Discussion Does this just infuriate anyone here?

[TAW122]

Check this thread out, which is basically a guy complaining about how he 'saved' his suicidal friend and his said friend later cut all contact from him. Just reading the comments is rather appalling and disgusting. How can anyone justify and let alone even applaud him for his actions? If I was 'that friend' that suffered the treatment of involuntary hospitalization and/or forced treatment by mental health and health care professionals, I would do that same, perhaps more than that. Hell, it would give me more incentive to die or try until I die even by desperate means (I'll still do everything I can not to involve others who aren't responsible).

 

[headinghome]

Check this thread out, which is basically a guy complaining about how he 'saved' his suicidal friend and his said friend later cut all contact from him. Just reading the comments is rather appalling and disgusting. How can anyone justify and let alone even applaud him for his actions? If I was 'that friend' that suffered the treatment of involuntary hospitalization and/or forced treatment by mental health and health care professionals, I would do that same, perhaps more than that. Hell, it would give me more incentive to die or try until I die even by desperate means (I'll still do everything I can not to involve others who aren't responsible).

I think everyone has the right to choose to live or die… I am angry that I was forced to live… My question about the situation is it sounds like he kept reaching out… If he was serious he wouldn't have kept calling and texting and contacting anyone would've just done it… I'm not trying to be critical I'm just observing

 

[Ashpac]

Check this thread out, which is basically a guy complaining about how he 'saved' his suicidal friend and his said friend later cut all contact from him. Just reading the comments is rather appalling and disgusting. How can anyone justify and let alone even applaud him for his actions? If I was 'that friend' that suffered the treatment of involuntary hospitalization and/or forced treatment by mental health and health care professionals, I would do that same, perhaps more than that. Hell, it would give me more incentive to die or try until I die even by desperate means (I'll still do everything I can not to involve others who aren't responsible).

Nothing left for me to say. Everything you said covers what I think on this particular subject.

 

[spanishguy22]

I avoid reading the comments of that subreddit because the frontpage is just typical dumbass happy normies trying to prolife you with their useless platitudes. I check the new page every now and then but frontpage is aids

 

[headinghome]

I avoid reading the comments of that subreddit because the frontpage is just typical dumbass happy normies trying to prolife you with their useless platitudes. I check the new page every now and then but frontpage is aids

all pro-life

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

I don't agree with what you said. If you love someone you try to save them, it is as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it is rational or not. I think some people lack perspective in this matter. He was trying to help, he tried to save him. His intentions were good. I understand that that suicidal guy was pissed but maybe after some time he'll realise that the other guy was trying to help.

 

[TAW122]

I don't agree with what you said. If you love someone you try to save them, it is as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it is rational or not. I think some people lack perspective in this matter. He was trying to help, he tried to save him. His intentions were good. I understand that that suicidal guy was pissed but maybe after some time he'll realise that the other guy was trying to help.

While that is possible, we will never know for sure because we aren't there and we don't have anymore information other than what the OP said in his post. If he is grateful, then that's great, but I feel like most of us here (me included) would be very frustrated and even resentful if that happened to us. Nevertheless, I do get your point and see where you are coming from.

 

[Jolene40]

I think everyone has the right to choose to live or die… I am angry that I was forced to live… My question about the situation is it sounds like he kept reaching out… If he was serious he wouldn't have kept calling and texting and contacting anyone would've just done it… I'm not trying to be critical I'm just observing

I agree. I think if he dudnt want some help or something he would have just done it?

 

[JadedGray]

I don't expect people who have never been suicidal to ever understand.

 

[snowman626]

when you want to ctb, other humans are your biggest obstacle. thats why my method involves going deep, deep, deep, into the wilderness where nobody will ever find me. throw away the phone and any other technology and it'll just be me, my brain, and mother earth

 

[GeorgeJL]

Check this thread out, which is basically a guy complaining about how he 'saved' his suicidal friend and his said friend later cut all contact from him. Just reading the comments is rather appalling and disgusting. How can anyone justify and let alone even applaud him for his actions? If I was 'that friend' that suffered the treatment of involuntary hospitalization and/or forced treatment by mental health and health care professionals, I would do that same, perhaps more than that. Hell, it would give me more incentive to die or try until I die even by desperate means (I'll still do everything I can not to involve others who aren't responsible).

OMG how is it that people commit suicide in such a way that they will be found before dying. It baffles me how ignorant some people are. And yeah if I were him I would cut all ties too.

 

[MistakesHappen]

I don't expect people who have never been suicidal to ever understand.

Quote.

