everywhere i look, someone is trying to downplay the effectivity of certain methods to "save" people

[SufferingInDenmark]

it feels like there's so much false information online, where people bring up horror stories about certain methods "oh no, that'll have you suffering for hours" blah blah blah.
sometimes i think they're lying because they think they're doing a good deed by "saving" people, so they will have no methods left.

for example, i read on one site that someone died from eating cherry seeds, or at least was very very close to dying. (NOT a suicide attempt)
then i see some other information which says you need to eat like fucking 30 thousands cherry seeds for that to happen.

what is true? not only about the cherry pit thing, just in general.

almost feels like there's some sort of anti suicide group out there who roams the websites to prevent suicides. with false information

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

it feels like there's so much false information online, where people bring up horror stories about certain methods "oh no, that'll have you suffering for hours" blah blah blah.
sometimes i think they're lying because they think they're doing a good deed by "saving" people, so they will have no methods left.

for example, i read on one site that someone died from eating cherry seeds, or at least was very very close to dying. (NOT a suicide attempt)
then i see some other information which says you need to eat like fucking 30 thousands cherry seeds for that to happen.

what is true? not only about the cherry pit thing, just in general.

almost feels like there's some sort of anti suicide group out there who roams the websites to prevent suicides. with false information

true. these psychopaths want to keep everyone alive even if they are suffering extremely . a book of reasons shows how oppressive and ridiculous that is. for example we all will die anyway so what are these morons trying to stop? you can't stop Death as we all will die so someone is suffering and say they are suffering extremely and there is no meaning to life but these creeps say you can't leave only when they say you can .

 

[mysticatedwine]

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[EvisceratedJester]

true. these psychopaths want to keep everyone alive even if they are suffering extremely . a book of reasons shows how oppressive and ridiculous that is. for example we all will die anyway so what are these morons trying to stop? you can't stop Death as we all will die so someone is suffering and say they are suffering extremely and there is no meaning to life but these creeps say you can't leave only when they say you can .

Or maybe, and this might be shocking, some people here don't want others to potentially end up using methods that aren't that good and that may lead to more suffering.

@SufferingInDenmark Reading about somebody supposedly dying on a site doesn't automatically make that method a good one. For one, how do you even know that the whole 'cherry death' story is true? Two, even if it were true that doesn't make it a good method. Some people die of beauty parlour stroke syndrome (BPSS) but that doesn't make getting your hair washed at the beauty parlour dangerous all of a sudden because BPSS is rare. Somebody dying from eating a bunch of cherry pits would also likely fall under the rare category.

Black cherries contain around 2.7 mg/g of amygdalin, while red cherries contain around 3.9 mg/g of amygdalin. Amygdalin is a type of compound found in pits of cherries (and other fruits) that converts to cyanide when ingested. An oral intake of around 500 mg of amygdalin may contain up to 30 mg of cyanide. Basically, it gets broken down into cyanide by beta-glucuronidase in the small intestines. A minimal lethal dose of cyanide is around 0.5-3.5 mg/kg of body weight or around 50 mg. Also, it should be noted that you would need to chew on the pits, otherwise shit ain't going to happen. I think it would take around 30 cherry pits to kill you, though I might be wrong (math is not a strong suit of mine, sadly). I think what happened is that the person who calculated it to be around 3,000 forgot to convert it to grams (1 cherry pit is supposed to = ~1 g) maybe, idk.

http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/83873/2/Bolarinwa.pdf

Physician Beware: Severe Cyanide Toxicity from Amygdalin Tablets Ingestion - PMC

Despite the risk of cyanide toxicity and lack of efficacy, amygdalin is still used as alternative cancer treatment. Due to the highly lethal nature of cyanide toxicity, many patients die before getting medical care. Herein, we describe the case of a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Edit: Yeah, I think I calculated it wrong (it might actually be closer to around 300 g)...
Edit 2: I'm unsure. Please take my calculations with a huge grain of salt.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Also, it should be noted that you would need to chew on the pits, otherwise shit ain't going to happen

or blended, right? and then drink it?

 

[JesiBel]

Maybe that 'technique' will work for them with people who are not very decided, and it will make people change their minds or have doubts/fear.

Whoever is well informed and decided on the chosen method will not change it for anything.

What I do think is necessary is to warn in case a method is not effective or unlikely, so that the person does not get hurt or put themselves at risk unnecessarily.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

or blended, right? and then drink it?

I mean, all that would matter is that are need to be crushed in some way. I don't know if this is the best method and again, my calculations probably are wrong. I wouldn't use my post as a good source of information on this since a lot of what I said was based on some quick research. You should probably look more into this before deciding to do anything.

 

[footballseason]

almost feels like there's some sort of anti suicide group out there who roams the websites to prevent suicides. with false information

There's no need for a group. Humans, like all living things, have an instinctual drive to live. We also have the unique ability to deny reality, sometimes to extreme degrees. When the overwhelming majority of our species wants (or, at least, is driven) to survive and has blocked out the idea that suicide can be an acceptable option, then a cultural consensus will inevitably form and reinforce itself.

You can see this same thing happen with almost any idea that humans are capable of sharing. If conditions exist to foster a belief, and its believers have the ability to effectively communicate with each other, then a certain amount of them will form an "echo chamber" and amplify their beliefs among each other.

It's a shame that we're all born into this same species, but not necessarily into the same state of mind.

 

[SilentSadness]

This site has some detailed guides (e.g. Vizzy's SN Bible) which give useful information on various methods. This forum is a valuable resource for you to use once you get access to the search bar. If a good method can't be found on this site, sorry but no good method exists or at least no one knows about it, it can be very difficult to die nowadays.

 

[Michi_Violeta]

There are cases in which it's perfectly valid. Every day or so I see a post on r/suicidewatch from someone saying they took 50 pills of Tylenol or 100 pills of painkillers and I don't want to save them from death, I want to save them from liver damage and spending days in the ER or —worse— in a psych ward. There are some effective methods out there, but sometimes people are too impulsive to search for them or follow them properly so, in that case, it's not a case of saving someone's life but of saving them from a lot of unnecessary and ultimately fruitless pain.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Unfortunately, with something as serious as ctb, you're going to get a bunch of misinformation, intentionally provided or otherwise. All you can do is try and parse out the bs from the truth. Simply recognizing that this occurs already puts you in a much better spot to do just that.

 

[vitbar]

Sad fact is people die by accident all the time by doing all kinds of things, while those trying to kill themselves fail.

Usually the lethal dose of a drug is listed as the LD50, which is what dose would kill 50% of those that took it.