Doubts about SN

[Dinosaur]

What consecuences can be for SN method failure? Can you have brain damage or sometging?

 

[schopenh]

All the evidence we have points to no serious effects and mostly complete recovery upon failure. Although that evidence is anecdotal.

 

[willitpass]

there is a very small pool of people to study from, so no one can be sure as this isn't a very common strategy. however no evidence points to it, that should be taken with a grain of salt however

 

[AnniesHideaway]

All the evidence we have points to no serious effects and mostly complete recovery upon failure. Although that evidence is anecdotal.

Why point out this is anecdotal? Obviously there isn't a double blind scientific study testing to see the damaging effects of a suicidal method. Literally everything we know about suicide and its methods are anecdotal.

 

[Living sucks]

What consecuences can be for SN method failure? Can you have brain damage or sometging?

All the evidence we have points to no serious effects and mostly complete recovery upon failure. Although that evidence is anecdotal.

Just to add..complete recovery with medical attention and the antidote methyl blue.
Any report of recovery without medical attn should be scrutinized. If you take SN and change your mind, you should call ems.

No one knows long term affects if any.

 

[Despairing]

I think there is a rare chance it can damage your kidneys if you survive.

 

[schopenh]

Why point out this is anecdotal? Obviously there isn't a double blind scientific study testing to see the damaging effects of a suicidal method. Literally everything we know about suicide and its methods are anecdotal.

Your argument here, I think, is that pointing out it's anecdotal shouldn't be done because it's obvious. All I've to say to this is that you should never teach university students lol

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I noticed you speak Spanish. Is it difficult for you to search the forum and find the information you need? There are many conversations and information threads that address your questions, so I wonder if you're not able to get the information you need because of language.

I've noticed on the Spanish thread in off topic that there is a lot of bad information about SN, and I don't know of a good solution for Spanish speakers to get the more reliable information that's provided on the forum in English. I speak some Spanish, but not enough to translate the information and make sure Spanish speakers are well-informed. It would be helpful to at least have Stan's guide and the SN FAQ in Spanish, but it would be challenging to find someone who could give translated updates of all the attempts that have so much useful information, whether the attempts failed or were successful.

I'm not sure what country you're in, but if you survive the attempt you will likely require treatment to recover, and the best treatment is methylene blue. If you are concerned about being interrupted and saved, or about wanting to abort the attempt once you've ingested the SN, you could leave instructions that you used SN and that the antidote is methylene blue. If that is not available, there are other treatments, but you would have to research them.

There is plenty of published medical literature, besides anecdotal accounts, that shows brain damage does not happen at all, and that a full physical recovery is likely, whether days, weeks, or, at the most, a few months (@AnniesHideaway and @schopenh, in case you weren't aware, there is indeed medical literature and not just anecdotal accounts, and links to that information have been shared on this forum in various threads and can also be found in online searches). Of all the methods one can attempt and fail, this one seems the only reliable method for a full recovery with no risk of brain or other organ damage. The organ that it primarily targets is the blood, and once the SN is cleared from the blood and the body is properly oxygenated, all other systems seem to recover. But I don't want you to take my word for it. My concern is that you don't have enough access to information so that you can make a determination for yourself as to the risks.

I think there is a rare chance it can damage your kidneys if you survive.

Have you seen any medical literature or anecdotal evidence to support this?

Please know I'm not at all being aggressive in asking, it's just that there's so much disinformation about this method, and saying "I think" without knowing could influence someone who, like the OP, may be experiencing challenges in getting reliable and verifiable information.

 

[autumnal]

What consecuences can be for SN method failure? Can you have brain damage or sometging?

As other people have mentioned, SN is fairly unique (and fortunate) as a method in that generally you will either recover from it completely (if discovered in time and administered the antidote) or you will die. From both anecdotal reports and journal articles with case studies, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot in between these two extremes.