I would get very angry if someone called the cops, but at the same time i know that the intentions were good. They really think that This is "Saving a life", and to understand they would have to experience themself or at least have a long discussion and meditation.
The suicidal guy shouldn't have texted him, even if his friend (OP) accepted his choice (it's not the case, just making and example) because if OP did not intervene he would have thought to be an accomplice to a murder, since that's how they consider suicide.
There's a limit between
Denying the choice of one's life and answering to a SOS

 

[NoOneKnows]

I don't expect people who have never been suicidal to ever understand.

at least attempt to understand before condemning would be nice

Check this thread out, which is basically a guy complaining about how he 'saved' his suicidal friend and his said friend later cut all contact from him. Just reading the comments is rather appalling and disgusting. How can anyone justify and let alone even applaud him for his actions? If I was 'that friend' that suffered the treatment of involuntary hospitalization and/or forced treatment by mental health and health care professionals, I would do that same, perhaps more than that. Hell, it would give me more incentive to die or try until I die even by desperate means (I'll still do everything I can not to involve others who aren't responsible).

I wont read, cuz I would get even more stressed I am now. Those people are nothing but hypocrats, I have no doubts if these misery perpetuators have been in condition I am in for the duration it lasts, only getting worse by a day, no doubt in my mind they would off themselves much sooner. but unlike us they wouldnt bother to take the risk of massive backlash and actually spread awareness on the topic like so many people here do.

 

[JadedGray]

at least attempt to understand before condemning would be nice

It would, but that's not the kind of society we're living in.

 

[WolfgangA]

I can relate to the being "saved" part, that moment of waking up with despair, its not something you forget and yes I would probably do the same and then some.

 

[Deadgirl]

Check this thread out, which is basically a guy complaining about how he 'saved' his suicidal friend and his said friend later cut all contact from him. Just reading the comments is rather appalling and disgusting. How can anyone justify and let alone even applaud him for his actions? If I was 'that friend' that suffered the treatment of involuntary hospitalization and/or forced treatment by mental health and health care professionals, I would do that same, perhaps more than that. Hell, it would give me more incentive to die or try until I die even by desperate means (I'll still do everything I can not to involve others who aren't responsible).

I feel the same anger as the friend except the "friend" who "saved" me cut contact with me when convenient.

 

[housecat]

From what I can gather, the writer seems to think too highly of himself and is looking for praise rather than trying to actually be a good friend. The friend is harder to judge as we have only one (presumably biased) side of the story, but from that, he doesn't seem fully dedicated to the idea of suicide and may be looking for help, or may even be intentionally manipulating his friend's emotions. I can't say with certainty what was going on here, but I don't think I like how either of them are handling it. "Saving" people is a tricky issue, particularly confused by those that do want to be helped and are in crisis. But people need to realise that it's not their place to deny someone their decision either, because making someone suffer against their will isn't really saving them.

 

[TAW122]

From what I can gather, the writer seems to think too highly of himself and is looking for praise rather than trying to actually be a good friend. The friend is harder to judge as we have only one (presumably biased) side of the story, but from that, he doesn't seem fully dedicated to the idea of suicide and may be looking for help, or may even be intentionally manipulating his friend's emotions. I can't say with certainty what was going on here, but I don't think I like how either of them are handling it. "Saving" people is a tricky issue, particularly confused by those that do want to be helped and are in crisis. But people need to realise that it's not their place to deny someone their decision either, because making someone suffer against their will isn't really saving them.

That is true, it is an all around gray situation. We only have one side of the story and it's the writer's perspective. As far as the writer's friend, I would think that he probably trusted the writer too much and might have been on the fence. I don't want to say that he is or isn't serious about CTB'ing as we don't know anything from the friend's perspective (his thoughts, intentions, his actual plan, method, etc.). It would seem like the friend, if he is really intending on successfully CTB'ing, he would do it very discreetly and hide all red flags and what not, at least that's what I would (personally) if I wanted to successfully CTB.

 

[Empty Smile]

when you want to ctb, other humans are your biggest obstacle. thats why my method involves going deep, deep, deep, into the wilderness where nobody will ever find me. throw away the phone and any other technology and it'll just be me, my brain, and mother earth

That's my plan.

 

[Tortured_empath]

I disagree with how the OP handled that situation but I do think the way his friend acted is equally insensitive.

As other people have said, if you have a friend that is supportive enough to listen to you vent as much as the OP, at least have the decency not to leave him in the unclear like that. Texting "I'll be dead" and then not responding. That's just plain manipulative. Then getting frustrated when he takes your threat seriously. One has to understand that realistically non-suicidal people will never understand the situation that we're in, let alone know how to properly act when faced with the fate of another persons life in their hands like that.

Then again this is one side of the story, but judging from it, I think they're both in the wrong.

 

[S5E51mbB]

r/suicidewatch and r/depression (suicide posts anyway) are the biggest loads of horse shit. Just platitudes over and over. It's pathetic.

 

[Ryath]

Why would you really care about any emergency service being contacted? In a state of sheer suicidal depression, I have never been bothered about those types of incidents, even when I was forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. You get to a point where you become in a trance and distant from your own reality - nothing matters anymore, even the feeling of imminent panic. I can see both perspectives and relate to both on each end - from the OPs recount of the story, it sounds like a suicidal gesture to express discontent with his current situation that may or may not change. It depends on individual to individual, but on a lot of my suicide attempts, I haven't reached out to anyone and instead introverted myself away from prying eyes.