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INTJme
Epeolatrist
- Mar 22, 2024
- 336
Because there's no coming back from that. Simple.
AnonymousL
Specialist
- Apr 5, 2023
- 369
It's a definite decision that have great consequences and risks. So yes
onbekend
Experienced
- Jan 14, 2024
- 258
I can't speak for others, But I personally have no other solutions to run to and I have just a little time to do it (the deadline for me is August). So my answer would be yes, It's a last resort thing.
Ash
What dreams may come?
- Oct 4, 2021
- 1,563
As with anything, I believe that if I've tried and tried and stood back and looked at different methods and learnt new skills to help and I still can't do it, then it's ok to step back and say I'm done. But unlike tasks or relationships or jobs or hobbies and sport or whatever, there's no coming back. So I'd have to mean it but with a clear conscience, if that makes sense.
(Edited to change to first person as it's about me, not anyone else and I don't think my opinions should impact on anyone else's decision unless they specifically ask.)
(Edited to change to first person as it's about me, not anyone else and I don't think my opinions should impact on anyone else's decision unless they specifically ask.)
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strangelife
Specialist
- Feb 16, 2024
- 357
In my case, I don't see any other way out, with my illness and my condition, life doesn't make sense anymore.
I believe it's a personal choice. I think it's one that needs to be very seriously considered, definitely. But no, I don't think someone should necessarily put themselves through every possible thing just for the sake of doing it. Especially if they don't believe in it. How likely will it work if they have no faith in it?
Plus- more importantly- WHO are they trying to satisfy here? Themselves? Fine- if they still have hope but- if they don't- then, they're doing it to satisfy other people's requirements. What right have they got to stipulate what we do with our lives?
I think a lot of the time, we're talking about what other people think we should have tried before we throw the towel in. Should cancer patients hold on because a treatment is bound to be around the corner? Should someone about to be made redundant and evicted try out homelessness for a while because- maybe it won't be as bad as they think? Should someone suffering with their mental health try every drug offered to them? If that fails, ECT, moving on to illegal drugs on the street. Maybe they could find some unscrupulous backstreet surgeon willing to perform a labotomy. Might work- right? Worth a shot?
I think people should remember- it is the very people they are supposedly trying to help that will need to put themselves through these things. More importantly- these aren't people like them (most likely.) These are people who are exhausted. They likely have little to no hope. Little to no enjoyment left in life. They may struggle just to get out of bed in the morning! They may have already tried a whole bunch of things to improve their life- self help books, therapy, meds, exercise, walks in nature, talking to friends, pursuing a hobby, changing careers, moving. Who hasn't already tried at least some of those things? When will they have done enough? When THEY think they've done enough I'd say. Sure- you can suggest other things they could try. But, there's the phrase: 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.' If they've had enough after considering all their options- thoroughly of course, that's good enough for me.
As a side note though- I'd say there are sometimes problems with this. A minor may not have enough perspective to realise that failing one maths test isn't the end of the world. Similarly, someone suffering with a mental illness may have a skewed perspective. But- even with mental health, there are choices to be made. Plenty of people here know or suspect they are mentally ill. Plenty are getting treatment. If that treatment isn't working (I'd say it isn't if they're on a suicide forum!) how long should they put up with that illness while their doctors faff about trying to make them better? Again- do we expect cancer patients to hang around while they find a miracle cure?
Plus- more importantly- WHO are they trying to satisfy here? Themselves? Fine- if they still have hope but- if they don't- then, they're doing it to satisfy other people's requirements. What right have they got to stipulate what we do with our lives?
I think a lot of the time, we're talking about what other people think we should have tried before we throw the towel in. Should cancer patients hold on because a treatment is bound to be around the corner? Should someone about to be made redundant and evicted try out homelessness for a while because- maybe it won't be as bad as they think? Should someone suffering with their mental health try every drug offered to them? If that fails, ECT, moving on to illegal drugs on the street. Maybe they could find some unscrupulous backstreet surgeon willing to perform a labotomy. Might work- right? Worth a shot?
