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Wrennie

Wrennie

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Dec 18, 2019
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Pardon my French, but yes, the vast majority of doctors I've interacted with had the 'out-of-the-box thinking' capabilities of an invertebrate, and scheduling appointments with them was like tossing my money into a shredder.

It's like they spend all those years at med school just learning how to treat blisters and stubbed toes.

All of them go 'by the book' and are so afraid of being innovative or taking an individualized approach toward treating their patients.

We were born into the Stone Age of medicine. Anyone that disagrees or who thinks that we've made substantial progress hasn't known what it's like to be truly sick and afflicted with something there's no consensus on a cure for.

I could go on for hours but those were just my main points. After all, I'm going to be forced to CTB solely due to their incompetence, so I believe I have a right to be angry.
 
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WornOutLife

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Mar 22, 2020
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I've had the same experience, dear.
I mean, I've seen some amazing doctors but most of the time, I just got disappointed, especially by psychiatrists (and therapists too but well, they're not doctors)

I mean, how on Earth can you study something for about 10 years and be so insensitive to some people? Can't you just understand them and really help them instead of sticking to a goddamn book? Nonsense!!!

With teachers, the same happens. I have lots of flaws but many students have told me that they really like my lessons because I'm not a teacher who looks like a robot and just teaches boring stuff haha.
 
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BlankUser

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Apr 24, 2021
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I blame doctors for messing up my health even more. I was misdiagnosed multiple times. My horrible spine injury wasn't properly diagnosed and I was given unhelpful meds. Then my mental illness was misdiagnosed and I was given wrong meds, wrong therapy. Then one of my doctors sexually harassed me when I had to undress in front of him for a health checkup.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
35,593
Yes, I have had bad experiences with doctors. Many say physical symptoms are just a result of anxiety/all in your head and then they just prescribe medication which you don't need which causes many side effects. They just want to get rid of you as quickly as possible. It is one of the worst things about having many disorders, having to see these types of people. There really is a lack of progress towards cures for many illnesses, it can make life feel hopeless.
 
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WornOutLife

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Mar 22, 2020
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Then one of my doctors sexually harassed me when I had to undress in front of him for a health checkup.

That's disgusting! I'm really sorry to hear you had to go through that, dear.
Doctors, well, any kind of human being can be such bastards.
It's because of people of them that I really wish there was a hell (worse than this one) so that they can suffer forever and ever there!
 
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LONE WOLF.

LONE WOLF.

PUNISHER.
Nov 4, 2020
1,988
I find the Main problem with Quacks is that they don't know how to listen!!! The same for the Mental Health Sheeples!!!
 
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killedbypsychiatry

killedbypsychiatry

drugging kids is abuse
Jan 27, 2021
797
yess!! the vast majority of doctors are complete arrogant idiots and I really don't understand how they spend 9+ years in med school just to become the 3rd cause of death... they just know how to give out pills (that can harm you muchhh more) and don't care about looking for the root cause.

All of my issues are also iatrogenic and it makes me so angry trusting someone who supposedly should know how to care about health, costed me my health. So ironic I would have been a billion times better health wise if I had never seen a doctor.

Also, I hate how the majority of doctors are super arrogant and entitled (even tho they are super ignorant in many ways) and if I ever suggest something, or do my own research, they treat me as if I'm too big for my britches. I really hate doctors with a passion and I really understand you.
 
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Wrennie

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I blame doctors for messing up my health even more. I was misdiagnosed multiple times. My horrible spine injury wasn't properly diagnosed and I was given unhelpful meds. Then my mental illness was misdiagnosed and I was given wrong meds, wrong therapy. Then one of my doctors sexually harassed me when I had to undress in front of him for a health checkup.
As a fellow spine injury sufferer I just want to say that I sympathize with your pain. I have had to consult multiple radiologists just to get an accurate diagnosis and it's exhausting.

And as for the sexual harassment aspect - Holy shit, there are just no words to describe how horrific what that man did to you was. I am so unfathomably sorry that that scoundrel got away with such lascivious conduct toward you!
 
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Mar 24, 2021
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Doctors make mistakes like everyone else - they write incorrect diagnosis and incorrect treatment.
 
