Do you think that some beings who have incarnated in this realm/world are spiritually programmed for good?

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

In my past, I was so fed up with my caring and pure-hearted nature, that I have tried to become evil and careless. I am sure we are all familiar with those types of beings, you know, the dark-hearted and non-compassionate beings that seem to be over ruling most of humanity here in this world. Well in my past, I have tried to make myself like a spiritual mirror image to those dark beings. I have tried to reprogram myself so to speak, into a ruthless and carless individual. Somehow it never works for me as I plan it to. I always end up feeling the guilt and that foreign spiritual feeling of "this is not the real you, this is not why you came forth". Sometimes I feel that I am permanently spiritually programmed for goodness and pure-heartedness whilst I am here. No matter what I have done or the many methods that I have tried to become pure evil and careless, I just cannot fully submit to it. It just feels so enormously uncomfortable to me in every way. Do any of you also think that some of us were just spiritually programmed to be of purity and wholeness of heart during our lifetime here in this realm/world?

 

[Pluto]

Yes. If we go against our dharma, it will not work out and we will have no choice but to conform. Philosophies that believe life has a pre-destined script (a topic I prefer not to touch!) suggest that it is ultimately impossible to thwart the will of the universe.

 

[BeautifulMosaics]

Absolutely - though I'd never try to be like them, it's funny I was thinking yesterday I'm "burdened with knowing better". This world is not a fair place and if you are a pure hearted person it is hard to bear seeing the way others are. I think "programmed" is the right word, we simply are the way we are - good or bad. There are often no earthly rewards in being a good person but that's not what rules spiritual/perceptive people who have a pure heart anyway.

 

[motel rooms]

Sometimes I feel that I am permanently spiritually programmed for goodness and pure-heartedness whilst I am here. No matter what I have done or the many methods that I have tried to become pure evil and careless, I just cannot fully submit to it. It just feels so enormously uncomfortable to me in every way. Do any of you also think that some of us were just spiritually programmed to be of purity and wholeness of heart during our lifetime here in this realm/world?

No human being is goodness incarnate/morally impeccable...

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I am very sceptical about the possibilty of any adult never doing anything "impure" in their lifetime. The only realistic explanation for this is a serious bias and/or a lapse of judgement in the person that assesses "pureness" of the individual.

 

[D&D]

Every human being has an almost equal potential for good and evil.

Which one prevails in any given moment depends on combination of many factors; genes, environment, upbringing, system of values, education, etc.

 

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

Yes. If we go against our dharma, it will not work out and we will have no choice but to conform. Philosophies that believe life has a pre-destined script (a topic I prefer not to touch!) suggest that it is ultimately impossible to thwart the will of the universe.

Thank you Pluto for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You have a very interesting response and it has motivated me to further study upon the idea of Dharma. Until now, I was only familiar with the idea of Karma, but now I have something new to study. Thank you again for your reply, and love and hugs to you Pluto!

Absolutely - though I'd never try to be like them, it's funny I was thinking yesterday I'm "burdened with knowing better". This world is not a fair place and if you are a pure hearted person it is hard to bear seeing the way others are. I think "programmed" is the right word, we simply are the way we are - good or bad. There are often no earthly rewards in being a good person but that's not what rules spiritual/perceptive people who have a pure heart anyway.

Thank you Phia2021 for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! I agree that this realm/world is not a fair and just place for pure hearted beings and there are no earthly rewards for such hearts here. This is what really bothers me though. I have desires that I would like to acquire in this life, but I'm starting to think that I cannot have them because I am too "good" and "caring". My pride won't allow me to sellout but I am really desperate because I would really like to experience my desires within this lifetime and I don't know how much time I have left. I don't know what else to do, I'm starting to wish that I wasn't this way. Thank you again for your reply, and I send love and hugs to you Phia2021!

No human being is goodness incarnate/morally impeccable...

Thank you motel rooms for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! Well, maybe I still have a chance to change then. Thanks again for your response and I send love and hugs to you!

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I am very sceptical about the possibilty of any adult never doing anything "impure" in their lifetime. The only realistic explanation for this is a serious bias and/or a lapse of judgement in the person that assesses "pureness" of the individual.

