failed attempt = inpatient psychiatric treatment?

[123die]

Hello!
You may have seen my recent post about hurting myself with the intention to receive help rather than die. If you didn't, maybe go take a look at that as it may make this post make more sense!
But I'm going to write this post under the idea that you are not going to look at my other post.
So. I'm trying to get better. I don't want to DIE, but I can't live *like this*. And no one around me, although they do care about me genuinely, is understanding the urgency of my situation. And I have come to the conclusion that it is because I am not 'ill enough' to receive the help I need. So I'm going to badly injure myself in an attempt to demonstrate to my loved ones that my state is in fact emergent, which they haven't been understanding (unfortunately, but it's a part of the system that we all live in).

Here is the question: if I overdose on sleeping pills, or jump from a few stories up and I don't die or am a vegetable for the rest of my life, if I were to explain the whole situation (see above for clarification) to the doctors and staff at whatever hospital I end up in, do you think I will still be made to have an extended stay on an inpatient psychiatric unit?

Here is some context for how - to my knowledge - the health care system in this context works where I live: I live in Canada (Ontario, for now). In most cases, if you, example, go to a hospital saying that you're going to kill yourself, that you have a plan, a day, etc etc, and the doctor deems you a danger to yourself, then you'll probably get what we call 'formed'. Getting formed is when the doctor puts you on a non-consensual 72 form that means that you have to stay in the hospital for a minimum of 72 hours for your own safety (or the safety of others) even if it's against your will, even if you're over 18 years old. After the 72 hours, in these cases, you can either leave the hospital or voluntarily stay in the hospital to receive psychiatric treatment. If you had already tried to commit suicide and you sustained any sort of physical damage that needed to be treated, I'd imagine that you would be being treated for the physical damage and then once healed put on at least a 72 hour form. I have heard that some people attempt suicide, are treated for their physical damages first and then put on an extended inpatient stay in a psychiatric unit (essentially, getting formed for an indeterminate amount of time). I hope that this explanation brings clarity to my question if it didn't make sense at first!

Thanks for reading <3

 

[NeCkDeEp]

Please do not hurt yourself badly to get some help.
Call a crisis line and tell them that you want to ctb, they CAN'T refuse to leave you like that if you tell them that you want to ctb now.

 

[123die]

Please do not hurt yourself badly to get some help.
Call a crisis line and tell them that you want to ctb, they CAN'T refuse to leave you like that if you tell them that you want to ctb now.

i think you might be missing the point a bit. I'm saying that I *don't* want to ctb. If i call a crisis line, I will end up in a psychiatric unit anyways and the entire goal of this idea will have been bypassed. The institutions - psychiatry, therapy, hospitals, etc - can't do anything for me.

 

[NeCkDeEp]

i think you might be missing the point a bit. I'm saying that I *don't* want to ctb. If i call a crisis line, I will end up in a psychiatric unit anyways and the entire goal of this idea will have been bypassed. The institutions - psychiatry, therapy, hospitals, etc - can't do anything for me.

I know that you don't want to ctb BUT you will end up most likely somewhere where they can help you if you'd play it like that.
Anyway I hope it goes well if you'd prefer to overdose or something else.

 

[jgm63]

Whether this whole plan is a good idea, I cannot say.

However, if you decided to do it, then :

For your particular situation, I would certainly advise against jumping.
That could have terrible irreversible consequences......

An overdose on over-the-counter pills that you can buy without prescription would usually be non-fatal.
However, you would need to double check everything for yourself and be very careful.

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. Things may seem hard, but with the right help they can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

 

[123die]

Whether this whole plan is a good idea, I cannot say.

However, if you decided to do it, then :

For your particular situation, I would certainly advise against jumping.
That could have terrible irreversible consequences......

An overdose on over-the-counter pills that you can buy without prescription would usually be non-fatal.
However, you would need to double check everything for yourself and be very careful.

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. Things may seem hard, but with the right help they can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

but jumping I'd only be jumping from three or four stories up, still strongly advising against it?
I've thought about the pills idea as well and like... yeah, nonfatal almost always, but not damaging enough.

i've been trying my best to find help and in the situation that I am in, help isn't looking very likely.

Whether this whole plan is a good idea, I cannot say.

However, if you decided to do it, then :

For your particular situation, I would certainly advise against jumping.
That could have terrible irreversible consequences......

