear of afterlife punishment.

I've done some research on religion- enough to make me seriously suspect that it is a man-made construction to keep people in order.

Still, it's pretty difficult to completely quash beliefs that have been ingrained since childhood. Plus, I think many of us who have lost loved ones cling to the hope that they haven't entirely gone- that they may have reached heaven and that we might see them again. It's hard to juggle opposing thoughts with certainty that either are correct.

One of my close relatives has a firm belief that suicides are punished in purgatory/hell. Weirdly, they also believe in reincarnation. I may not agree with them but I think it's harder to eliminate doubts when you have grown up with certain ideas around you.

It feels like the actual act of ctb is as risky as the possible afterlife consequences when you feel unsure. I completely get where you are coming from.

 

[Darkover]

 

[dropintheocean]

I do believe in afterlife. Almost all traditions/religions say if you take refugee toward some ideal of particular tradition like Jesus, Amitabha Buddha, Krishna etc. Mahasiddha. They come and help you on the other side. So if Id have fear about afterlife I would turn toward some of them who is closest to you and if you are open to this. Hope you find peace!

 

[BasqueClown]

I don't fear hell because I lost my faith but not an atheist
The worst isn't a eternal suffering, perhaps it's only a blackness and you're gone
I don't fear death also, I have my issue with family and how much can affect my death (Suicide or not) because I feel like the "special" one of the family as the only daughter
Parents are dead so I can't broke their hearts for taking life
Anyway, it's hard to anyone a loved one to lost in suicide but I think it's time to turn page and accept it as a personal choose that don't judge and no a offense to God or love of your family members

 

[Lost Magic]

Do you not think that you (and us all) are already in hell? I just don't buy into a fictional hell of fire and brimstone. It sounds horrible, but it was invented just to put fear into people to keep them in line. It's BS as far as I'm concerned.

 

[GetMeOut]

My only concern now is my mum in old age, that she will be properly cared for. If I am not around, there is no guarantee she will be. This, not her being upset, is now the only thing keeping me on this earth.

 

[Csmith8827]

The main reasons I have yet to CTB are fear of a Hellish afterlife and the undeniable damage it would do to my loved ones. I want out so badly but know my choice would leave so much destruction behind me. I know lots of us feel this way... how I wish we could know unequivocally.

I don't think theres a hell but i mean i guess i could be wrong? I just don't like your profile picture of Whis honestly...as if you were some sort of messenger to detur us from trying to ctb...

 

[Resinn66]

Fake news as well as heaven
This is called brainwashing people since 2000 years. The real hell we are living it now

 

[oneeyed]

The only hell is the one we are living in now. Death is the only escape to the evil that is life.

I joked in another thread about my previous attempt actually being successful and my existence now is my personal hell. Like a life/suicide inception ordeal, except I sure as hell don't look like Leonardo DiCaprio and mind surf.

 

[makethepainstop]

The main reasons I have yet to CTB are fear of a Hellish afterlife and the undeniable damage it would do to my loved ones. I want out so badly but know my choice would leave so much destruction behind me. I know lots of us feel this way... how I wish we could know unequivocally.

Fear of hell? Fear of hell? Dear Sir or Madam, I am ALREADY in hell! There has got to be something better than this awaiting me in my next incarnation.