Thank you Nessie for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! No offense taken! When I was speaking of impurity and evil, I was referring to the scale of what these dark beings here are practicing and acting out, not stealing a piece of candy or something petty like that. Of course, I have done some things within my life, but not to a heinous extent of mass murder, mass deception, etc. These are the kind of things that I was referring to. Nonetheless, thank you again for your reply, and I send you love and hugs!

Every human being has an almost equal potential for good and evil.

Which one prevails in any given moment depends on combination of many factors; genes, environment, upbringing, system of values, education, etc.



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Thank you D&D for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! Thank you for your explanation about the potentials of how evil or good can prevail at any given moment within my life. Although I am not religious, I also appreciate your quote, because I know that it has a deeper meaning and I can comprehend it very well! Thank you again D&D for your response, and I send love and hugs to you!

 

[motel rooms]

This is what really bothers me though. I have desires that I would like to acquire in this life, but I'm starting to think that I cannot have them because I am too "good" and "caring". My pride won't allow me to sellout but I am really desperate because I would really like to experience my desires within this lifetime and I don't know how much time I have left. I don't know what else to do, I'm starting to wish that I wasn't this way.

What are these desires that are so incompatible with being "good" & "caring"? You don't have to answer, of course. I hope you aren't convinced that, say, having consensual sex with someone you're attracted to is evil & impure.

 

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

What are these desires that are so incompatible with being "good" & "caring"? You don't have to answer, of course. I hope you aren't convinced that, say, having consensual sex with someone you're attracted to is evil & impure.

Tis only my simple desires of having lived a well off and fulfilled life, my desires of not having to be in need 99% of the time, my desires of not feeling as if I am trapped and stuck within a dull life, even with all that I have to offer. No, consensual sex is not evil and impure. Thanks again.

 

[motel rooms]

Tis only my simple desires of having lived a well off and fulfilled life, my desires of not having to be in need 99% of the time, my desires of not feeling as if I am trapped and stuck within a dull life, even with all that I have to offer.

But those simple desires aren't incompatible with being a decent person. I don't know what has made you overly scrupulous, but I'm sorry you're so hard on yourself.

 

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

But those simple desires aren't incompatible with being a decent person. I don't know what has made you overly scrupulous, but I'm sorry you're so hard on yourself.

Thank you for your reply motel rooms, I deeply appreciate you! You are absolutely right, I can obtain and acquire my desires whilst still remaining to be a decent being. I guess my emotional desperation for these things had consumed my logical common sense, thus clouding my judgements on how I can properly create wealth and freedoms for myself. I had been viewing this realm/world and it's chosen wealth recipients in a sort of surrendering manner. I know and trust that I can also have these things, regardless of what type of being I am, light or dark, or an equal balance of both! I was just becoming desperate and it seemed to me that the fastest methods to obtain my desires, was to be evil, unjust, manipulative, and dishonest, but again I know that this notion is untrue. I have made a pact with myself to "grow up" and "transform" through my own methods of my true self, for I am also worthy of all that I desire, and it is always possible for me to live a rich life and experience all of the joys I choose. It also helps my situation, for me to be more appreciative of the things that I do have, for some people are very worse off than me, and there are those who wish that they could even touch the things that I have obtained within my life. Thank you for your support motel rooms and I genuinely send infinite love and huge hugs to you!

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Programming comes from DNA, not spirituality. DNA's only directive is to survive and replicate itself. If morality can help with that then it's fine but the moment it gets in the way, DNA won't hesitate to throw morality to the curb.

 

[Nolan96]

In my past, I was so fed up with my caring and pure-hearted nature, that I have tried to become evil and careless. I am sure we are all familiar with those types of beings, you know, the dark-hearted and non-compassionate beings that seem to be over ruling most of humanity here in this world. Well in my past, I have tried to make myself like a spiritual mirror image to those dark beings. I have tried to reprogram myself so to speak, into a ruthless and carless individual. Somehow it never works for me as I plan it to. I always end up feeling the guilt and that foreign spiritual feeling of "this is not the real you, this is not why you came forth". Sometimes I feel that I am permanently spiritually programmed for goodness and pure-heartedness whilst I am here. No matter what I have done or the many methods that I have tried to become pure evil and careless, I just cannot fully submit to it. It just feels so enormously uncomfortable to me in every way. Do any of you also think that some of us were just spiritually programmed to be of purity and wholeness of heart during our lifetime here in this realm/world?

I feel like you have to choose to be a decent person.