An overdose on over-the-counter pills that you can buy without prescription would usually be non-fatal.
However, you would need to double check everything for yourself and be very careful.

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. Things may seem hard, but with the right help they can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

but jumping I'd only be jumping from three or four stories up, still strongly advising against it?
I've thought about the pills idea as well and like... yeah, nonfatal almost always, but not damaging enough.

i've been trying my best to find help and in the situation that I am in, help isn't looking very likely.

it isn't looking very likely outside of if i do something like this idea

 

[jgm63]

The problem with jumping is you'll either do minor damage (which might not have the effect you want) or probably pretty bad damage (which may have permanent effects that could be very undesirable, to say the least).

I thought the idea was just to make people realise you are in a bad state of mind.....
Would an OD not achieve that ?

Perhaps we don't understand all the various subtle factors of your situation.

Try to think carefully and logically.
If you're not sure of your own plan, then perhaps that's a sign that it may not be a good plan....

But if you think you've come up with a good plan, then share it with us, and we can try to see if it sounds sensible....

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. Things may seem hard, but with the right help they can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

 

[123die]

The problem with jumping is you'll either do minor damage (which might not have the effect you want) or probably pretty bad damage (which may have permanent effects that could be very undesirable, to say the least).

I thought the idea was just to make people realise you are in a bad state of mind.....
Would an OD not achieve that ?

Perhaps we don't understand all the various subtle factors of your situation.

Try to think carefully and logically.
If you're not sure of your own plan, then perhaps that's a sign that it may not be a good plan....

But if you think you've come up with a good plan, then share it with us, and we can try to see if it sounds sensible....

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. Things may seem hard, but with the right help they can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

well technically they already do know they just don't seem to understand the extent of it. i'm gonna pm you with more details cuz i dont feel comfortable putting it all in a thread!

 

[Retard]

I apologise in advance if I've missed/overlooked anything you've mentioned; haven't slept in a few days and so have poor attention to detail at the moment.

Can only speak on my experiences in the UK, but whenever I've been queried on attempts/intentions in the past they chose not to commit me to a psych ward because they believed it would interfere with my routine which provides some stability and security (i.e. going to work and other things), and so so I don't know if you would find a similar attitude in Canada, and whether you're in a similar situation routine-wise . I'm autistic and they were aware of this diagnosis though; not sure if that had any impact on their decision.

I sincerely hope you get the help you need and deserve.

 

[Emily123]

If you want to hurt yourself to get people's attention , You are mentaly sick and you need to get help from psychologist(You have an unrealistic expection that somebody love you when she/he has no reason to love) . Suicide is for some one who really wants to die . Any attempt like that can end up to permanet disability or death .

 

[Return2Dust]

If you take an overdose and destroy your liver or kidneys, then you'll have a whole new set of problems. If you jump and break a bunch of bones in the lower half of your body, that would be a disaster too. Neither scenario gets you an extended stay in the psych ward. Have you visited people in a psych ward? It's not really a place you want to stay for an extended period of time.

 

[Azzy69]

why go to such an extreme length just to show others you are hurting? It's your choice, but in my opinion it would be more logical to discuss your feelings with those around you to a greater extent, and then they will take you more seriously. However, if you are extremely adament on injuring yourself, you could always tell somebody that you TRIED to commit suicide (pretend), and you failed. Just make sure your story is straight and there is evidence of an attempt occuring. (i.e. rope burn or half empty bottle of pills). If you go down the pill route make sure you wait a short period of time as they would have 'flushed out of your system'. No need to injure yourself, just go around it with another perspective. Good luck friend

 

[Fragile]

i don't advice that you do any of this, some overdoses and other methods can leave permanent damage and if you really want to get better, then trying this is the last thing you want.

one thing that you can try is to acquire obvious methods of CTB like a rope or something without actually attempting and maybe raise some red flags around your family, this puts suicide ideation into suicide planing territory and no psychiatrist can ignore something like this.

please reconsider attempting to CTB only as a way to get help, i know that you don't actually want to die but if you want to live and get better, then doing this to yourself will only bring more damage to heal from and also quite a bit of trauma to your family.