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Jumper Geo

Life's a bitch and then you die.
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Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
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In my experience as an Asian, nobody I know who's studied to become a doctor actually wanted to be one. They all only did it for money or to please their unloving parents or both. Doctors cheat their way through med school anyway.
 
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come to dust

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Oct 28, 2019
454
I've had the same experience, dear.
I mean, I've seen some amazing doctors but most of the time, I just got disappointed, especially by psychiatrists (and therapists too but well, they're not doctors)

I mean, how on Earth can you study something for about 10 years and be so insensitive to some people? Can't you just understand them and really help them instead of sticking to a goddamn book? Nonsense!!!

With teachers, the same happens. I have lots of flaws but many students have told me that they really like my lessons because I'm not a teacher who looks like a robot and just teaches boring stuff haha.
The problem is they spend 10 years just rote learning about facts and procedures. Gives them a robotic mindset. There is no open mindedness or empathy as part of the curriculum
 
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the_final_countdown

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Dec 29, 2020
337
As a fellow spine injury sufferer I just want to say that I sympathize with your pain. I have had to consult multiple radiologists just to get an accurate diagnosis and it's exhausting.

And as for the sexual harassment aspect - Holy shit, there are just no words to describe how horrific what that man did to you was. I am so unfathomably sorry that that scoundrel got away with such lascivious conduct toward you!
Mine are all iatrogenic as well. It's frustrating.

But I also had very rare reactions that very few people get. So it is what it is.
 
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Mine are all iatrogenic as well. It's frustrating.

But I also had very rare reactions that very few people get. So it is what it is.
Rare reactions are my default. My body is wired differently than your typical human being it seems. I'm utterly incompatible with the medical solutions that work for the general population, so I feel your pain in that respect.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,655
You are so spot on, as always. I didn't mean to write a novel here, but ended up with a dissertation in the end because your words had me so fired up. Doctors have caused a world of pain for so many of us, facing little to no consequences, while the lives of wonderful people like you are ruined by their incompetence.

There are so many problems with the medical industry, but most people are blind to them. Why? Because they either have yet to experience malpractice and negligence themselves, therefore having no frame of reference, or they appeal to authority and see doctors as benevolent, all knowing, magnanimous figures who always have good intentions.

From a very young age, I was frequently told that doctors knew best. When I was stripped by them for no reason as a child at a "routine appointment", my dignity and consent taken from me as they violated me, my mind was permanently altered. I was told by other people it was normal to be forced into examinations and procedures, it was normal to have to give up my clothes, even if I was a fucking terrified 5 year old. I was told this was a fact of life I had to deal with.

There was absolutely no medical reason that had to happen. Yet throughout my life, I have been told that because I have female anatomy, I better get used to losing my modesty, especially to doctors. I have struggled with my gender and sexuality my whole life, because of the mistreatment I suffered from doctors and the older men who molested me.

I never knew how insidious and pernicious this profession was, till I got put on the psychiatry gravy train. After I got sexually abused by a classmate, at around age 13/14, I was taken to a GP who diagnosed me with depression and anxiety, because I was panicking and didn't want to be unnecessarily touched by strangers. They wouldn't let me just chat, no, they wanted to touch me, but not send me for any blood tests, scans, or any sort of clinically relevant test.

So I started being forced to take psychiatric medications, which lasted for many years. I had severe vitamin deficiencies that were wrecking havoc on my immune system, but any issue I had was chalked up to this mystical label of depression. Suddenly, any problem I had could be accounted for by a psychiatric diagnosis.

By the time I got chronically ill, it was too late. I developed full blown CFS at the age of 17, after having a severe bout of flu and another viral infection. My psychiatrist decided, two years later, to finally give me a blood test. The values were some of the worst she'd ever seen. Even after I corrected the vitamin deficiencies, I have not recovered in the slightest, the damage has already been done.

My health problems have only compounded since then. I have wasted so much money and time on specialist doctors who would gaslight me and try to tell me the pain is in my head when the blood tests and MRIs show "normal" results. There are no biomarkers, no laboratory tests, and no treatments for CFS, so you'll always be labeled as a psychiatric case. It's the same with my IBS and chronic pain, no one takes it seriously.

I got sexually assaulted by a young male doctor around a year and a half ago which has worsened my ptsd considerably. I cannot even be near a hospital or doctors surgery without going into complete fight or flight mode. All the medical staff think this is a hilarious joke and that I am a basket case.

