Explained: Why the need for a positive liberty right (when negative liberty rights are impinged)

[TAW122]

In many previous threads I have discussed about how positive and negative liberties rights are important and one of the core, most important things is just to prevent the State (or any entity, third party with power) from impinging or infringing on said right(s), without provocation or good reason. However, this thread is to explain the logic and concept behind negative and positive liberty rights to help people understand the need for the right to die and the reality in which we live in. As a quick, brief recap, here are the definitions of positive and negative liberty rights in simple terms. A positive liberty right is a right that is granted by another entity (in this case, the State) for the individual or collective (group). A negative liberty right is a right to be free from impingement and is not explicitly granted by another entity (the State), in other words, freedom from interference or constraints by others (the State, other parties, other people, etc.).

The situation as follows (in modern day reality):
So here is the situation and perhaps it is preaching to the choir to some degree, but most of us already know we live in a pro-life, prohibitive society, especially when it comes to the right to die on our own terms. In an utopic reality though, there would not be the need for a positive liberty right and no one is obligated (not even the State) to provide one (which I don't fully agree with as I fully support the right to die being a positive liberty right, but I digress… that's a different topic for another thread), but one's individual rights, especially their negative liberty rights would be honored and not infringed, interfered, or impinged upon.

Nevertheless in our current reality, not only do we not have a guarantee of freedom from impingement on our negative liberty rights (especially when it comes to the right to die on our own terms), the fact that we have to act in secrecy and even take great risks with DIY (all while avoiding others that may try to intrude, impinge, or otherwise interfere with our exercise of said liberty, notwithstanding all other factors and circumstances…), means that we DON'T currently have our negative liberty rights, and therefore, the demand for the positive liberty right (MAID, Death with Dignity, Dignitas, and similar organizations, processes, policies, programs, etc.) is needed as a solution and remedy for the lack of guaranteed negative liberty rights.

So in summary and conclusion, this thread explains the logic behind why there is a need for a positive liberty right, especially when negative liberty rights are not (truly and realistically) honored, respected. There shouldn't necessarily be an obligation for a positive liberty right if there are negative liberty rights (especially if they are honored), but in reality because negative liberty rights are NOT honored, the obligation for a positive liberty right becomes a necessity, which is a solution to a problem that is created even though in an more utopic universe, said problem would never have existed nor been a thing if there was simply just respect for negative liberty rights! In our current reality because we don't have either (in most jurisdictions and even those who have MAID or similar programs are often narrow in criteria and limited in practical applications – those who are terminally ill or near death and still a lot of red tape, hoops to jump through), thus we have people who suffer or try to escape (either succeeding (some) or failing (most) their attempts) and causing collateral damage for the survivors. There would not be a need or necessity if we merely don't have the State (or any third party with power or authority) to impinge on our negative liberty rights!

 

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we all had the right and ability to move away from extreme suffering or unbearable pain in a guaranteed , painless , quick easy way .

Any human can fall into a trap of extreme suffering any day. 1.6 million people in the USA alone attempt suicide every year ( in 2022 this many did). but they attempted with risky maybe painful diy suicide methods .

we all had the ability and right to escape extreme suffering . all we had to do was pay someone to aid us with suicide. it's a million times more reliable and easier than diy risky painful suicide methods.

the only reasons we can't hire someone else to help us escape unbearable pain or move away from torture is because government monsters made that and every guaranteed suicide method into crimes. government monsters wrote laws that made all that crimes. they weren't crimes before they wrote and passed those laws.

same as heroin and morphine were legal in the USA before they passed laws to make them crimes.


for example i should be able to hire someone to inject me with Nembutal , fentanyl , morphine or shoot me in the back of the head with a shotgun or rifle 10 times if need be. but i can't because no one will take the risk of going to prison even if i offer them $1000 to shoot me in the head. they made that a crime even though i want it and need that service and someone would be willing to do it for that money or even less maybe even $200.

They stole our most important rights to move away from pain, to choose how and when we escape this hell prison world and evil life. they made this world into a worse prison. they also took our right to own our body , to decide what the ultimate decision in our life is , they made us slaves. and everyone is ok with this. not me

it seems everyone is ok to not be able to move away from unbearable pain even though there are many ways to do that if they hadn't made those into crimes like hiring someone to aid you with suicide, Nembutal ,suicide booths kits like the sarco, fentanyl , cyanide capsules.