Feeling morally infallible seems dangerous and so does the overly-relativistic attitude of "everyone and everything is crooked and sick and wrong including the people who call all the shots so what does it matter if I act like a horrible person too?"

 

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

Programming comes from DNA, not spirituality. DNA's only directive is to survive and replicate itself. If morality can help with that then it's fine but the moment it gets in the way, DNA won't hesitate to throw morality to the curb.

Thank you Dr Iron Arc for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You have a very interesting response. I admire the way you explained the relationship between morality and DNA, I had never heard of such an explanation. This is very interesting and thought provoking scientific knowledge and I believe that I have experienced evidence of these morality/DNA functions that you mentioned within my life, and very frequently. Thank you again Dr Iron Arc for your reply for it has caused me to review and further study all of the actions that I have taken throughout my life, and how they pertain to the relationship and functions of DNA and Morality. This is very interesting indeed! I send you infinite love and hugs!

I feel like you have to choose to be a decent person.

Feeling morally infallible seems dangerous and so does the overly-relativistic attitude of "everyone and everything is crooked and sick and wrong including the people who call all the shots so what does it matter if I act like a horrible person too?"

Thank you Nolan96 for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You are absolutely correct, free will and the power of choice is real. I can always change and alter my created and chosen destinies at any time. Nothing is set in stone for me, even if I have been a certain way for eons! I am not sure how I forgot about my free will. I guess this is why my emotions and logic do not mix. My desperate emotions cloud my judgements about even the simplest of things, and fog up my routes to the clear and simple solutions to my problems. I know better! Thank you again Nolan96 for your reply and for reminding me that free will still doth exist! I send you infinite love and hugs!

 

[voltage268]

Great topic, for me anyway, I've thought the same especially recently; I was brought up in a christian household so in an enviroment that was conducive and primed to being a 'good' person, always believing my sinful nature wasn't good, but becoming pretty much an agnostic now, I've affirmed and believe I am a good person, whatever the hell that means. I feel compassion towards others, my fellow man, especially the vulnerable, and hate people suffering. Despite my own suffering I try and pick the 'do good' option whenever it's presented, and feel pleasure from it.

Similar to you I wonder if I'd be better off being 'bad', at least then I could be selfish and possibly ctb without caring about my family's welfare and grief. And with the evil in this world, being 'bad' would offer a kind of protection, being less affected from being overwhelmed by all the evil going on. But I can't change my nature as it's me, and honestly, despite the negatives, I don't want to have to, being a 'good' fellow participant in this life is a good thing lol.

If I try and think what motivates a person to be 'good', what motivates me, it's feeling compassion, a connection to another person and being able to feel their pain, as a fellow human, a fellow being in the case of animals. The more suffering I go through over the years, the greater the ability to feel compassion. I can imagine a 'bad' person feels no connection to the recipient of their evil. Even 'bad' people can treat their own children or family good as they feel a personal connection to them, but can't extend this to other people, strangers, as their fellow man. The pleasure you get from doing evil is a selfish one possibly out of ignorance of suffering, like children who grow out of bullying stages after learning/maturing into realising the consequences of doing bad to others.

So are 'bad' people emotionally stunted in that area? There's still a choice involved, the focus on doing bad is first on your own wants/'needs' and your own gratification whereas doing good is more primarily other-centric. As much as it pains me to experience the negatives daily, and fuck it maybe I'd be better off being bad even though it seems impossible to change my nature, as another participant in this game of life I'm glad to be good for the sake of other people's own life experience and journey. I don't know why I'm 'good' as I've always felt this way but so many people in this world are 'good' that I'm not unique in any way, in fact I think and hope I'm in the majority otherwise there'd be chaos all over the world. It's the good that keeps things in check for everyone.

 

[Shu]

Yes. If we go against our dharma, it will not work out and we will have no choice but to conform. Philosophies that believe life has a pre-destined script (a topic I prefer not to touch!) suggest that it is ultimately impossible to thwart the will of the universe.

Suicide is going against our dharma :(

 

[lyles]

Well, although I cannot know you through a simple post and comments on the site, I do believe you are a kind person. And while I am not sure about the philosophies that apply or not, I think that our actions and how we impact the people in our lives matter. And reading what you wrote touched me and made my night better, so you have given some good to the world even in that little way. I hope you find some joy and peace with yourself and the world, as much as that is possible at the moment.

