Does partial hanging ever fail after blacking out and if so why?

[motoko_s9]

I often see people saying "tried partial," but on further reading this turns out to be a trial run attempting to black out, failure to fall unconscious or SI, or something similar.

But has anyone failed a partial hanging attempt after blacking out? If so what do you think might have caused it? Convulsions shifting the position of the body?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Convulsions shifting the position of the body?

This is imo the reason in most cases. Don't forget that the feet in a partial attempt still have ground contact and don't underestimate what our bodies can still do after we are unconscious and SI kicked in

 

[MHCheese454]

Hangings spook me out because you might choke, I would rather go via gun or jumping off something high. Quick and painless. But ig it's because hanging is effective when done well

 

[motoko_s9]

This is imo the reason in most cases. Don't forget that the feet in a partial attempt still have ground contact and don't underestimate what our bodies can still do after we are unconscious and SI kicked in

Thanks.

My question is, in what cases, and how many?

And, knowing that, for what type of posture?

I don't think I have yet seen a case mentioned here where someone very clearly says that this is what happened. I think I have seen one where a person said they stood up, but I couldn't be completely sure that the person fully blacked out.

Edit: I have found a person in this thread who reports standing up after blacking out. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/partial-hanging-closet-bar.169188/#post-2570614

I guess we are not going to hear from anyone for whom this didn't happen.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Thanks.

My question is, in what cases, and how many?

And, knowing that, for what type of posture?

I don't think I have yet seen a case mentioned here where someone very clearly says that this is what happened. I think I have seen one where a person said they stood up, but I couldn't be completely sure that the person fully blacked out.

I think you'll have to wait for people who actually failed their partial attempts and what they think why it failed. I don't recall a successful GBT with partial atm.

Imo failing a partial is possible bc if the pressure on the neck can't be kept up to block blood flow chances of survival (incl survival with brain damage) are high. I would always consider full to partial bc once the chair is kicked away there's no way back, regardless how long it takes.

 

[motoko_s9]

I have a scientific paper with literature review that says that of the cases where it was mentioned, over half had feet in contact with the ground.

Of course that is where it is mentioned. Maybe it is considered more noteworthy when the feet are in contact with the ground.
Edit: in Ohio the vast majority (83%) were partial suspension.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230587242_Observed_Characteristics_of_Suicidal_Hangings_An_11-year_Retrospective_Review

Also from data in England:

"Information on degree of suspension was available for 149 cases. Seventy-eight of these (52.4%) were found totally suspended (both feet above the ground). In about one-quarter (35 out of 149, 23.5%) the subjects were suspended with their feet touching the ground, in 11 cases (7.4%) they were kneeling, in 13 lying (8.7%) and in 7 seated (4.7%). The precise position was unclear in a further 5 cases involving partial suspension (3.4%)."

This is 149 cases out of a total of 162.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/suicide-by-hanging-multicentre-study-based-on-coroners-records-in-england/A4ACF56EC1F355A7304084009A7FB39F

The reported cases from 2024 in this forum seem strange. Quite a few Night-Night, No Partial, lots of SN, much more probably than in the general population.