Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[outrider567]

My Complete EEBD N2 Method
This is my full plan, from start to finish. I need to follow it exactly.
I put this together to remember everything and because I'm seeking feedback ,criticism.Be as critical as you can please.

Phase 1: Equipment and Setup
My Gear:

N2 cylinder, regulator, Scott ELSA EEBD hood, and hose(orange hood)
My outdoor recliner.
My two-piece luggage strap with click buckle.
Two stretch cord straps for my wrists.
Two regular luggage straps for my legs.
Leak detection fluid(Snoop is safest?) and a spanner.
Clear, lightweight, reinforced 6mm ID hose (80g/100m), 2.5m long.(roughly 1/4" ID)
6mm OD Dual-barb connector and Oetiker stelpless single ear clamps and Knipex clamp tool.

My Hose Setup:
For my setup, I cut off the original connector(used hose cutter) from the EEBD's 1m hose and used a dual-barb to join it to my own extension hose.

Connecting to the EEBD: I pushed the new hose onto one side of the dual-barb and what was left of the original EEBD hose onto the other. To secure it, I used one Oetiker clamp on each end of the dual-barb and crimped them down tight.
Connecting to the Regulator: The other end of my 2.5m hose pushed straight onto the built-in barb on my flowmeter regulator. For extra security at this critical point, I used two Oetiker clamps on the connection to the regulator output.
The whole setup is now a single, lightweight, and sealed line from the regulator to the hood.

Leak Test (Do this way before):

Cylinder valve CLOSED, regulator OFF. Hand-tighten regulator, then give it a half-turn with the spanner.
Squirt leak fluid on the regulator joint. Crack the cylinder valve 1/4 turn. Look for bubbles. If it bubbles,
After you have safely released the pressure using the Close Cylinder Valve -> Turn Regulator Knob OFF -> Wait sequence, you can now address the leak.

Here is the next step:

Step 4: Fix the Leak

• Loosen the Connection: Use the spanner to loosen the leaking connection (either the regulator-to-cylinder or the hose-to-EEBD).
• Inspect and Re-seat: Carefully inspect the surfaces. Make sure there is no dirt or damage on the threads or the sealing faces. Re-seat the connection, ensuring it is perfectly straight.
• Re-tighten: Hand-tighten the connection first. Then, use the spanner to tighten it further. For the regulator-to-cylinder connection, a good rule of thumb is no more than one full turn after the parts make contact. Do not overtighten, as this can damage the seals.

Step 5: Re-test for Leaks

You must test the connection again to ensure you have fixed it.

• Apply Leak Solution: Apply fresh leak detection solution to the connection you just tightened.
• Crack the Valve: Slowly open the cylinder valve just a small amount (about 1/4 turn).
• Observe for Bubbles:Watch the connection carefully.
  • If there are NO bubbles: The leak is fixed. You can proceed to test the next connection or finalize the setup.
  • If there are STILL bubbles: The leak persists. You may have a damaged washer, a cross-threaded connection, or a faulty part. In this case, you would repeat the depressurization process and try again, or you may need to replace a component.

Open the valve more, set flow to 25 LPM. Squirt fluid on the hose-to-hood connection. Look for bubbles.
If I find a leak, do as earlier(I have to release the pressure: Close valve, turn regulator OFF, wait for the hissing to stop etc).
Ensure no leaks!.

Phase 2 My Meds
Day Before: A standard dose of a triptan for migraine prevention.
Day Of (counting down to zero):
-3 to -2 hours: A standard dose of an extended-release opioid analgesic.
-2 hours: A maximal dose PPI (e.g., esomeprazole).
-1 hour: A standard dose of a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic (Z-drug).
-1 to -2 hours: A standard dose of a prokinetic agent (e.g., domperidone).
-45 minutes: My regular dose of a LABA/LAMA/ICS combo inhaler and 40-60ml of a liquid antacid.
-30 minutes: 2-4 puffs of a SABA rescue inhaler.
Important: Don't crush any of these pills.

