Elaboration and explanation of not wanting to be a part of society

[TAW122]

So from my thread My 2020 suifuel I've listed the main reasons and causes for my wanting to CTB (there are some more minute reasons but not listed on there just fyi). One of the reasons (Reason No. 6 on that list) is about how society still denies us the right to a die a dignified way, still practices forced intervention/involuntary hospitalization (and especially in the US, bills the patient for it! ), and peddles a bunch of false hopes, delusions, lies, and what not. Also the fact that even people who are suffering immensely either chronic illnesses, terminal illnesses, or long term problems are still denied a peaceful end, but instead are kept alive against their will until their (natural) death. That is unnecessary suffering and society, government, people only do it because they fear the loss of a potential person.

Therefore, I have decided that I don't want to be a part of a society that not only forbids a freedom of choice for those who wish to die and be able to die peacefully with the aid of a clinic or medical professional, forces people to live against their will at all costs, and more. Now people may wonder well why don't I check out yet or why I continue to wageslave or did so in 2019? At that time, I'm on borrowed time and have been since 2018. Sometime in 2018, I've decided how much I hated the current society and it's rules in which are imposed on it's citizens. I don't want to wageslave to live just to contribute to a society in which I don't support nor agree with it's laws. I get some people saying that "but everyone has to!" or some other inane reasoning. It's really an appeal to the masses, just because everyone else does it doesn't mean that I should for the sake of it. I only stuck around because I had a method on standby (firearm in my possession and with direct access to it at the time) and the feeling that I could check out anytime gave me motivation to continue living and trying things because I always said to myself "If things suck, don't work out, no matter how much bullshit there is, I can always check out and die reliably." that alone was a strong enough motivation to take risks and try things I would never have thought to do.

Sure, I could check out anytime, but did not because I didn't have a reliable method then. I've also only stuck around for mostly two reasons in 2019:

1) Things got better enough for me to continue 'tolerating' (not enjoying) living a bit longer. (Getting my goal in March 2019 and also in October 2019)
2) I had to maintain some level of appearance and effort in order not to tip off people around me IRL.

Beyond that, I pretty much have no reason to really live in the long term. Life itself isn't interesting enough for me to continue living. Also, given how things are going to be and continue to be, I don't wish to be apart of a society that doesn't respect the freedom of choice when it comes to life and death, imposes help and intervention against people who don't want it, gaslights, guilt and shame people into "living", and spread lies, hypocrisy, and false hope.

Edit: Oh and one more thing for people who say, well if you don't work, you'll starve and die, yes that is true... and I'm ok with that (minus the starving to death - in which case, I would CTB before I had to be on the streets) since I'd rather not support/contribute to a society in which doesn't have my interests at heart and forces me to live a life that I never asked for. It doesn't matter if 99% of the people are doing it because they have to, if I could choose, I would have selected never to exist to begin with!

 

[Oyoy]

You are so dead on forgive the pun. I don't want to be ungreatful or selfish I just don't want to shop to shop. I don't want to feel like I'm being cheep or lazy because I don't want to buy shit to impress people that don't look up. I hate technology and all I do is state at a screen. I want to make art but hate having too much stuff.

 

[liverpoolfan]

Agree with not only with the OP but with the quotes at the bottom of the OP's post.

 

[OneBigBlur]

I have no interest in being part of the rat race either. It's full of delusional and vain people that are more interested in their next iPhone than the person right in front of them. I call them bubble people and they could care less about anything outside of their personal lives.

Most of them will not even try to understand the circumstances that people are trapped in like the people on this forum and even less care about what's fair, humane, or just.

 

[rolltheblunt]

Couldn't agree more. I've seen some places that allow assisted suicide or suicide for the elderly and sick. All of that is a step in the right direction, but I think everyone should have the right to choose if they continue to live on in this world or not. Many people have it so bad and are just suffering endlessly in places that they can't access suicide. It is so wicked that that is allowed to continue. I only see as more innovation goes on in the world, the worse everyone's mental health gets.

Of course there's that 10 percent that are okay and are living decent lives without a worry in the world. People like the Amazon CEO, just the other day made billions in a few minutes. I can't believe the general population refuses to see that the large corporations make the laws. Money influences. They make them to only benefit themselves. They make them to ensure that the sheep (middle and lower classes) continue to slave away in society, so that they will continue to make billions of dollars. They only care about their families, not that of the sheep.

I'm sorry if anyone gets offended when I say sheep, but it's true. I truly believe a large percentage of people realize what's going on, but refuse to do something about it. Maybe they think things will get better over time, that if they do as they're told, then they will "make it in life." That's true that a small percentage of people will do so. Definitely not everyone though. Many will keep working their 40 hour work weeks, with a lot working overtime because they need to have a second job and need to support their family. I know I never get to spend time with my parents because they're working non stop and always trying to get overtime to support my little sisters who are still in school. I'm on my own, renting a room from someones house. You really get a feel for how the world works when you're supporting yourself.

Besides the sheep who think that they can make it in life, there are those who think "if I just wait it out, it'll get better." Really? If it has just continued to get worse as time went on, what makes you think that something will change? The only thing that has changed is that there is more innovation and greater mental illness. More of a divide between the the wealthy, the middle and the poor. I do not want to grow, work all of my life, raise children to live and do the same thing in this fucked up world. Where it's mostly luck that decides if you get a good quality of life or bad.

 

[Ghost2211]

I can totally relate to where you are coming from. It is very hard to function in society when people don't completely conform to society standards. Working basically any job doesn't really work for me primarily due to disability, and other reasons. It is sad that we no longer have a way of life where we can trade for goods and services, or that we have the option to live or die. Society and life have become so controlled and complex nowadays.