I think people should remember- it is the very people they are supposedly trying to help that will need to put themselves through these things. More importantly- these aren't people like them (most likely.) These are people who are exhausted. They likely have little to no hope. Little to no enjoyment left in life. They may struggle just to get out of bed in the morning! They may have already tried a whole bunch of things to improve their life- self help books, therapy, meds, exercise, walks in nature, talking to friends, pursuing a hobby, changing careers, moving. Who hasn't already tried at least some of those things? When will they have done enough? When THEY think they've done enough I'd say. Sure- you can suggest other things they could try. But, there's the phrase: 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.' If they've had enough after considering all their options- thoroughly of course, that's good enough for me.
As a side note though- I'd say there are sometimes problems with this. A minor may not have enough perspective to realise that failing one maths test isn't the end of the world. Similarly, someone suffering with a mental illness may have a skewed perspective. But- even with mental health, there are choices to be made. Plenty of people here know or suspect they are mentally ill. Plenty are getting treatment. If that treatment isn't working (I'd say it isn't if they're on a suicide forum!) how long should they put up with that illness while their doctors faff about trying to make them better? Again- do we expect cancer patients to hang around while they find a miracle cure?
Little_Suzy
Amphibious
- May 1, 2023
- 902
When you die naturally, it is not considered quitting; rather, it signifies the conclusion of your life.
Suicide should be treated as a natural death rather than a "last resort" because it reeks of immaturity. This is why suicide is considered a taboo, rather than a dignified death.
If you want to die on a specific day and in a particular manner, that is entirely up to you.
Suicide should be treated as a natural death rather than a "last resort" because it reeks of immaturity. This is why suicide is considered a taboo, rather than a dignified death.
If you want to die on a specific day and in a particular manner, that is entirely up to you.
Suicide should be last resort bc it's final there is no way back once you were successful. Death is the the only relief from all suffering in life, no doubt. Life is also subject to change, we don't know the future. This is more difficult to answer than I have thought it is when I read the thread title. I don't know if that makes sense. In the end it's a personal decision when there is no other way out.
ijustwishtodie
death will be my ultimate bliss
- Oct 29, 2023
- 3,677
This is going to be controversial but, no, I don't believe that suicide should always be the last resort. After all, if one were to actually succeed in a suicide attempt, they cannot regret not staying alive instead of killing themselves as they no longer exist. People here are saying that suicide is permanent which, well, of course it is but it's permanent in a way such that the one killing themselves cannot regret doing the attempt to begin with. The only people who can think about the alternative scenario in where the one killing themselves lived on instead are the people who are currently alive right now and I think that it's illogical to say that things could be better for the one who killed themselves as... they no longer exist. People only have a chance to get better if they are alive, not if they are dead and I also believe that this fact means that suicide should be a personal choice regardless of whether they tried to do everything to live or not. After all, those who are suicidal know that their life will cease to exist once they kill themselves as that's literally what suicide is - ending one's life early
Another reason why I don't really believe that suicide should always be a last resort is because of the idea that not everybody may want to recover to begin with. For some people, it's life itself that may be undesirable to them due to some unavoidable factor such as work and, unfortunately, there isn't really a way to circumvent things like work unless if you're a mega rich billionaire (if that's you, please do feel free to send some my way)
Another reason why I don't really believe that suicide should always be a last resort is because of the idea that not everybody may want to recover to begin with. For some people, it's life itself that may be undesirable to them due to some unavoidable factor such as work and, unfortunately, there isn't really a way to circumvent things like work unless if you're a mega rich billionaire (if that's you, please do feel free to send some my way)
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 35,483
No, for me suicide is the solution to suffering and way to find peace from the futile and torturous burden of existing as a human. For me existence was always something completely undesirable, I don't see what's supposedly so valuable and beneficial about something so meaningless, cruel and unnecessary as existence in order to justify suicide being the "last resort", I don't see any value in having the ability to suffer endlessly in an existence that only ever caused harm in the first place.