 

[Hank]

Hello!
You may have seen my recent post about hurting myself with the intention to receive help rather than die. If you didn't, maybe go take a look at that as it may make this post make more sense!
But I'm going to write this post under the idea that you are not going to look at my other post.
So. I'm trying to get better. I don't want to DIE, but I can't live *like this*. And no one around me, although they do care about me genuinely, is understanding the urgency of my situation. And I have come to the conclusion that it is because I am not 'ill enough' to receive the help I need. So I'm going to badly injure myself in an attempt to demonstrate to my loved ones that my state is in fact emergent, which they haven't been understanding (unfortunately, but it's a part of the system that we all live in).

Here is the question: if I overdose on sleeping pills, or jump from a few stories up and I don't die or am a vegetable for the rest of my life, if I were to explain the whole situation (see above for clarification) to the doctors and staff at whatever hospital I end up in, do you think I will still be made to have an extended stay on an inpatient psychiatric unit?

Here is some context for how - to my knowledge - the health care system in this context works where I live: I live in Canada (Ontario, for now). In most cases, if you, example, go to a hospital saying that you're going to kill yourself, that you have a plan, a day, etc etc, and the doctor deems you a danger to yourself, then you'll probably get what we call 'formed'. Getting formed is when the doctor puts you on a non-consensual 72 form that means that you have to stay in the hospital for a minimum of 72 hours for your own safety (or the safety of others) even if it's against your will, even if you're over 18 years old. After the 72 hours, in these cases, you can either leave the hospital or voluntarily stay in the hospital to receive psychiatric treatment. If you had already tried to commit suicide and you sustained any sort of physical damage that needed to be treated, I'd imagine that you would be being treated for the physical damage and then once healed put on at least a 72 hour form. I have heard that some people attempt suicide, are treated for their physical damages first and then put on an extended inpatient stay in a psychiatric unit (essentially, getting formed for an indeterminate amount of time). I hope that this explanation brings clarity to my question if it didn't make sense at first!

Thanks for reading <3

I think you have unrealistic expectations of what someone or some organization can/will do for you.

If you have problems, then those are your problems. That may sound harsh, but it is the reality. You have to deal with them, and hopefully with some help from others.

If you think that that kind of cry will help to suddenly make the world care, then you are wrong. They will see you as a suicidal case, and treat you like one. People that have to help you, because of their profession will help you according to their guidelines. And they do it as a job, and you are one of the many, with problems, that they see every day. As for your family, They can't do more then they can do. If you are suicidal, or at least pretend to be, they have to leave you to the professionals.

You should not expect everything offered to you on silver platter once you show them you want to kill yourself. The world does not only rotates because you exist. Again, I don't want to sound harsh, or it is not meant in a mean way. It's just how reality works.

I don't know your situation, but if you have psychological problems, then ask for professional help for that. Analise for yourself what parts are the problem of that " I can't live *like this* ". what are the components of " this" that you can not handle? Perhaps write it down on paper, so you can make an honest overview of your problems and what you want.

Then look at what is realistic or not. Perhaps go over it with someone you trust and you can talk about.

 

[123die]

If you want to hurt yourself to get people's attention , You are mentaly sick and you need to get help from psychologist(You have an unrealistic expection that somebody love you when she/he has no reason to love) . Suicide is for some one who really wants to die . Any attempt like that can end up to permanet disability or death .

are you kidding me right now? as i said, it's not for attention. did you not read my original post? and, do you actually think that anybody on this site is 'sane'??? not a nice thing to read, thanks.

If you take an overdose and destroy your liver or kidneys, then you'll have a whole new set of problems. If you jump and break a bunch of bones in the lower half of your body, that would be a disaster too. Neither scenario gets you an extended stay in the psych ward. Have you visited people in a psych ward? It's not really a place you want to stay for an extended period of time.

seems you didn't actually read my post. i *don't* want to end up in a psych ward, that's the whole point.

I think you have unrealistic expectations of what someone or some organization can/will do for you.

If you have problems, then those are your problems. That may sound harsh, but it is the reality. You have to deal with them, and hopefully with some help from others.

If you think that that kind of cry will help to suddenly make the world care, then you are wrong. They will see you as a suicidal case, and treat you like one. People that have to help you, because of their profession will help you according to their guidelines. And they do it as a job, and you are one of the many, with problems, that they see every day. As for your family, They can't do more then they can do. If you are suicidal, or at least pretend to be, they have to leave you to the professionals.

You should not expect everything offered to you on silver platter once you show them you want to kill yourself. The world does not only rotates because you exist. Again, I don't want to sound harsh, or it is not meant in a mean way. It's just how reality works.