 

[SettOne1994]

i think the deepest desire of a human being is having a family friends and being part of the society......

 

[TAW122]

@rolltheblunt Great post and it makes sense. I am not offended at all btw. I would say a lot of people start out as sheep, but over time they become woke and enlightened. You could say that I became enlightened once I questioned about why I did the things I did, whether society is really worth living in with all the shit that goes on. Humans in general do such a good job distracting themselves from 'death' that they forget it even exists as one of my philosophy professors pointed out in one of the courses I took while in college.

@RoseyBird Yes, sadly, that kind of lifestyle and culture is no longer around anymore. But for me, the best outcome would be to never be born to begin with, therefore there is no death when there is no existence, just non-existence entirely. I'm ok with that and also I'm an antinatalist myself (but that's a different topic altogether).

@SettOne1994 Yes, I think that is a part of human nature by default. Sure, for a lot of people, perhaps having that would be enough for them to want to continue 'life' and that's great. However, not everyone (myself included) is like that, but most people in society refuse to accept or acknowledge that life isn't for everyone.

 

[SettOne1994]

@SettOne1994 Yes, I think that is a part of human nature by default. Sure, for a lot of people, perhaps having that would be enough for them to want to continue 'life' and that's great. However, not everyone (myself included) is like that, but most people in society refuse to accept or acknowledge that life isn't for everyone.
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its just your path that you dont want curently to have to deal with people.... Also a great chance we chose to come into this existence from the other one...because it has some more advantages over the other one... one of it is the energetic level here is bigger then the previous existence the other reason might be that we get to coexist here in contrast to the other world...but these arent facts i would say a fact would be that we choose to come here despite the physical mechanisms that our parents conceive us , spiritually we forget our troubles and choose to come once again here....but i dont want to scare you like i do to myself with the reincarnation thing and the choice we make to come into this world....

 

[TAW122]

its just your path that you dont want curently to have to deal with people.... Also a great chance we chose to come into this existence from the other one...because it has some more advantages over the other one... one of it is the energetic level here is bigger then the previous existence the other reason might be that we get to coexist here in contrast to the other world...but these arent facts i would say a fact would be that we choose to come here despite the physical mechanisms that our parents conceive us , spiritually we forget our troubles and choose to come once again here....but i dont want to scare you like i do to myself with the reincarnation thing and the choice we make to come into this world....

I'm assuming that you believe in a pre-life or afterlife, is that correct?

 

[Heart of Ice]

I don't think this "society" is perfect, but I do enjoy the safety and comfort it provides. There is something egotistical, or at least I feel there is, in saying that one wishes not to be a "part" of "society", because this society does not conform into one's own vision of the perfect existence.

And as for euthanasia being illegal... I honestly don't care. I'd prefer if it were available to the elderly and the terminally ill, but I don't see it as a that big of a deal.

 

[Jean4]

I am looking at this differently. I am part of the resistance trying to change what Trump has done.

Interested in changing the laws regarding suicide? We would love to have you join the fight at Compassion and Choices.

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As long as I am here, I will fight to make changes. No. I don't want to live in this hell called society. I may want to live in the society I am trying to make.

 

[SettOne1994]

I'm assuming that you believe in a pre-life or afterlife, is that correct?

yes there is a good chance this is true.....

 

[thesongbird]

Just wanted to say I agree. We did not give consent to exist, and should have the human right to end our existence without unnecessary suffering.

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

Agree.

I know I've said it repeatedly on here, but a life without dignity is simply not worth living and to force a person who wishes to exit to instead live without dignity is the greatest cruelty.

 

[TAW122]

Thanks @thesongbird and @Shakespear's Brother. Both of you have great quotes to sum up life's existence in a nutshell.

 

[Life sucks]

I don't want to be a part of a hypocrite society and absurd human/species project.
I think humans are a biological mess with absurd ideas and illusions. Thats why they are not logical.
Humans are programmed to be superficial and I quit this programming and refuse to follow it. They don't feel of the pain of mental illnesses for example and will only look from outside and they'll try to stop ctb and would never understand the pain. Not to mention how stupidly they deny even biological needs of themselves because of concepts like money for example. I refuse to be a part of society built on illusions, superficiality and being absurd.

 

[TAW122]

Well said @Life sucks, you summed up society and mankind in a nutshell. Currently just biding my time and waiting for the right opportunity to present itself before I CTB (as well as tying loose ends and finishing up stuff). If SI is a problem for me, I've got various techniques and ways to combat it (maybe some alcohol, meditation, music, and/or just conjuring up shitty times enough to trigger me and be that 'final' push).

 

[deadalready]

"Make up an excuse like you were traveling/volunteering or even taking care of a sick family member. 27 years old is young my friend. Perfectly normal to start in a jr level job at that age. I started at 24 and I had colleagues over 30 doing the same work as me which was basic data entry at minimum wage"

Example of false hope advice at Reddit (a pretty pro-life website). Sometimes you do believe it because you are not being bullied atm and forgot the bullying dynamics.

 

[Otter]

Does anyone wish they could trade their being alive with a person who is terminal but wants to live? I think about this all the time. I would gladly trade places!

 

[TAW122]

@deadalready Yes, I see that a lot and I consider Reddit, Quora, and many platforms and forums on the Internet to be rather very bluepilled (meaning they are idealistic, delusional, and not in line with reality).

@Otter I thought of the same as well. It is a shame that nature is cruel, it keeps the people who wish to go or die, alive, but for those who wish to thrive and live, tragedy strikes them (disease, accidents, other things to make their life horrible).