A more relevant question to ask yourself is not what the consequences of failure are, but how likely is it that you will fail. With SN, if you follow the protocol exactly (and preferably use as many of the optional add-ons as possible) failure is almost impossible.

Another important consideration is whether someone is asking about failure because they may partly want to fail, or for their suicide to just be a gesture rather than a successful attempt. In that scenario, SN is not a smart choice. Even very small amounts of it can be fatal.

there is a very small pool of people to study from, so no one can be sure as this isn't a very common strategy. however no evidence points to it, that should be taken with a grain of salt however

No pun intended?

I think there is a rare chance it can damage your kidneys if you survive.

I too would be interested to know your source for this. Regardless, also bear in mind my comments above about the unlikelihood of surviving anyway.

 

[Despairing]

I noticed you speak Spanish. Is it difficult for you to search the forum and find the information you need? There are many conversations and information threads that address your questions, so I wonder if you're not able to get the information you need because of language.

I've noticed on the Spanish thread in off topic that there is a lot of bad information about SN, and I don't know of a good solution for Spanish speakers to get the more reliable information that's provided on the forum in English. I speak some Spanish, but not enough to translate the information and make sure Spanish speakers are well-informed. It would be helpful to at least have Stan's guide and the SN FAQ in Spanish, but it would be challenging to find someone who could give translated updates of all the attempts that have so much useful information, whether the attempts failed or were successful.

I'm not sure what country you're in, but if you survive the attempt you will likely require treatment to recover, and the best treatment is methylene blue. If you are concerned about being interrupted and saved, or about wanting to abort the attempt once you've ingested the SN, you could leave instructions that you used SN and that the antidote is methylene blue. If that is not available, there are other treatments, but you would have to research them.

There is plenty of published medical literature, besides anecdotal accounts, that shows brain damage does not happen at all, and that a full physical recovery is likely, whether days, weeks, or, at the most, a few months (@AnniesHideaway and @schopenh, in case you weren't aware, there is indeed medical literature and not just anecdotal accounts, and links to that information have been shared on this forum in various threads and can also be found in online searches). Of all the methods one can attempt and fail, this one seems the only reliable method for a full recovery with no risk of brain or other organ damage. The organ that it primarily targets is the blood, and once the SN is cleared from the blood and the body is properly oxygenated, all other systems seem to recover. But I don't want you to take my word for it. My concern is that you don't have enough access to information so that you can make a determination for yourself as to the risks.




Have you seen any medical literature or anecdotal evidence to support this?

Please know I'm not at all being aggressive in asking, it's just that there's so much disinformation about this method, and saying "I think" without knowing could influence someone who, like the OP, may be experiencing challenges in getting reliable and verifiable information.

I attempted with SN in November. They wanted me to urinate in a test bottle to test kidney damage. However I couldn't urinate. They then told me they had to put a catheter in me to drain urine and if I didn't there could be a risk to my kidneys.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I attempted with SN in November. They wanted me to urinate in a test bottle to test kidney damage. However I couldn't urinate. They then told me they had to put a catheter in me to drain urine and if I didn't there could be a risk to my kidneys.

Have you posted about your failed attempt? Why did it fail?

 

[aminend]

I attempted with SN in November. They wanted me to urinate in a test bottle to test kidney damage. However I couldn't urinate. They then told me they had to put a catheter in me to drain urine and if I didn't there could be a risk to my kidneys.

Can u explain ur experience totally

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I attempted with SN in November. They wanted me to urinate in a test bottle to test kidney damage. However I couldn't urinate. They then told me they had to put a catheter in me to drain urine and if I didn't there could be a risk to my kidneys.

Here's some information I found in an online search of methemoglobinemia kidney damage:

Methemoglobinemia-Induced Acute Kidney Injury [Abstract]

Methemoglobinemia-Induced Acute Kidney Injury

benthamopen.com

Methemoglobinemia can cause cyanosis, dyspnea, fatigue, seizure, arrhythmia, coma, and even death. Although methemoglobinemia is shown to cause acute kidney injury in experimental settings, human case reports are exceedingly rare.

