Discussion Fatalism

[televised_suicide]

I feel as though 25 years of wrestling with my reality, in regards to what I am capable of doing according to my predispositions and the environment I exist in, has ultimately lead to a fatalistic outlook on life.

I was born with an hyperactive sympathetic nervous system and inflammatory response, this is my 'hardware'. As a child, I experienced abuse from my father and emotional neglect from my mother, this is my 'software'. As a consequence, I suffer from a host of chronic mental and physical disorders, these are my 'viruses'.

I am now a dysfunctional adult who feels trapped by my limitations and destined to fail, imposed on me by no fault of my own – by fate.

So I'd like to know, what philosophical conclusions have people on this forum come to?

 

[Jean Améry]

I'm sorry to hear about how both the biological, psychological and the social aspects of your life screwed you over.

As to your question: I know life is suffering and death in inevitable. Both are my fate as they are of humanity as a whole. My situation now is also in large part determined by my past and my upbringing (to my detriment). If this is fatalism I am a fatalist. In a way it's just realism, isn't it?

 

[TAW122]

I've arrived at fatalism, nihilism, antinatalism, and pro voluntary euthanasia (keyword - VOLUNTARY, by free will and choice) long before I joined the forum. Therefore, I wouldn't really say that the forum shaped my outlook on life, but rather that I had these things going on, I just found a community and some belonging on here as well as further reinforcement and confirmation of how the world is. I actually feel at home when I'm on this platform.

 

[issyishere]

existential nihilism. the idea life has no intrinsic meaning or value. i can't explain why life fucking sucks for people like me and you and the others on this site. After thinking about it I believes life has no deeper meaning, it's random. For some reason all of us on here just won a lottery for having a bad life.

 

[televised_suicide]

I feel like once you get 'infected' with this mindset, there's no going back, everything seems unreal..

 

[Amossoma543]

I've arrived at fatalism, nihilism, antinatalism, and pro voluntary euthanasia (keyword - VOLUNTARY, by free will and choice) long before I joined the forum. Therefore, I wouldn't really say that the forum shaped my outlook on life, but rather that I had these things going on, I just found a community and some belonging on here as well as further reinforcement and confirmation of how the world is. I actually feel at home when I'm on this platform.

Same, same, same. I'm also misanthropist, but only insofar as I don't like real-world interactions with people...and I feel that our species is, generally speaking, very stupid, superficial, short-sighted, mostly destructive (looking back over the 10-12,000 years of civilization), capable and willing to exact intentional misery on others, predisposed to violence and greed, and incapable of working collectively to the extent that we can make life tolerable for humanity.

I think that we are doomed to destroy ourselves, that it is just in our nature to be this way, and that's it's only a matter of time. We just are not morally capable of building a utopian existence like that you see in the Star Trek universe. We want to...we dream of doing it...but we can't get the whole of humanity (or enough of us) together to work collectively to achieve it.

 

[Epsilon0]

Absurdism is very much in tune with my line of thinking.

We are all like Job in the Bible - live serves us nothing but grief, and yet, we continue to march on, to hope, despite reason. The difference between us and good Job is that he is lavishly rewarded in the end.

Living each day, despite knowing our existence is futile, is an exercise in absurdity. Our lives are an absurd repetion: each day we take a leap of faith, we hope something will fill the emptiness with meaning. It's absurd, it's utterly absurd, and yet we do it. That's the human condition.

 

[Amossoma543]

Absurdism is very much in tune with my line of thinking.

We are all like Job in the Bible - live serves us nothing but grief, and yet, we continue to march on, to hope, despite reason. The difference between us and good Job is that he is lavishly rewarded in the end.

Living each day, despite knowing our existence is futile, is an exercise in absurdity. Our lives are an absurd repetion: each day we take a leap of faith, we hope something will fill the emptiness with meaning. It's absurd, it's utterly absurd, and yet we do it. That's the human condition.

I'm reading a novel right now that has a character who committed suicide. I didn't know that when I started it. Anyway, her surviving loved one is talking to an investigator of the suicide. The loved one said, "She wanted to die. Really, really wanted it."

The investigator said, "Or to be saved?"
The other responded, "Isn't it the same thing? In this world? Expecting to be saved is like praying for rain in the desert."

THAT rang so true. It is the same thing. There is no saving in this world. Especially if you had a shitty beginning. You can only learn to live with the misery...or choose your own exit.

 

[faust]

I came to a conclusion that there is absolutely no reason for the species to exist. So basically every species are doomed to reproduction to save the population. But in terms of the universe, the species do nothing. But why did the universe create all this variety of organisms... If humanity exists only to reach singularity and create a model of another world, it is already a reproduction of worlds where every supreme being creates a new world and so on... Does this survival game make sense if one day humanity and all the species will disappear?