Because of the stigmatisation of benzos and painkillers due to the liability of addiction, I cannot get anything to help with this horrible suffering. I do not bother these people, I am deathly quiet, shivering and afraid, yet they mock me and treat me as if I'm a caricature of One Flew Over the Coocoo's Nest.

I gave up trying to get any sort of assistance from these clowns. It's exactly as you say, their training gives them no leeway for outside the box thinking. Governments and regulatory bodies highly discourage any experimental or off label treatments due to risk of liability- the NHS loves to do this especially, which is why you can't get medicinal marijiana in the UK. You can't kill yourself, yet you can't take any sort of risk even if you're in dire straights with nothing to lose.. Got it.

There's also this culture, in chronic illness and chronic pain circles, that if you aren't constantly pursuing doctors, then you're defeatist and aren't trying hard enough to get better. It is disgusting, especially for those in countries where health care services are for profit and bleed money from you like a damn leech.

There's only so many times a person can hear, "Go on a diet, do yoga, then go to CBT therapy, sweatie. " before they lose sanity. Our culture does not allow doctors to be honest and admit when they can't help with something. They are not allowed to say they have no solutions, unless you have something like terminal cancer where it's glaringly obvious that everything is failing. People refuse to accept futility. Labels like CFS, fibromyalgia, unspecified chronic pain, POTS, IBS, are all tautologies, concealing the fact that current science does not know the etiology of these diseases or what they even truly are.

Doing your own research and investigations gets you branded as arrogant. "Your 5 minute Google search can't replace 8 years of expertise" is something I hear a lot, even from my own partner, despite the fact that I have been the one who has figured out most of my issues to date. I always had to try to convince doctors of the evidence that was sitting right under their noses, the facts they were too stubborn to acknowledge because it challenges their dynamic of authority. This reality is vile and unscientific.

I am always gaslit by other people who try to shrug off my trauma as "Oh, you just lived in a seedy area. Not ALL doctors are bad." It's a cop out to ignore the systemic issues at play. This is a large reason why my ptsd will never improve. All the therapy is geared towards trusting the system and the people who take part in it, rather than addressing it's flaws. You will always be blamed for recoiling when you've been hurt, rather than the onus being on the one who has burned you.

I believe your pain, 100%. Wrennie, you deserve compassion and genuine help, not whatever fobbing off and malpractice these shitty doctors have saddled you with. Your experiences are real and a reflection of an unpleasant reality that many refuse to acknowledge-that experts and authority figures can be monsters just as easily as anyone else.

I hope one day people will truly take to heart the knowledge of your suffering and what you've had to endure. I hope these doctors can have a conscience about the damage they've dealt. Being respected and treated with kindness should be the bare minimum in any social interaction, anyone who would not take your agony seriously is a twat with no empathy.

Fuck doctors.
 
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Hurt

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Nov 13, 2020
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100% agreed. The only doctor I don't hate is Philip Nitchske
 
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MindFrog

MindFrog

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Nov 19, 2020
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If I were any younger, I would've strongly disagreed with you but knowing the things I know now, I can't help but agree to the sentiment at least.

Thru the lenses of an intern, I've seen doctors from being dumb to being downright disgusting. You'll never know what people say and do behind hospital walls. Not to mention my horrible mental health visits.

I still think they can help, but I don't have the heart to trust them with my mind and body anymore.

They have too much power. And a hospital setting can be a good breeding ground for abuse.
 
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Wrennie

Wrennie

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Dec 18, 2019
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You are so spot on, as always. I didn't mean to write a novel here, but ended up with a dissertation in the end because your words had me so fired up. Doctors have caused a world of pain for so many of us, facing little to no consequences, while the lives of wonderful people like you are ruined by their incompetence.

There are so many problems with the medical industry, but most people are blind to them. Why? Because they either have yet to experience malpractice and negligence themselves, therefore having no frame of reference, or they appeal to authority and see doctors as benevolent, all knowing, magnanimous figures who always have good intentions.

From a very young age, I was frequently told that doctors knew best. When I was stripped by them for no reason as a child at a "routine appointment", my dignity and consent taken from me as they violated me, my mind was permanently altered. I was told by other people it was normal to be forced into examinations and procedures, it was normal to have to give up my clothes, even if I was a fucking terrified 5 year old. I was told this was a fact of life I had to deal with.

