Failed SN recovery

[Qbert]

Man who swallowed toxic substance could have lived but for communication breakdown

Man who took his own life after taking a toxic substance might have lived had there not been a communication breakdown, an inquest has heard.

coventryobserver.co.uk

Man takes SN, calls emergency services and still dies due to screwups. Also: article says nitrate not nitrite which must be an error.

 

[Egddios]

Man who swallowed toxic substance could have lived but for communication breakdown

Man who took his own life after taking a toxic substance might have lived had there not been a communication breakdown, an inquest has heard.

coventryobserver.co.uk

Man takes SN, calls emergency services and still dies due to screwups. Also: article says nitrate not nitrite which must be an error.

Damn.

From the article:

A MAN who took his own life after taking a toxic substance might have lived had there not been a communication breakdown, an inquest has heard.

Ashley Walker died after taking a lethal dose of sodium nitrite at his home on Oaks Road in Kenilworth last August.

The 25-year-old called emergency services and when the ambulance crew arrived he was unconscious. They provided Mr Walker with oxygen and said his levels of consciousness showed slight improvement as his limbs began to move.

But the crew was told to leave the house by the ambulance operations manager who believed they were dealing with a spillage rather than the swallowing of the substance.

Mr Walker was left for some 45 minutes until the fire service arrived. He was given CPR for 15 minutes but was later pronounced dead.

It also emerged there was an antidote to counteract the sodium nitrate but paramedics did not routinely carry it.

The patient had previously taken overdoses, including ingesting anti-freeze over several days, and expressed suicidal thoughts to mental health specialists.

He had been offered assessments on a number of occasions although had declined. When one was finally taken it was ruled he did not suffer from acute mental issues and at the time expressed no suicidal intent.

Warwickshire senior coroner Sean McGovern said in his closing statement he would consider making a 'future death report' in relation to the 'communication breakdown' between the medical teams.

To a West Midlands Ambulance Service representative he said: "You said there was a real chance of survival which I agree with.

"There is an antidote effective if used in the first hour. Although we don't know when he took the sodium nitrate. There was a prospect he might have survived but I can't say with absolute certainty."

He added he would consider issuing a future death report to NHS officials in the hope of preventing future deaths.

He offered his condolences to Mr Walker's family.


I wonder what the death certificate will say, suicide or communication breakdown? Hospitals rarely take accountability. On one hand I'm relieved for the man, and I also wonder if he had called EMS himself, maybe he wasn't fully intending on ending his life? I don't know. Then I think, any attempt is at least partly hoped to be final. He's free of this world, and no longer suffering.

 

[televised_suicide]

Goes to show that if you do attempt, you have to treat it with the weight it carries as a possibly irreversible decision – so make it wisely.

 

[Ghost2211]

Wow.....

 

[AlreadyGone]

Don't attempt if you are not 100% ready.

 

[Fragile]

many things to be learned from this:

-as some members have already said, don't attempt unless you are absolutely sure that you are ready to go, this it not a game and you will suffer from the consequences if your SI kicks in, there is also no guarantee that you will be saved even if you call an ambulance right away so don't make an impulsive attempt.

-there is an antidote, i think they are talking about activated charcoal or could be something else, but the important part is that its effective on the first hour, so if you really want to go, then make sure that you have at least some hours where no one can find you, and let me repeat myself, DON'T MAKE AN IMPULSIVE ATTEMPT, you will regret it even if you live.

-SN is becoming a popular method even outside of this forum, many cases have been reported lately and there's clearly some media attention growing, not to mention that it's becoming really hard to get in some countries according to some members. get it while you can before it's too late if you intend to use it. this substance may have widespread uses, but that won't stop some people from trying to ban it or at least make it way harder to acquire.

 

[xBrialesana]

Damn.

From the article:

A MAN who took his own life after taking a toxic substance might have lived had there not been a communication breakdown, an inquest has heard.

Ashley Walker died after taking a lethal dose of sodium nitrite at his home on Oaks Road in Kenilworth last August.

The 25-year-old called emergency services and when the ambulance crew arrived he was unconscious. They provided Mr Walker with oxygen and said his levels of consciousness showed slight improvement as his limbs began to move.

But the crew was told to leave the house by the ambulance operations manager who believed they were dealing with a spillage rather than the swallowing of the substance.

