Do you think the world would improve for us if more of the elites were suicidal?

[noname223]

I am not sure. I am also not sure how many of the elites are suicidal. There was if think 2,5 years ago a German federal treasure secretary who committed suicide. He was a christian conservative the party which wants to deny assisted suicide rights by any means. I think he had depressions and the covid crisis increased his pain. Though I don't want to make too many speculations.

I have the feeling many of the elites were/are very scared about the outing. Showing a weakness in a high position can be really detrimental. I could imagine many of them are on the surface really strong pro-life but secretly they have another stance on it. The stigmitization is pretty rough.

I could imagine many people have a cognitive/emotional dissonance in this instance. Especially if you are surrounded by many religious people this must be pretty horrible. I have read that from members who have to act like they would share specific religious beliefs (due to the country were they live). This must be awful and very painful.

It is pretty insane how much power the evangelicals in the US have. I am really glad that my country is more secular and prone to atheism. The direction is the right one you can also see that in surveys about assisted suicide.

I don't want to mock the conservatives/religions too much. There is a lot of charity and voluntary work the religous people do. This is pretty good for poor people. But I don't like how paternalistic they behave. I don't share your religious beliefs why should I believe in your stigmatization of assisted suicide? I don't force you to apply for it. It is my life. I can agree that it should not be a decision solely on impulse. The person should have a consistent and persistent wish to die.

But when I read how they treat mentally ill I am just so sick about the paternalism. It is true I am mentally ill. But this does not mean that all my wishes are irrational, what am I a child? I am allowed to drive a car, sign contracts which could ruin all my financials, I have to do everyday important choices. If I was that ill and irrational the people had to lock me up forever because I could jump in front of a train any time.

Maybe this was a little bit off-topic. I am just still mad the politicians of my country want to resist the liberal assisted suicide ruling of the highest court. I have the feeling many of these religious people are hypocrites. You can see how prude they present themselves but in secret they watch hardcore porn anyway. Statistics prove that. Not for all of them but for many this is true.

My conclusion: I think many of them are too scared about the stigmatization so that they would not be fully openly in favor of more liberal assisted suicide laws etc.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

For all we know, maybe a decent number of them already are but like you mentioned with the porn, they arbitrarily gatekeep the hell out of it just to prevent themselves from getting tempted or to cover their own tracks. One thing I've noticed from some pro life people is that whenever they talk about suicide, they very clearly talk about it as if they're in denial and also trying to convince themselves that life is totally worth living.

What would elites with all this power and influence have to be suicidal about? No idea, but I know that if I had that kind of control over things, the ability to crush the hopes and expectations of others would help make me feel better as a coping mechanism. So to answer your question, there are plenty of people who would benefit the world by committing suicide though it's just based on what they're actually like as people.

 

[Oblivion Access]

When has suicidality ever made someone act better?

 

[noname223]

For all we know, maybe a decent number of them already are but like you mentioned with the porn, they arbitrarily gatekeep the hell out of it just to prevent themselves from getting tempted or to cover their own tracks. One thing I've noticed from some pro life people is that whenever they talk about suicide, they very clearly talk about it as if they're in denial and also trying to convince themselves that life is totally worth living.

What would elites with all this power and influence have to be suicidal about? No idea, but I know that if I had that kind of control over things, the ability to crush the hopes and expectations of others would help make me feel better as a coping mechanism. So to answer your question, there are plenty of people who would benefit the world by committing suicide though it's just based on what they're actually like as people.

I don't mean that they should commit suicide. I rather had the thought in mind that there could be more empathy for suicidal people. Better financial support, better therapy capabilities and in case someone has a persistent wish to exit this life an option how to die with dignity.

If they had personal experiences with this topic they might become more empathetic for it.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I don't mean that they should commit suicide. I rather had the thought in mind that there could be more empathy for suicidal people. Better financial support, better therapy capabilities and in case someone has a persistent wish to exit this life an option how to die with dignity.

If they had personal experiences with this topic they might become more empathetic for it.

And what I'm saying is that even if there are elites who feel that way, it's still more beneficial to them to ignore their empathy (if they even have any) because keeping the masses alive is more important to them than potentially giving away their secrets and exclusive potential access to certain methods or treatments. Those things becoming more available would only hinder the people who already have access to them.

 

[LucyB]

Those you refer to as "elite" are not individual people. They operate as a hive mind and are completely controlled by the "God" of this world much like you would control a video game character.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

I don't empathise with them at all anyway, people with that lifestyle are very far removed from me. I was curious so looked into suicides of rich people, and the few I saw it was either because they lost money(but still far richer than most of us), a scandal of their own doing was uncovered, or sometimes a murder-suicide. For most of them not regular hardship.


When I was walking down the street the other day, I was walking down a road full of rich people's houses. They had huge, well maintained front gardens, 4+ expensive cars parked, and so on, and the whole street was really beautiful, and really long (I walked for miles). I wondered what it would be like growing up in a house like that, living in a house like that, having a normal family, then I moved on.

 

[Shu]

Those you refer to as "elite" are not individual people. They operate as a hive mind and are completely controlled by the "God" of this world much like you would control a video game character.

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