Phase 3: Getting Set Up and Restrained
Set my chair to a 45-degree angle. Get the N2 and hood where I can reach them.
Strap my legs to the chair with the two luggage straps. Snug, not tight.
Do the wrist/torso strap setup (the loop-through method):
Take the two wrist loops, hold them together.
Feed the ends of my click-buckle luggage strap through both loops.
Wrap the whole thing around my hips, low on my waist.
Bring the two buckle halves together in my lap. Do not click them yet. Just hold them together.
Do a final check. Make sure I can still reach the N2 valve.
Phase 4: The Final Procedure
Hold the hood up and let it fill with N2.
Take one last deep breath of air.
Put my head into the hood.
Breathe out all the way, inside the hood. The exhaust valve will handle the CO2.
Get the inner mask sealed tight on my face.
Take my first deep breath of N2.
As I'm breathing, bring my hands down and click the waist buckle shut. This locks everything.
Put my hands in my lap and just keep breathing.
Phase 5: The Timeline
Out in a bit!.
Gone in 4-6 minutes.

I'm not sure if I got the leak testing pressure release method right?.
In fact I'm not sure about any of this! Lol ,just doing my best atm so please, please let me know if something seems wrong.
The harsher the criticism the better).
I'm not encouraging anyone by posting this ,I'm asking for views,thoughts,criticisms because I have nerological issues and find it hard to think etc.

Same with me but no drugs

 

[sm1the]

Same with me but no drugs

I should have have said-the meds I'm just taking as a Precaution.However, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if it's necessary for me with these issues.
(or even detrimental to the success of the method!.)
I figured I would do everything I can to maximise a successful result and settled unless I find the meds should be changed or discarded completely.
I would love some input by others on what they think!.

Do you have any of the same conditions I do?

 

[outrider567]

I should have have said-the meds I'm just taking as a Precaution.However, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if it's necessary for me with these issues.
(or even detrimental to the success of the method!.)
I figured I would do everything I can to maximise a successful result and settled unless I find the meds should be changed or discarded completely.
I would love some input by others on what they think!.

Do you have any of the same conditions I do?

No, nothing physically wrong with me

 

[sm1the]

I'm a bit worried that the small outdoor shed I'm using will let all the sound out coming from my nitrogen regulator, cylinder.
My closest neighbour is 1m away!.

Has anyone considered using a sound absorbing blanket to reduce Nitrogen (exit bag,EEBD etc)regulator noise ?.

You can also substitute blanket with sound absorbing panels,foam etc if it applies.

Anyone seen any discussion on SaSu about this?, I can't seem to find anything (maybe I'm not imputing correct search terms?).

I literally have everything ready except a few little things(or big depending on how u look at it).Im in too much pain to have - 2nd thoughts,fear,SI..

My only fear- fear of failure.

 

[devils~advocate]

I'm a bit worried that the small outdoor shed I'm using will let all the sound out coming from my nitrogen regulator, cylinder.
My closest neighbour is 1m away!.

Has anyone considered using a sound absorbing blanket to reduce Nitrogen (exit bag,EEBD etc)regulator noise ?.

You can also substitute blanket with sound absorbing panels,foam etc if it applies.

Anyone seen any discussion on SaSu about this?, I can't seem to find anything (maybe I'm not imputing correct search terms?).

I literally have everything ready except a few little things(or big depending on how u look at it).Im in too much pain to have - 2nd thoughts,fear,SI..

My only fear- fear of failure.

Have you tested the system you have to see what kind and loudness of sound it makes?
I don't know if the sound levels would be anything to worry about....I just don't think it would make all that much.
But those sound dampening blankets are used for recording studios etc and they work great.

 

[outrider567]

I'm a bit worried that the small outdoor shed I'm using will let all the sound out coming from my nitrogen regulator, cylinder.
My closest neighbour is 1m away!.

Has anyone considered using a sound absorbing blanket to reduce Nitrogen (exit bag,EEBD etc)regulator noise ?.

You can also substitute blanket with sound absorbing panels,foam etc if it applies.

Anyone seen any discussion on SaSu about this?, I can't seem to find anything (maybe I'm not imputing correct search terms?).

I literally have everything ready except a few little things(or big depending on how u look at it).Im in too much pain to have - 2nd thoughts,fear,SI..

My only fear- fear of failure.