I think it's important to note that acute damage means immediate, rather than chronic damage, which is ongoing. Acute kidney damage requires immediate treatment, and depending on severity, may require transfusions and dialysis for recovery.

I found another case where methylene blue in combination with other medications in a non-SN case resulted in acute kidney damage, from which the patient recovered with treatment.

This is all good information to have in order to make an informed decision about attempting with SN, and it's important that members take responsibility for researching any questions they have prior to attempting. There is plenty of medical literature available online. Anecdotal accounts are very helpful, but in my opinion, they should lead to researching for oneself more about the risks of both SN and the treatments such as methylene blue. Medical professionals don't generally explain in detail, such as was the case with @Despairing, or one may not understand all the information while they are in a weakened state. Being informed reduces fear caused by uncertainty and not having enough information.

 

[Living sucks]

What are the chances of this method actually working and how does it actually work? How does it kill you?

Research and learn .. all the info is in the pinned resource compilation on the suicide home page and by using the search bar

and here

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/

 

[Despairing]

Can u explain ur experience totally

I took it (SN) after a mental breakdown without planning anything. After about 3 or 5 minutes I decided to get help. I went to a friends who lives in the same street as me who got me an ambulance. The ambulance took about 20 minutes to get to me. I collapsed in the back of the ambulance and woke up in hospital. I went unconsciousness a second time as I kept taking the oxygen mask off to talk with family members. I spent I think two or three days in the ICU.

What are the chances of this method actually working and how does it actually work? How does it kill you?

It absolutely will work. Don't do this at a whims notice like I did.

 

[Irina]

I took it (SN) after a mental breakdown without planning anything. After about 3 or 5 minutes I decided to get help. I went to a friends who lives in the same street as me who got me an ambulance. The ambulance took about 20 minutes to get to me. I collapsed in the back of the ambulance and woke up in hospital. I went unconsciousness a second time as I kept taking the oxygen mask off to talk with family members. I spent I think two or three days in the ICU.

It absolutely will work. Don't do this at a whims notice like I did.

If is it ok with you, can I ask how exactly it felt like? I'm sorry for disturbing, but I was thinking about this method too and my problem is that I am really afraid of pain. I'm searching right now for more posts from people that tried it.

 

[Deleted member 17949]

I'd recommend searching online for accidents regarding SN poisoning. Obviously these are not suicide attempts (well, maybe some are) but they should give you a good medical perspective on the effects of SN when a person doesn't die. From what I've seen one big pulls to the method is the limited consequences to failing.

 

[Living sucks]

If is it ok with you, can I ask how exactly it felt like? I'm sorry for disturbing, but I was thinking about this method too and my problem is that I am really afraid of pain. I'm searching right now for more posts from people that tried it.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/

 

[Despairing]

If is it ok with you, can I ask how exactly it felt like? I'm sorry for disturbing, but I was thinking about this method too and my problem is that I am really afraid of pain. I'm searching right now for more posts from people that tried it.

I can remember feeling disorientated and lightheaded.

 

[Irina]

I can remember feeling disorientated and lightheaded.

So there was no pain at all? Thank you very much for your answer.

Also many thanks to Living sucks for the link. I didn't really know how to search for that thread. Thank you and sorry.

 

[Despairing]

So there was no pain at all? Thank you very much for your answer.

Also many thanks to Living sucks for the link. I didn't really know how to search for that thread. Thank you and sorry.

There was no pain.

 

[Meditation guide]

Regarding failing, remember there is a pandemic now and hospitals are mostly full and very contagious, and covid is not something you want to get. Lot's of people are avoiding going to hospitals now.

 

[Living sucks]

Sounds cruel but id rather die that way than ctb..for numerous reasons.