Mr Walker was left for some 45 minutes until the fire service arrived. He was given CPR for 15 minutes but was later pronounced dead.

It also emerged there was an antidote to counteract the sodium nitrate but paramedics did not routinely carry it.

The patient had previously taken overdoses, including ingesting anti-freeze over several days, and expressed suicidal thoughts to mental health specialists.

He had been offered assessments on a number of occasions although had declined. When one was finally taken it was ruled he did not suffer from acute mental issues and at the time expressed no suicidal intent.

Warwickshire senior coroner Sean McGovern said in his closing statement he would consider making a 'future death report' in relation to the 'communication breakdown' between the medical teams.

To a West Midlands Ambulance Service representative he said: "You said there was a real chance of survival which I agree with.

"There is an antidote effective if used in the first hour. Although we don't know when he took the sodium nitrate. There was a prospect he might have survived but I can't say with absolute certainty."

He added he would consider issuing a future death report to NHS officials in the hope of preventing future deaths.

He offered his condolences to Mr Walker's family.


I wonder what the death certificate will say, suicide or communication breakdown? Hospitals rarely take accountability. On one hand I'm relieved for the man, and I also wonder if he had called EMS himself, maybe he wasn't fully intending on ending his life? I don't know. Then I think, any attempt is at least partly hoped to be final. He's free of this world, and no longer suffering.

Thanks for the TL;DR. Interesting

 

[Qbert]

I bet that SN will be hard to come by in the UK soon.

 

[Broken Chimera]

Won't be long before it's banned in the states with all this attention.

 

[Somebodylied]

I wonder if he called the ambulance because of pain associated with sn, or out of panic, or if he changed his mind?

 

[Qbert]

I wonder if he called the ambulance because of pain associated with sn, or out of panic, or if he changed his mind?

Probably a combo of all 3...

 

[Nem]

Damn.

From the article:

A MAN who took his own life after taking a toxic substance might have lived had there not been a communication breakdown, an inquest has heard.

Ashley Walker died after taking a lethal dose of sodium nitrite at his home on Oaks Road in Kenilworth last August.

The 25-year-old called emergency services and when the ambulance crew arrived he was unconscious. They provided Mr Walker with oxygen and said his levels of consciousness showed slight improvement as his limbs began to move.

But the crew was told to leave the house by the ambulance operations manager who believed they were dealing with a spillage rather than the swallowing of the substance.

Mr Walker was left for some 45 minutes until the fire service arrived. He was given CPR for 15 minutes but was later pronounced dead.

It also emerged there was an antidote to counteract the sodium nitrate but paramedics did not routinely carry it.

The patient had previously taken overdoses, including ingesting anti-freeze over several days, and expressed suicidal thoughts to mental health specialists.

He had been offered assessments on a number of occasions although had declined. When one was finally taken it was ruled he did not suffer from acute mental issues and at the time expressed no suicidal intent.

Warwickshire senior coroner Sean McGovern said in his closing statement he would consider making a 'future death report' in relation to the 'communication breakdown' between the medical teams.

To a West Midlands Ambulance Service representative he said: "You said there was a real chance of survival which I agree with.

"There is an antidote effective if used in the first hour. Although we don't know when he took the sodium nitrate. There was a prospect he might have survived but I can't say with absolute certainty."

He added he would consider issuing a future death report to NHS officials in the hope of preventing future deaths.

He offered his condolences to Mr Walker's family.


I wonder what the death certificate will say, suicide or communication breakdown? Hospitals rarely take accountability. On one hand I'm relieved for the man, and I also wonder if he had called EMS himself, maybe he wasn't fully intending on ending his life? I don't know. Then I think, any attempt is at least partly hoped to be final. He's free of this world, and no longer suffering.

Amen to hospitals rarely taking accountability...they lie like a rug at the best of times
Peace/hugs

 

[BizarreBazaar]

-there is an antidote, i think they are talking about activated charcoal or could be something else, but the important part is that its effective on the first hour, so if you really want to go, then make sure that you have at least some hours where no one can find you, and let me repeat myself, DON'T MAKE AN IMPULSIVE ATTEMPT, you will regret it even if you live.