 

[Pluto]

Suicide is going against our dharma :(

That's possible. I definitely don't believe that suicide is an easy ticket to eternal peace, though of course it's impossible to prove otherwise without somehow offering people first-hand experience.

A few comments to make, though:

The New Age movement's literature has a tendency to overwhelm the reader with sensationalistic language about 'the 5th dimension' and 'Christ consciousness' etc., much of which is quite empty of substance to people with a basic understanding of proper science and real spirituality. As such, entire speeches may be given which do nothing but appeal to a sense of flowery wonderment, yet are devoid of any meaningful content and will generally not stand up to critical scrutiny.

Secondly, the work of Kevin Williams, an NDE researcher who I can recommend highly, has proven - as best as is humanly possible - that suicides do not typically experience an unpleasant aftermath on the other side. In the bigger picture, it seems likely that it will be analogous to failing a year level in school and having to repeat in some form. A theologist named Neale Donald Walsch has made this claim in his book Home with God. For me, to have to relive all of this has been a thought so full of dread that I have pushed on and on as much as I can.

However, when daily pain levels are intense and the future outlook is almost completely black, suicide is as natural as drinking a glass of water when thirsty. The time for indecision draws slowly to a close. When all efforts have been made to the satisfaction of any half-reasonable person, I can stand before any cosmic being with a clean conscience and let any consequences take their course.

Still, last time I was actively planning to CTB a couple of months ago, a few somewhat miraculous events happened. I had a drastic wage increase right when I was pondering how I might attempt a recovery in the event of a windfall. And a mysterious woman in my life suddenly reappeared - in fact I'm catching up with her tomorrow for the first time in 7 months and have no idea how it might go. But I have a very limited patience and am tired of living with one foot in the grave, so only time will tell.

In short, what I am seeing does not render suicide a total no-deal on these grounds. It is not something to be light-hearted about, particularly for young people with somewhat workable circumstances, but nor should it be considered an act of unforgivable cosmic sin.

 

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

Great topic, for me anyway, I've thought the same especially recently; I was brought up in a christian household so in an enviroment that was conducive and primed to being a 'good' person, always believing my sinful nature wasn't good, but becoming pretty much an agnostic now, I've affirmed and believe I am a good person, whatever the hell that means. I feel compassion towards others, my fellow man, especially the vulnerable, and hate people suffering. Despite my own suffering I try and pick the 'do good' option whenever it's presented, and feel pleasure from it.

Similar to you I wonder if I'd be better off being 'bad', at least then I could be selfish and possibly ctb without caring about my family's welfare and grief. And with the evil in this world, being 'bad' would offer a kind of protection, being less affected from being overwhelmed by all the evil going on. But I can't change my nature as it's me, and honestly, despite the negatives, I don't want to have to, being a 'good' fellow participant in this life is a good thing lol.

If I try and think what motivates a person to be 'good', what motivates me, it's feeling compassion, a connection to another person and being able to feel their pain, as a fellow human, a fellow being in the case of animals. The more suffering I go through over the years, the greater the ability to feel compassion. I can imagine a 'bad' person feels no connection to the recipient of their evil. Even 'bad' people can treat their own children or family good as they feel a personal connection to them, but can't extend this to other people, strangers, as their fellow man. The pleasure you get from doing evil is a selfish one possibly out of ignorance of suffering, like children who grow out of bullying stages after learning/maturing into realising the consequences of doing bad to others.

So are 'bad' people emotionally stunted in that area? There's still a choice involved, the focus on doing bad is first on your own wants/'needs' and your own gratification whereas doing good is more primarily other-centric. As much as it pains me to experience the negatives daily, and fuck it maybe I'd be better off being bad even though it seems impossible to change my nature, as another participant in this game of life I'm glad to be good for the sake of other people's own life experience and journey. I don't know why I'm 'good' as I've always felt this way but so many people in this world are 'good' that I'm not unique in any way, in fact I think and hope I'm in the majority otherwise there'd be chaos all over the world. It's the good that keeps things in check for everyone.