More than anything I wish I never existed at all and I believe non-existence to be preferable to any kind of life as nobody can suffer from the absence of everything yet in existence there is unlimited potential for pain and torment. All that existence does is create suffering and problems that there was never a need for in the first place, simply being conscious and aware is a curse to me, I see existence itself as so evil as it's the source of all suffering, I don't wish for existence but rather I only wish for the eternal absence of it.
More than anything I wish I never existed at all and I believe non-existence to be preferable to any kind of life as nobody can suffer from the absence of everything yet in existence there is unlimited potential for pain and torment. All that existence does is create suffering and problems that there was never a need for in the first place, simply being conscious and aware is a curse to me, I see existence itself as so evil as it's the source of all suffering, I don't wish for existence but rather I only wish for the eternal absence of it.
3/4Dead
Peace, Love, Empathy
- Feb 27, 2024
- 216
Totally; you don't know the future. Tomorrow could be a miracle (figuratively, this is obviously unlikely lol)
and like everyone has said, it's permanent. If you were to do anything else so definite and unchangable I would also think that should really be the last option after trying everything else
and like everyone has said, it's permanent. If you were to do anything else so definite and unchangable I would also think that should really be the last option after trying everything else
Undertow Mermaid
Human Centipede is a tour de force
- Feb 5, 2023
- 56
Pretty much what everyone else has said. It's the end, no coming back. So yeah should be a last resort. If you get an illness that means a slow painful death I feel you should be able to plan your own death. I wish assissted suicide was more accepted, because when someone's gonna go in a horrible way why deny them their own rights to wrapping up their lives before going out on their terms.
However if you mean mental illness related suicides, then I think people should actually try to better their life before just giving up. It's so easy to lay down and rot, but if you give it a shot to see if life could be better then why choose suicide over that? You can literally try to use your own power and will to change your life vs giving up without a fight. However I will never condemn someone for choosing to take an early exit. Sometimes you do try, and it doesn't work out, so who am I to take your agency of choice away?
I'm probably the worst friend to call if you're suicidal cause I'd be like "I mean if it's really what you want...."
However if you mean mental illness related suicides, then I think people should actually try to better their life before just giving up. It's so easy to lay down and rot, but if you give it a shot to see if life could be better then why choose suicide over that? You can literally try to use your own power and will to change your life vs giving up without a fight. However I will never condemn someone for choosing to take an early exit. Sometimes you do try, and it doesn't work out, so who am I to take your agency of choice away?
I'm probably the worst friend to call if you're suicidal cause I'd be like "I mean if it's really what you want...."
divinemistress36
Visionary
- Jan 1, 2024
- 2,417
Yes, but one shouldn't have to resort to brutal treatments like electro shock therapy like I did to try to get better. It comes to a point where it's not worth being a guinea pig for a maybe chance of feeling some relief. But a lot of people can get better with treatment it just sucks for the small percentage of us that can't. Sorry I'm very pessimistic today
jellie
Member
- May 9, 2023
- 97
it is a last resort. it is completely and utterly final and there is no coming back from death.
it is a solution i think people should have access to in an easy/painless way but it is also a last resort.
it is a solution i think people should have access to in an easy/painless way but it is also a last resort.
It is the last resort by its very nature, it can't be anything else.
Some people frame it up as something else but logically doesn't make sense to call it anything else as its permanent.
Some people frame it up as something else but logically doesn't make sense to call it anything else as its permanent.
Yes. In many cases CTBing is a final act for what is a transient problem. As far as I am concerned my issues aren't transient in fact I expect things to get worse far worse. That said I owe it to myself to double, triple, quadruple check that my issues are permanent not transient. I'm not sure when you have done enough checking. You only get one life. Don't CTB over a transient problem. Make sure it is permanent.... hope this made sense.