There was absolutely no medical reason that had to happen. Yet throughout my life, I have been told that because I have female anatomy, I better get used to losing my modesty, especially to doctors. I have struggled with my gender and sexuality my whole life, because of the mistreatment I suffered from doctors and the older men who molested me.

I never knew how insidious and pernicious this profession was, till I got put on the psychiatry gravy train. After I got sexually abused by a classmate, at around age 13/14, I was taken to a GP who diagnosed me with depression and anxiety, because I was panicking and didn't want to be unnecessarily touched by strangers. They wouldn't let me just chat, no, they wanted to touch me, but not send me for any blood tests, scans, or any sort of clinically relevant test.

So I started being forced to take psychiatric medications, which lasted for many years. I had severe vitamin deficiencies that were wrecking havoc on my immune system, but any issue I had was chalked up to this mystical label of depression. Suddenly, any problem I had could be accounted for by a psychiatric diagnosis.

By the time I got chronically ill, it was too late. I developed full blown CFS at the age of 17, after having a severe bout of flu and another viral infection. My psychiatrist decided, two years later, to finally give me a blood test. The values were some of the worst she'd ever seen. Even after I corrected the vitamin deficiencies, I have not recovered in the slightest, the damage has already been done.

My health problems have only compounded since then. I have wasted so much money and time on specialist doctors who would gaslight me and try to tell me the pain is in my head when the blood tests and MRIs show "normal" results. There are no biomarkers, no laboratory tests, and no treatments for CFS, so you'll always be labeled as a psychiatric case. It's the same with my IBS and chronic pain, no one takes it seriously.

I got sexually assaulted by a young male doctor around a year and a half ago which has worsened my ptsd considerably. I cannot even be near a hospital or doctors surgery without going into complete fight or flight mode. All the medical staff think this is a hilarious joke and that I am a basket case.

Because of the stigmatisation of benzos and painkillers due to the liability of addiction, I cannot get anything to help with this horrible suffering. I do not bother these people, I am deathly quiet, shivering and afraid, yet they mock me and treat me as if I'm a caricature of One Flew Over the Coocoo's Nest.

I gave up trying to get any sort of assistance from these clowns. It's exactly as you say, their training gives them no leeway for outside the box thinking. Governments and regulatory bodies highly discourage any experimental or off label treatments due to risk of liability- the NHS loves to do this especially, which is why you can't get medicinal marijiana in the UK. You can't kill yourself, yet you can't take any sort of risk even if you're in dire straights with nothing to lose.. Got it.

There's also this culture, in chronic illness and chronic pain circles, that if you aren't constantly pursuing doctors, then you're defeatist and aren't trying hard enough to get better. It is disgusting, especially for those in countries where health care services are for profit and bleed money from you like a damn leech.

There's only so many times a person can hear, "Go on a diet, do yoga, then go to CBT therapy, sweatie. " before they lose sanity. Our culture does not allow doctors to be honest and admit when they can't help with something. They are not allowed to say they have no solutions, unless you have something like terminal cancer where it's glaringly obvious that everything is failing. People refuse to accept futility. Labels like CFS, fibromyalgia, unspecified chronic pain, POTS, IBS, are all tautologies, concealing the fact that current science does not know the etiology of these diseases or what they even truly are.

Doing your own research and investigations gets you branded as arrogant. "Your 5 minute Google search can't replace 8 years of expertise" is something I hear a lot, even from my own partner, despite the fact that I have been the one who has figured out most of my issues to date. I always had to try to convince doctors of the evidence that was sitting right under their noses, the facts they were too stubborn to acknowledge because it challenges their dynamic of authority. This reality is vile and unscientific.

I am always gaslit by other people who try to shrug off my trauma as "Oh, you just lived in a seedy area. Not ALL doctors are bad." It's a cop out to ignore the systemic issues at play. This is a large reason why my ptsd will never improve. All the therapy is geared towards trusting the system and the people who take part in it, rather than addressing it's flaws. You will always be blamed for recoiling when you've been hurt, rather than the onus being on the one who has burned you.