I don't know your situation, but if you have psychological problems, then ask for professional help for that. Analise for yourself what parts are the problem of that " I can't live *like this* ". what are the components of " this" that you can not handle? Perhaps write it down on paper, so you can make an honest overview of your problems and what you want.

Then look at what is realistic or not. Perhaps go over it with someone you trust and you can talk about.

okay. this is where i'm tearing in. 1. im not relying on any organization. im not expecting an organization to help me, im not wanting an organization to help me. you really didn't read my original post did you. 2. the world is a biiiiig generalization, my guy. i dont think the world cares about me, i think that my close friends and family do and they aren't currently understanding my situation. 3. excuse me? 'the world doesn't rotate because I exist'??? saying this to someone who's hurting like this is pretty fucked up. don't want to sound harsh? sure. that's believable. looks to me like you're taking out your own negative feelings and low self esteem on whoever you can! REAL NICE. 4. as i already said: i. dont. want. help. from. DOCTORS!!!!!!!! doctors do not understand, they never have, they never will. doctors are a large part of why so many of my people die for no reason. they call us crazy, they call us savage. pain? you're native, so you don't get treatment. is basically how health care is when you're an indigenous person. AND I ALREADY SAID THAT I DONT NEED OR WANT 'HELP' FROM A GODDAMN INSTITUTION. they can't help. institutions, like the government, are why i'm in so much in the first place. i already know what my problems are and what i need. the problems - white men. stealing my land, stripping my culture, and separating my people time and time again. what i need? for colonization to never have happened.
im not going to apologize for going off because this was an awful response and that isn't what this place is for. you need to be nicer. and read stuff more thoroughly before shooting your mouth off.
last thing - are you a white man? cause you sound about as awful as one.

 

[Hank]

are you kidding me right now? as i said, it's not for attention. did you not read my original post? and, do you actually think that anybody on this site is 'sane'??? not a nice thing to read, thanks.



seems you didn't actually read my post. i *don't* want to end up in a psych ward, that's the whole point.



okay. this is where i'm tearing in. 1. im not relying on any organization. im not expecting an organization to help me, im not wanting an organization to help me. you really didn't read my original post did you. 2. the world is a biiiiig generalization, my guy. i dont think the world cares about me, i think that my close friends and family do and they aren't currently understanding my situation. 3. excuse me? 'the world doesn't rotate because I exist'??? saying this to someone who's hurting like this is pretty fucked up. don't want to sound harsh? sure. that's believable. looks to me like you're taking out your own negative feelings and low self esteem on whoever you can! REAL NICE. 4. as i already said: i. dont. want. help. from. DOCTORS!!!!!!!! doctors do not understand, they never have, they never will. doctors are a large part of why so many of my people die for no reason. they call us crazy, they call us savage. pain? you're native, so you don't get treatment. is basically how health care is when you're an indigenous person. AND I ALREADY SAID THAT I DONT NEED OR WANT 'HELP' FROM A GODDAMN INSTITUTION. they can't help. institutions, like the government, are why i'm in so much in the first place. i already know what my problems are and what i need. the problems - white men. stealing my land, stripping my culture, and separating my people time and time again. what i need? for colonization to never have happened.
im not going to apologize for going off because this was an awful response and that isn't what this place is for. you need to be nicer. and read stuff more thoroughly before shooting your mouth off.
last thing - are you a white man? cause you sound about as awful as one.

Well, you probably know as well that your problem might be real, but what you want, nl. " for colonization to never have happened", is not realistic. It happened, just like many civilizations conquered other civilizations in the past. This is not restricted to white man. Almost every race did this, on smaller and larger scale, somewhere in history.

A single person can not change that. These are big problems that a single man can not solve. Perhaps if you stick together and are close to your own people/family and can talk about this, that would help. But since you are here, saying that they don't understand how serious it is, they probably have their own problems to deal with. Perhaps putting you energy in helping them, and yourself, the best you can might help with communication. But I really don't know.

All I am saying is that if you try to OD on pills, or jump from some building to show your family how serious you mean it, it won't benefit you. Don't damage your body, and the trust your family might have in you, for that reason. It won't solve anything, it will even make things worse.

btw color is just a matter of visual perception. It doesn't even exist, since it has no physical significance.