I have a huge 69 lb tank, with a click style regulator and it hardly makes any noise at all

 

[sm1the]

Hey ,that's interesting because I didn't think those were quiet(click style).
I have been looking for any way to suppress the sound a bit and I came across info on how different regulator types/brands/models (for n2) all have varying noise levels.
Dual/multi stage with large diaphragms have very low noise.
Additionally if you attach a flowmeter separately(ie. not built in) the noise is less there too.
I did just get another (my 4th! lol) dual stage regulator, separate flowmeter.
It was expensive!.
(To replace cheaper dual stage with attached flowmeter regulator I already have).

 

[sm1the]

Have you tested the system you have to see what kind and loudness of sound it makes?
I don't know if the sound levels would be anything to worry about....I just don't think it would make all that much.
But those sound dampening blankets are used for recording studios etc and they work great.

No,I haven't and I've never used any gas before for anything .
I think tin sheds(or aluminium)will let any noise out .
I was initially planning on using the blankets to wrap the regulator but I found out this freeze the regulator, apparently(?).
While on this Ai says if you run gas for over 30 to 60mins it will freeze and damage the regulator and/or valve.I dont know if its making stuff up or not.
Now I was thinking of simply hanging 2 sound curtains on 2 sides.

 

[devils~advocate]

No,I haven't and I've never used any gas before for anything .
I think tin sheds(or aluminium)will let any noise out .
I was initially planning on using the blankets to wrap the regulator but I found out this freeze the regulator, apparently(?).
While on this Ai says if you run gas for over 30 to 60mins it will freeze and damage the regulator and/or valve.I dont know if its making stuff up or not.
Now I was thinking of simply hanging 2 sound curtains on 2 sides.

I don't think the sound will be an issue. From what Ive read, N gas can freeze a regulator, but if there is a high flow.
Used in the purpose of this discussion, the flow is relatively minimal.

 

[sm1the]

I don't think the sound will be an issue. From what Ive read, N gas can freeze a regulator, but if there is a high flow.
Used in the purpose of this discussion, the flow is relatively minimal.

I'm using 25lpm though with EEBD.
I don't know if this considered high or not?.

 

[devils~advocate]

I'm using 25lpm though with EEBD.
I don't know if this considered high or not?.

What kind of regulator is being used? one or two stage? Is there a photo?

 

[outrider567]

I'm using 25lpm though with EEBD.
I don't know if this considered high or not?.

25 lpm is considered standard, 15 to 25 are the flow rates most often used, I'm using 25 lpm also, Vizzy on the Inert Gas Mega Thread used 20 lpm successfully

 

[devils~advocate]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-n2-setup.238684/#post-3445393

If freezing is a concern, can always use an activated hand warmer that is taped to the regulator or some sort of bottle warmer wrap.

 

[sm1the]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-n2-setup.238684/#post-3445393

If freezing is a concern, can always use an activated hand warmer that is taped to the regulator or some sort of bottle warmer wrap.

I wasn't concerned with it till the "uncensored" Ai stated it. Since then I have read that it may happen but it depends on several factors like external humidity.Severity also varies.
I dont know whether to be worried about this and try and counter it some how or not.
I haven't seen anyone mention it on here or in regards to CTB either.
Its worth noting that if you use a bigger cylinder with 4000l of gas for example, then it will theoretically run for 160 minutes @ 25lpm , that may cause freezing and damage to regulator or cylinder valve (obviously u are long gone by then) but I still dont want it to become dangerous for others,this is my main concern.

What kind of regulator is being used? one or two stage? Is there a photo?

Harris
821 NIT Reg 0-50LPM, Rear Inlet


821Z03550LN

I think this is allowed since its just an industrial regulator?
If not please let me know.

 

[devils~advocate]

I wasn't concerned with it till the "uncensored" Ai stated it. Since then I have read that it may happen but it depends on several factors like external humidity.Severity also varies.
I dont know whether to be worried about this and try and counter it some how or not.
I haven't seen anyone mention it on here or in regards to CTB either.
Its worth noting that if you use a bigger cylinder with 4000l of gas for example, then it will theoretically run for 160 minutes @ 25lpm , that may cause freezing and damage to regulator or cylinder valve (obviously u are long gone by then) but I still dont want it to become dangerous for others,this is my main concern.

Harris
821 NIT Reg 0-50LPM, Rear Inlet


821Z03550LN

I think this is allowed since its just an industrial regulator?
If not please let me know.