I believe your pain, 100%. Wrennie, you deserve compassion and genuine help, not whatever fobbing off and malpractice these shitty doctors have saddled you with. Your experiences are real and a reflection of an unpleasant reality that many refuse to acknowledge-that experts and authority figures can be monsters just as easily as anyone else.

I hope one day people will truly take to heart the knowledge of your suffering and what you've had to endure. I hope these doctors can have a conscience about the damage they've dealt. Being respected and treated with kindness should be the bare minimum in any social interaction, anyone who would not take your agony seriously is a twat with no empathy.

Fuck doctors.
You make so many excellent points (as always) that I can truly relate to on a deeply personal level! I too was diagnosed "too late" with my chronic medical issues, and as a result have irreversible brain damage from childhood PANDAS that my brain literally developed around, so I totally get the anger and frustration at finally being told that there IS something wrong, only for there to be nothing to be done about it. But I suppose the former is infinitely better than the alternative of having something be wrong and then nobody being able to pinpoint what that exact something is & just shrugging you off as a hypochondriac when you're genuinely suffering. That much is unforgivable, and I've had to deal with more of that as of late ever since my accident. I'm "healed", so there "shouldn't be any more pain to suffer from", or "that injury is mild" despite it being a precursor to an irreversible degenerative condition that I want to nip in the bud now while it's still relatively manageable and there's still the tiniest inkling of hope of there being a possibility of recovery. Doctors dismissing your symptoms and acting as 'holy gatekeepers' to your health is why so many people can't lead normal, productive lives.

There's also the problem of there being no agreed-upon consensus among doctors about the conditions they diagnose you with or the treatments for said conditions (and by the time they DO agree on something, it's then usually an extremely outdated method of treatment). For example, it took me consulting FIVE different radiologists until one was able to properly identify the multiple degenerative problems with my spine (and maybe he missed something too, for all I know). Another radiologist I was discussing a minimally invasive procedure with said that he didn't put his faith in it because the studies that promoted its efficacy were funded by the corporation that produced the medical device which was used in it.

Also with regard to my hip: I broke it during the fall, and my orthopedic surgeon didn't even bother to measure my leg lengths in the follow-up appointment after my surgery to make sure that they were even, even though I was now walking with a limp (He also only showed up for the last five minutes of the appointment, despite me having scheduled it to be WITH HIM personally, not his assistant). His assistant told me it wasn't something to worry about, but when I got home and did some research it became apparent that my type of injury and the surgery required to correct it often result in shortening of the limb; sometimes excessively, which can cause damaging compensations throughout your entire body as it tries to make it so your foot can reach the ground. His assistant also asked me if the nerve damage and limp were something I could just "live with", because in this day-and-age tolerating the daily pain and discomfort is the only option we are given.

Another doctor (this one being my psychiatrist) told me flat out that he was "stupid" (his actual wording) and "had no idea what was happening to me" when I developed insufferable brain twinges, excessive hand tremoring, and an inability to open my left eye without the entire left side of my face spasming as a side effect of Wellbutrin.

YET ANOTHER psychiatrist (this one being from the psych ward) dismissed my excruciating allergic reaction to the drug Haldol by simply saying "That's not supported by the literature" when I was describing my symptoms to him, and then he treated me like I was utterly mad (I was going mad with PAIN. Anyone feeling the nerve pain I was experiencing at that point in time would be doubled-over in agony, yet I was forced to stand so that I could maintain the illusion of "normalcy" and "functionality" that met their standards of how a typical human being should behave). That whole incident with the Haldol happened less than a month after I jumped off a building (which was due to another psychiatric med side effect), so I was still braced & using a walker and looked utterly pitiful, yet those mental health professionals were still devoid of any sympathy toward me.

I am so unimaginably sorry for everything you have gone through, Kuri. I don't blame you at all for being completely done with the medical system as a whole. And as for the sexual assault aspect, anyone who makes you feel invalid for having such intense, involuntary responses when in the presence of doctors is abject human trash that should be tossed to the curb. You deserve so much better than what this life has given you, especially as an intuitive individual who provides as many thought-provoking insights as you do! Your posts always make me stop and think and reevaluate this world. I find both them and you to be an indispensably precious part of this forum. :heart:
 
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reborn87

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Doctors are morons and have no compassion. I open my next life I will be born in better conditions doctors know better.
 
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