Methylene blue.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Amen to hospitals rarely taking accountability...they lie like a rug at the best of times
Peace/hugs

I'm pretty afraid of them rushing to stop me when I want to die, I'll have to try to avoid calling an ambulance if that's the case, though

 

[a.n.kirillov]

At least he died. The title suggests that he had long term damage, or at least that's how I've read it. Is it really a problem if you change your mind and still die? Who knows of two weeks down the road you're back to wanting to ctb again...

 

[TowerUpright]

From what I've read, you have about 10-15 minutes before passing into unconsciousness. Meaning, if you change your mind afterwards, the window is not long before it's too late.

 

[JSauter]

I wonder if people change their minds because they decide they don't want to die at the last minute or because the agony of the dying process was too much

 

[Loner]

Won't be long before it's banned in the states with all this attention.

This happened in Britain though. Don't know, maybe they reported in the US. It's already difficult to get hold of SN in Britain. News like this is certainly not helping . I read a few reports on news sites about SN suicides. They were moaning about how "easy" you can get it here.

 

[bpdandme]

On my hospital release form I had sodium nitrate written on mine too, they must get confused often. It's so sad this person regretted their decision. I hope they are at peace. Hits home as that could have easily happened to me, they had no idea what sodium nitrite was so I was not a priority especially as such a small does of SN is needed they didn't realise how deadly it was.

 

[LadyApple]

On my hospital release form I had sodium nitrate written on mine too, they must get confused often. It's so sad this person regretted their decision. I hope they are at peace. Hits home as that could have easily happened to me, they had no idea what sodium nitrite was so I was not a priority especially as such a small does of SN is needed they didn't realise how deadly it was.

wow may I ask what happened? Did you feel any pain?

 

[bpdandme]

wow may I ask what happened? Did you feel any pain?

I think I would have gone through with it, but I drank 3/4 sips from the mixture and I didn't want anyone else to accidentally drink it or something, I just didn't want the mixture lying around so I went to pour it down the sink and caught my reflection in the mirror to see that I was incredible pale and blue. I panicked so much seeing myself like that so I called my brother for help. My heart rate was above 180 in the ambulance and for me that was the hardest part, I have anxiety but I have never experienced that high of a heart rate and that level of anxiousness. I didn't feel pain per say, it was more nausea and anxiety. I did have slight stomach pains but mainly felt like I was going to pass out and intense anxiety. I wouldn't say its "peaceful", it's not like you close your eyes and fall asleep straight away there is a big panic and uncomfortable feeling.

 

[Kumachan]

the thread title is misleading

 

[enjolras]

I wonder if people change their minds because they decide they don't want to die at the last minute or because the agony of the dying process was too much

Agony isn't the right word, but rarely a member disliked the symptoms enough that it was a trigger to realize his will to live, then call for rescue from there

 

[morningdew]

I never believed SN would be "peaceful". Just because some yahoo wrote a book and gave it a high rating on his "peaceful" scale doesn't make it true. I do believe that yahoo had good intentions and has helped people over the years but now seems to only be in it for profit.

 

[LMLN]

I never believed SN would be "peaceful". Just because some yahoo wrote a book and gave it a high rating on his "peaceful" scale doesn't make it true. I do believe that yahoo had good intentions and has helped people over the years but now seems to only be in it for profit.

I think in talks he has been pretty open about it being "relatively" peaceful. He has been open saying more data is needed, and that N is the most peaceful. I think most of us considering SN realize it's not perfectly peaceful, but getting N is not realistic for everyone.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I´m glad he is dead, he took the substance because he wanted to ctb but SI kicked in and almost screwed him over so now he doesn´t have to suffer anymore.

 

[LadyApple]

I think I would have gone through with it, but I drank 3/4 sips from the mixture and I didn't want anyone else to accidentally drink it or something, I just didn't want the mixture lying around so I went to pour it down the sink and caught my reflection in the mirror to see that I was incredible pale and blue. I panicked so much seeing myself like that so I called my brother for help. My heart rate was above 180 in the ambulance and for me that was the hardest part, I have anxiety but I have never experienced that high of a heart rate and that level of anxiousness. I didn't feel pain per say, it was more nausea and anxiety. I did have slight stomach pains but mainly felt like I was going to pass out and intense anxiety. I wouldn't say its "peaceful", it's not like you close your eyes and fall asleep straight away there is a big panic and uncomfortable feeling.

That was intense. I'm glad you are ok now. I hope you are doing well now and sending you lots of love and light.