Help Does Argon work as well as Nitrogen for inert gas method?

[Ta555]

I know they are both inert gases and both cause asphyxia but after reading through quite a few threads on here about gases there are some people who say argon doesn't have the same effect as nitrogen and makes them feel suffocated or that the gas is too 'heavy'?
I always thought they would feel the same as they're both inert gases?
I would prefer to use argon because it's pretty much impossible to get a nitrogen regulator with a litres per minute output where I live. It is also not possible to use an argon flow meter on a nitrogen tank here because they have completely different threads/connections. But I can easily get an argon regulator with litres per minute and a 1m3 (1 meter cubed) argon tank.
@Greenberg sorry to bother you but would you know anything about this?
Does anyone else have ideas?

Thanks!

 

[Greenberg]

Hi, Ta,

All inert gases would work. It just turns out that generally speaking nitrogen is the cheapest. If you choose to employ Argon, please be mindful that released Argon would stay near to the ground which may be harmful to children and pets. Incidentally, the connector for an Argon flow meter should be the same as that of nitrogen.

Best, G

 

[Ta555]

Hi, Ta,

All inert gases would work. It just turns out that generally speaking nitrogen is the cheapest. If you choose to employ Argon, please be mindful that released Argon would stay near to the ground which may be harmful to children and pets. Incidentally, the connector for an Argon flow meter should be the same as that of nitrogen.

Best, G

Thanks for replying so quick! Would it be ok if I pm'ed you regarding the connections?

 

[Greenberg]

Okay. G

 

[Ta555]

Okay. G

Just did, thanks so much!

 

[Robin]

Ich weiß, dass es sich um Inertgase handelt und beide zu Erstickung führen, aber nachdem ich hier einige Threads über Gase gelesen habe, gibt es einige Leute, die sagen, dass Argon nicht die gleiche Wirkung wie Stickstoff hat und sie sich ersticken lassen oder dass das Gas zu stark ist 'schwer'?
Ich dachte immer, sie würden sich gleich anfühlen, da sie beide Inertgase sind?
Ich würde es vorziehen, Argon zu verwenden, weil es so gut wie unmöglich ist, einen Stickstoffregler mit einer Leistung von Litern pro Minute zu bekommen, wo ich wohne. Es ist auch hier nicht möglich, einen Argon-Durchflussmesser an einem Stickstofftank zu verwenden, da diese völlig unterschiedliche Gewinde/Anschlüsse haben. Aber ich kann leicht einen Argonregler mit Litern pro Minute und einen 1m3 (1 Meter gewürfelten) Argontank bekommen.
@Greenberg Entschuldigen Sie die Störung, aber wissen Sie etwas darüber?
Hat noch jemand Ideen?

Vielen Dank!

Bei argon lieber hinlegen wenn du alles richtig machst wirst du schnell bewusstlos und spürst schwindel und dann bewusstlosigkeit

 

[FromGermany]

Read this post for an Argon case: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-with-mask-exit-strategy.5576/page-3#post-94722 for a person who was successful.

And this post as a warning for too low flow (lower than 20 Liter/Minute), too low gas or not well made bag, tubing, all these small details. Even if this guy was very lucky and had no brain damage, not everyone hits the jackpot.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/case-of-surviving-argon-exit-bag.75969/#post-1368008

 

[Ta555]

Read this post for an Argon case: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-with-mask-exit-strategy.5576/page-3#post-94722 for a person who was successful.

And this post as a warning for too low flow (lower than 20 Liter/Minute), too low gas or not well made bag, tubing, all these small details. Even if this guy was very lucky and had no brain damage, not everyone hits the jackpot.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/case-of-surviving-argon-exit-bag.75969/#post-1368008

Thank you. I have actually read the Korean article and I wondered why he failed. It doesn't say how long he had the bag on for which would have been good to know!

 

[blueclover_.]

OK. G

I'm sorry.


I like your cut g

 

[FromGermany]

Thank you. I have actually read the Korean article and I wondered why he failed. It doesn't say how long he had the bag on for which would have been good to know!

According to the parents they had left the house for about one hour and returned to find their son next to a cylinder of argon gas. He was seated in a chair with a plastic bag over his face which was connected to the cylinder by a rubber pipe. There was condensation on the inside of the bag, and the mouth of the bag had a string that could be tightened around the neck to prevent gas leakage.

 

[BeBraveBrother]

I just read the original report and I don't see a full and honest report. They don't describe why he failed nor can we say that it is objective. So we can only speculate why he survived. It is the only purpose of the "report" to promote against the choice to choose for or against life (because they they are programmed to believe that any choice against life is sick) so they will want to let me believe that it is likely to fail.

I read medical reports confirming that people succeeded both with pure helium and nitrogen.

I would bet that it all depends on having almost 100% inert gas in the bag and no CO or oxygen left (for at least 15minutes).

I won't let myself get into scaremongering by some politicaly drive report.

 

[Ta555]

I just read the original report and I don't see a full and honest report. They don't describe why he failed nor can we say that it is objective. So we can only speculate why he survived. It is the only purpose of the "report" to promote against the choice to choose for or against life (because they they are programmed to believe that any choice against life is sick) so they will want to let me believe that it is likely to fail.

I read medical reports confirming that people succeeded both with pure helium and nitrogen.

I would bet that it all depends on having almost 100% inert gas in the bag and no CO or oxygen left (for at least 15minutes).

I won't let myself get into scaremongering by some politicaly drive report.

I don't think there's any lies in the report just a lot of omission of information. They say the parents were gone for an hour but that doesn't mean he had the bag on for an hour. He had to obviously set everything up and possibly test it make adjustments etc so it's very possible he only had the bag on for a couple of minutes. There may also have been a hole in the bag or he didn't tighten it much leaving too big of a gap for air to come in.
The method works, they just don't want to tell us why it didn't work in this instance, whether he was discovered too early or something was wrong with his set up. The lack of detail is frustrating but like you said, they won't want to give that info to the public.

 

[BeBraveBrother]

I don't think there's any lies in the report just a lot of omission of information. They say the parents were gone for an hour but that doesn't mean he had the bag on for an hour. He had to obviously set everything up and possibly test it make adjustments etc so it's very possible he only had the bag on for a couple of minutes. There may also have been a hole in the bag or he didn't tighten it much leaving too big of a gap for air to come in.
The method works, they just don't want to tell us why it didn't work in this instance, whether he was discovered too early or something was wrong with his set up. The lack of detail is frustrating but like you said, they won't want to give that info to the public.

I also don't believe that the story is made up but they leave out all Information that would make it possible to understand why he survived.

As long as nobody knows if he followed the instructions that are given in the known right to die literature, there is no proof that it can fail if I follow the instructions.
On the other hand I do have proof that it suceeded with individuals that seem to have followed the instructions.
Therefore it won't make me doubt that it works if I follow the instructions.

 

[Ta555]

I also don't believe that the story is made up but they leave out all Information that would make it possible to understand why he survived.

As long as nobody knows if he followed the instructions that are given in the known right to die literature, there is no proof that it can fail if I follow the instructions.
On the other hand I do have proof that it suceeded with individuals that seem to have followed the instructions.
Therefore it won't make me doubt that it works if I follow the instructions.

Yep, we know it works though personally as I've said on other posts I wouldn't only use one method no matter what method it was because I'm too cautious like that.