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,169
I see this everywhere "suicide should be the last resort" . This implies that you should fight to live and try everything before suicide. I see no reason to fight to live.We are all going to die anyway. What is the objective reason that I should want to live or fight to live? There is none. Life is meaningless suffering. It seems like others want strangers to fight to live because I hear and see this phrase everywhere directly and indirectly stated " you have to fight to live suicide should be the last resort" they continuously say
Why fight to live to remain a slave a prisoner? .suicide is the only thing for me , so for me it's the first resort . I don't care what other humans do or decide for their own lives .
Furthermore , I see life and this world as a prison torture dungeon. And me as a slave prisoner brainwashed torture puppet. So what would be the logical thing to do continue to fight to stay in this hell or look for an escape ?
We are all going to die anyway . So nothing matters. I want to avoid excruciating constant long lasting unbearable pain . I see some suicide methods as a way of avoiding unbearable pain and suicide is the only thing for me for many other reasons like escaping this evil imposition prison slavery torture
Why fight to live to remain a slave a prisoner? .suicide is the only thing for me , so for me it's the first resort . I don't care what other humans do or decide for their own lives .
Furthermore , I see life and this world as a prison torture dungeon. And me as a slave prisoner brainwashed torture puppet. So what would be the logical thing to do continue to fight to stay in this hell or look for an escape ?
We are all going to die anyway . So nothing matters. I want to avoid excruciating constant long lasting unbearable pain . I see some suicide methods as a way of avoiding unbearable pain and suicide is the only thing for me for many other reasons like escaping this evil imposition prison slavery torture
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pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,169
I don't have to check if anything is permanent nor do anything. I'm going to die anyway as every human will no matter what happens. I want to do my suicide. Anybody should have the choice to do what they want as long as it doesn't affect other people. I could kill myself today or next week I could get a stroke and die and either way wouldn't make a difference to anybody here or anywhere.
I don't need to have a reason it's because I want to
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I don't think I said for anyone to do or not do anything. As I have said multiple times here I just hope people find peace. I gave my view. If you CTB and the next day the world had planned for you to have the best day ever. A day you couldn't stop smiling because it was oh so damn good. That would be a sad thing to miss. If the rest of your life would be charmed.... I would find that sad. I am a Christian I believe I will go to heaven. I fear two things. 1) If I try to CTB and instead I incur a devastating injury and I am as a result paralyzed and etc... 2) When I get to heaven my punishment for CTBing is simply sitting while I see how my life would've unfolded if I hadn't CTB. If it is how I feel it will be I'd be fine with it. But what happens if it isn't. What happens if you were just turning the corner and the rest of your life was supposed to be charmed. You just had to white knuckle it a little more. That is why I said last resort and why I would to make sure I have dotted my i's and crossed my T's.
sserafim
brighter than the sun, that’s just me
- Sep 13, 2023
- 8,820
I think that people should be free to commit suicide as they should have freedom over their life, but suicide should be if your problems aren't resolvable and your life doesn't get better. It should be planned out rather than an impulsive decision. It's a big chance with a risk of failure and permanent damage. You could end up brain damaged or paralyzed, and be even worse off than you were before your attempt. That is the main thing preventing me from ctb. I don't see a future for myself nor do I want one, but the fear and consequences of failure are keeping me here trapped in this life and existence.
divinemistress36
Visionary
- Jan 1, 2024
- 2,417
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,169
I don't know about other humans. And I don't care what they do
For me
The only thing that will make me happy or has value to me is finally taking action my suicide . It's my only goal my life purpose to me the only rational act.
Nothing in your post will I ever agree with ever . Suicide. Is . My . Only . Goal
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The last thing I'm going to do on this site is to tell people what to do. I'm only going to say the way I think about things. I hope you find peace.