Some (for welding) have used activated hand warmers or bottle warmers placed over the regulator.
This particular regulator has a flow rated to 50 lpm, so it being used for <25 lpm would be about half its rated usage, this should be fine.
I couldnt find any information if it is single or two stage. But you might be able to find out, none the less, I dont think its an issue.
Like you said, this is only needed for 15-20 minutes at the most.

 

[sm1the]

Some (for welding) have used activated hand warmers or bottle warmers placed over the regulator.
This particular regulator has a flow rated to 50 lpm, so it being used for <25 lpm would be about half its rated usage, this should be fine.
I couldnt find any information if it is single or two stage. But you might be able to find out, none the less, I dont think its an issue.
Like you said, this is only needed for 15-20 minutes at the most.

This one is single stage.

I actually have a dual stage n2 regulator with built in flowmeter as well.its a budget model(~$100).
I got it it specifically because it was dual stage(with integrated flowmeter).
I thought it would be more accurate.
But since then I found premium ones like Harris have bigger diaphragms and apparently its a better choice than a lower quality dual stage(of course I have no idea!).

I THINK the Harris may also be quieter than the dual stage one(usually vice versa I think).

One other thing is now I can lay the cylinder on the ground because the Harris uses a dial flowmeter not ball tube.Although this is less accurate.
If you are using an EEBD with exhaust valve like Scott ELSA,
should you try and breathe initially with your mouth?
If you are using an EEBD with exhaust valve (like Scott ELSA),
should you try and breathe initially with your mouth?
I guess the same question MAY apply to other Inert gas methods?.
I dont know how I would feel about using hand warmers,is it safe to do this?
I know there's nothing flammable but still

They do have purpose built electric warmers u clip on to the regulator stem(?) but that's another hazard to leave unattended for ppl still living.

 

[devils~advocate]

This one is single stage.

I actually have a dual stage n2 regulator with built in flowmeter as well.its a budget model(~$100).
I got it it specifically because it was dual stage(with integrated flowmeter).
I thought it would be more accurate.
But since then I found premium ones like Harris have bigger diaphragms and apparently its a better choice than a lower quality dual stage(of course I have no idea!).

I THINK the Harris may also be quieter than the dual stage one(usually vice versa I think).

One other thing is now I can lay the cylinder on the ground because the Harris uses a dial flowmeter not ball tube.Although this is less accurate.
If you are using an EEBD with exhaust valve like Scott ELSA,
should you try and breathe initially with your mouth?
If you are using an EEBD with exhaust valve (like Scott ELSA),
should you try and breathe initially with your mouth?
I guess the same question MAY apply to other Inert gas methods?.
I dont know how I would feel about using hand warmers,is it safe to do this?
I know there's nothing flammable but still

They do have purpose built electric warmers u clip on to the regulator stem(?) but that's another hazard to leave unattended for ppl still living.

I think since this regulator is a higher quality and the flow using is about half its capacity, freezing might be a non-issue.
The welders have said they use activated hand warmers with no issues. They eventually stop activating and cool down.
Can you give a manuf & model number for the dual stage regulator? Im curious about it.
Maybe initial breaths by mouth might be warranted. I assume one can get more volume than by nasal intake.

 

[sm1the]

I think since this regulator is a higher quality and the flow using is about half its capacity, freezing might be a non-issue.
The welders have said they use activated hand warmers with no issues. They eventually stop activating and cool down.
Can you give a manuf & model number for the dual stage regulator? Im curious about it.
Maybe initial breaths by mouth might be warranted. I assume one can get more volume than by nasal intake.

After u mentioned hand warmers I started checking online and it seems they do use then as a quick field fix for frozen regulators.I'm not sure if that's just to thaw out already frozen regulators or prevent freezing altogether?.
Should freezing be a concern for us or am I overthinking?.
I do like to prepare as much as possible for any realistic potential complication as would most logical ppl I suspect.

 

[devils~advocate]

After u mentioned hand warmers I started checking online and it seems they do use then as a quick field fix for frozen regulators.I'm not sure if that's just to thaw out already frozen regulators or prevent freezing altogether?.
Should freezing be a concern for us or am I overthinking?.
I do like to prepare as much as possible for any realistic potential complication as would most logical ppl I suspect.

I just dont think it is a concern. For its use in this particular context...even if one did freeze, it wouldnt really matter time wise.
The dual stage regulator you mentioned, can you give a manuf & model number. Others might benefit from knowing about it.

