Help Exit bag info needed

[damienralph]

Hi. Can anyone tell me what size helium cylinder I would need to effectively use the exit bag method? I have very little money so the smaller the better for me. I've seen one for £370 with another £40 for the regulator but this is a bit out of my price range.

 

[ContinuousJump]

Please read these two threads for ideas.

Unfortunately, the inert gas method isn't super cheap, but I'd think you could do better than the prices you've found (the cylinder especially).

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

 

[damienralph]

Cheers for that mate. I think that maybe argon or nitrogen works out cheaper. I can get a 20l cylinder for about £100. The mega thread says you need 600 litres of the gas to effectively check out but I don't know how much gas is in a 20l cylinder. The pics all show the person sat there with what looks like a 20l cylinder but I'm terrified that I'll try that and it'll fail or worse case scenario leave me with brain damage. I can't have it fail I just can't

 

[bennay]

Cheers for that mate. I think that maybe argon or nitrogen works out cheaper. I can get a 20l cylinder for about £100. The mega thread says you need 600 litres of the gas to effectively check out but I don't know how much gas is in a 20l cylinder. The pics all show the person sat there with what looks like a 20l cylinder but I'm terrified that I'll try that and it'll fail or worse case scenario leave me with brain damage. I can't have it fail I just can't

20L is 20 liters, not enough to ctb. It's said that you need 15 liters per minute for 30-40 minutes to work. Unless you're meaning 20 cu ft? Which would be roughly 580 liters of gas.

 

[damienralph]

20l is the size of the cylinder. I've looked into it and a 20l cylinder has 300bar (300l) of gas inside it

 

[bennay]

20l is the size of the cylinder. I've looked into it and a 20l cylinder has 300bar (300l) of gas inside it

Gotcha! I feel so bad that these methods are becoming so expensive! For me, I'd get a 40 cu ft tank to be safe but it's not cheap to obtain.

 

[Apricity]

Nitrogen is cheaper and more abundant than helium.

 

[damienralph]

Jesus Christ it totally is just looked and it's about a tenth of the price! Cheers mate

 

[Robin]

Prost für diesen Kumpel. Ich denke, dass vielleicht Argon oder Stickstoff billiger sind. Ich bekomme einen 20l-Zylinder für etwa 100€. Der Mega-Thread sagt, dass Sie 600 Liter Gas benötigen, um effektiv zu überprüfen, aber ich weiß nicht, wie viel Gas in einer 20-Liter-Flasche ist. Die Bilder zeigen alle, dass die Person mit einem 20-Liter-Zylinder da saß, aber ich habe Angst, dass ich das versuche und es scheitert oder im schlimmsten Fall einen Hirnschaden hinterlässt. Ich kann es nicht scheitern lassen, ich kann es einfach nicht

10liter×200bar sind 2000 Liter


20 liter = 4000 liter

 

[damienralph]

Cheers for your help robin much appreciated

10liter×200bar sind 2000 Liter


20 liter = 4000 liter

Hey mate are you sure in your calculations? I thought 200bar is 200litres

 

[Apricity]

Jesus Christ it totally is just looked and it's about a tenth of the price! Cheers mate

Got my whole setup for about 300usd

 

[Robin]

Prost für deine Hilfe, Rotkehlchen sehr geschätzt

Hey Kumpel, bist du dir mit deinen Berechnungen sicher? Ich dachte 200bar sind

Ja bin mir sicher frag bei deinem gas Lieferanten gerne nach

 

[ContinuousJump]

The mega thread says you need 600 litres of the gas to effectively check out but I don't know how much gas is in a 20l cylinder.

The PPH (kind of the gold standard) says – as an absolute minimum, with no margin for error – one needs 15 lpm flow (of uncompressed gas) for 15 minutes.

20L is 20 liters, not enough to ctb.

Yeah, as has already been clarified, in Europe they seem to sell cylinders by their "internal volume" (how much water one could pour into a tank uncompressed) instead of as in the US "uncompressed gas volume" (how much gas one can expect to come out, uncompressed).

 

[Chisel]

I'm very much confused as to how to convert the 15-17lpm to either psi or bar pressure for UK regulators.
If anyone knows this would be much help.

 

[Originaldon]

I'm very much confused as to how to convert the 15-17lpm to either psi or bar pressure for UK regulators.
If anyone knows this would be much help.

You can't it does not convert.

 

[Chisel]

No it doesn't, but I found that Argon regulators come with LPM. So I've gone for one of them instead.
I saw someone stated that for N2 to be used with Argon regulator LPM needs to be turned down to around 13 though.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

You'll be unconscious within a few breaths on any inert gas. And be dead within minutes.

 

[Apricity]

I'm very much confused as to how to convert the 15-17lpm to either psi or bar pressure for UK regulators.
If anyone knows this would be much help.

The bar/psi readings are for the pressure regulator. A flow meter is needed for lpm readings. You can either purchase one separately or get a regulator with a built-in flow meter.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

No it doesn't, but I found that Argon regulators come with LPM. So I've gone for one of them instead.
I saw someone stated that for N2 to be used with Argon regulator LPM needs to be turned down to around 13 though.

I have the Argon regulator for my Nitrogen set up. Like you say it just needs a slight adjustment. I have a picture in my past posts if you want to look.

 

[Chisel]

It's almost same as the one I ordered.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

It's almost same as the one I ordered. View attachment 75631

Looks good.
Is this the Argon one like my one.

 

[Chisel]

Yes this is the argon one. Comes with nice little pipe fitting too.
Most stuff I have now, just waiting on this regulator and then just need to write some letters and it'll be time.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Wicked.
Just noticed the pipe fitting in the photo. Proves I don't look properly Lol. Have you ordered the hose yet or are you like me. I ordered one at a time just incase they all came together.

 

[Chisel]

Yes have my hose. Cylinder, bag ready.
Just waiting for opportunity now.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Happy days. I'm like you. All set and ready. I'm not nervous about when it happens. Just nervous if for some reason it does not work.

 

[Chisel]

I'm not nervous either. Hoping I've done due diligence and I have no issues.
I'm ready to go. Life can find another punching bag.