 

[sm1the]

I just dont think it is a concern. For its use in this particular context...even if one did freeze, it wouldnt really matter time wise.
The dual stage regulator you mentioned, can you give a manuf & model number. Others might benefit from knowing about it.

Its a Bossweld dual stage with integrated flowmeter.
I have seen someone with it here.
Is there Any benefit in breathing through the mouth initially(because you will automatically switch to nose during LOC)?.
This concerns EEBD,any other Inert gas +gear used?

Anyone have any tips on setting up a backup?-
especially covering placement and when to use backup?(I realise this varies greatly on several factors but it may still be helpful)
Backup can be another full setup of EEBD(minus chair)
or N2O(bag,zip-tie) for instance.

 

[Arfsfhrtaine]

Sorry for this noob question, but what is the point of the inert gaz thing ? can we just use a bag and handcuffs instead of this overly complicated setup ?

 

[IrishBug]

hey all,

I don't drive so can't go buy a big tank from a shop.

Can I use 2 x 2.2L Disposable Food Grade Nitrogen Gas Cylinders which each contain 240L of nitrogen?

I'd get 2 regulators and set each to 7.5L/min and feed 2 hoses into the bag. Would that work?

Thank you!

 

[DeoxygenDaydream]

hey all,

I don't drive so can't go buy a big tank from a shop.

Can I use 2 x 2.2L Disposable Food Grade Nitrogen Gas Cylinders which each contain 240L of nitrogen?

I'd get 2 regulators and set each to 7.5L/min and feed 2 hoses into the bag. Would that work?

Thank you!

I don't drive either, but that didn't stop me from buying an empty tank online and ubering to and from a welding shop to get it filled. You could probably just Uber there to buy one and Uber back with it, assuming the drivers are notified ahead of time and OK with it.

 

[IrishBug]

I don't drive either, but that didn't stop me from buying an empty tank online and ubering to and from a welding shop to get it filled. You could probably just Uber there to buy one and Uber back with it, assuming the drivers are notified ahead of time and OK with it.

Unfortunately there is just no way I could do that.

I have a tremor down the left side of my body which gets worse when I'm anxious. I struggle to catch a uber when I'm not doing something unusual, buying a gas tank then taking it home in a uber would be too much.

PPHb specifically mentions these tanks however at 15litre per minute it'll last only 16 minutes which doesn't leave enough room for error for my liking.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Sorry for this noob question, but what is the point of the inert gaz thing ? can we just use a bag and handcuffs instead of this overly complicated setup ?

If you don't mind it feeling like torture, then yes, you certainly could.

 

[IrishBug]

hey all,

I don't drive so can't go buy a big tank from a shop.

Can I use 2 x 2.2L Disposable Food Grade Nitrogen Gas Cylinders which each contain 240L of nitrogen?

I'd get 2 regulators and set each to 7.5L/min and feed 2 hoses into the bag. Would that work?

Thank you!

I think I'm going to go ahead with this.

I'll buy 3 tanks and 2 regulators then do a test with one tank at 7.5l per min to see how long it lasts.

The only problem is I won't be able to control when the tanks get delivered and for 4 hours every day I have support workers at my house.

If they get delivered when they are here which is likely there will be questions. Given that the workers know I'm not likely to use them for brewing, coffee or food prep what excuse could I use to not cause any suspicion?

I'd hope they'd be in unmarked boxes in which case I could say they are computer parts but I'll need to be prepared.

Thank you

 

[Marigoldflower1984]

Okay, I have some serious questions that I desperately need someone to answer. I'm in constant physical pain, and I'm looking to leave by Monday of next week, and I want to get a Nitrogen tank and go that way, but my questions are:

1) If I use a full face scuba diving mask instead of putting a bag over my head and hooking the mask up to the gas tank, would that be efficient and effective?

2) I'm in the United States, so what size nitrogen tank should I get and how many feet should it be? 20 cu ft (5 pounds)? and how many liters should it be? Would 100–566 liters be effective?

3) Lastly, what type of scuba diving mask should I get? A full face one with no holes or anything that would cause the gas to leak out of it? And should I get a separate hose that hooks up one end to the mask and one end to the tank?

Please answer these questions for me, so I'll know what to do, thank you.