Thank you voltage268 for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You seem so similar to me! I too incarnated into a Christian household, with my father being a reverend and my mom a Sunday-school teacher. I also too have found a different domain to place my faith within, (myself). I agree with you about "doing bad for your own wants/needs" is of a selfish nature. I did not view it like that at first. I appreciate your authenticity and goodness that you spread into this realm/world and I genuinely know that you can feel better emotionally, as you deserve to with your kind and empathic heart and spirit! Empathy is also something that is apart of me, permanently built in, and always active! I appreciate your genuine and sincere compassion for the beings of this realm/world, you are really special here! Thank you again voltage268 for your reply and I send infinite love and infinite hugs to you!

Well, although I cannot know you through a simple post and comments on the site, I do believe you are a kind person. And while I am not sure about the philosophies that apply or not, I think that our actions and how we impact the people in our lives matter. And reading what you wrote touched me and made my night better, so you have given some good to the world even in that little way. I hope you find some joy and peace with yourself and the world, as much as that is possible at the moment.

Thank you lyles for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You have given me a smile so huge on my face, that I think my cheekbones are going to burst into tears of joy! I am so happy that I have made your night a better night, and I do highly appreciate you for stating that I have given some good to the world even in that little way! I really didn't expect to hear/read that kind of reply! Yes, I am feeling so much better since first posting this thread. I had gotten weak and desperate but I am better now, because I have remembered some of my truth. Thank you again so much for your heart-felt reply lyles, and I send infinite love and hugs to you!

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Thank you Hereforeternity for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! I just have to say wow! Your reply is so deep and interesting! I love it and I do agree with most of it! I am sort of at a loss for words because your reply is so deep and intrinsic in its nature! Your reply makes me want to research some things, because I feel like there is an even deeper, hidden-in-plain-sight type of meaning/communication going on within it! Thank you so much again Hereforeternity for your reply, and I send infinite love and hugs to you! Eye am going to further study these statements, they are intriguing and Eye opening! Thanks again!

That's possible. I definitely don't believe that suicide is an easy ticket to eternal peace, though of course it's impossible to prove otherwise without somehow offering people first-hand experience.

A few comments to make, though:

The New Age movement's literature has a tendency to overwhelm the reader with sensationalistic language about 'the 5th dimension' and 'Christ consciousness' etc., much of which is quite empty of substance to people with a basic understanding of proper science and real spirituality. As such, entire speeches may be given which do nothing but appeal to a sense of flowery wonderment, yet are devoid of any meaningful content and will generally not stand up to critical scrutiny.

Secondly, the work of Kevin Williams, an NDE researcher who I can recommend highly, has proven - as best as is humanly possible - that suicides do not typically experience an unpleasant aftermath on the other side. In the bigger picture, it seems likely that it will be analogous to failing a year level in school and having to repeat in some form. A theologist named Neale Donald Walsch has made this claim in his book Home with God. For me, to have to relive all of this has been a thought so full of dread that I have pushed on and on as much as I can.

However, when daily pain levels are intense and the future outlook is almost completely black, suicide is as natural as drinking a glass of water when thirsty. The time for indecision draws slowly to a close. When all efforts have been made to the satisfaction of any half-reasonable person, I can stand before any cosmic being with a clean conscience and let any consequences take their course.

Still, last time I was actively planning to CTB a couple of months ago, a few somewhat miraculous events happened. I had a drastic wage increase right when I was pondering how I might attempt a recovery in the event of a windfall. And a mysterious woman in my life suddenly reappeared - in fact I'm catching up with her tomorrow for the first time in 7 months and have no idea how it might go. But I have a very limited patience and am tired of living with one foot in the grave, so only time will tell.

In short, what I am seeing does not render suicide a total no-deal on these grounds. It is not something to be light-hearted about, particularly for young people with somewhat workable circumstances, but nor should it be considered an act of unforgivable cosmic sin.

That's possible. I definitely don't believe that suicide is an easy ticket to eternal peace, though of course it's impossible to prove otherwise without somehow offering people first-hand experience.

A few comments to make, though:

The New Age movement's literature has a tendency to overwhelm the reader with sensationalistic language about 'the 5th dimension' and 'Christ consciousness' etc., much of which is quite empty of substance to people with a basic understanding of proper science and real spirituality. As such, entire speeches may be given which do nothing but appeal to a sense of flowery wonderment, yet are devoid of any meaningful content and will generally not stand up to critical scrutiny.

Secondly, the work of Kevin Williams, an NDE researcher who I can recommend highly, has proven - as best as is humanly possible - that suicides do not typically experience an unpleasant aftermath on the other side. In the bigger picture, it seems likely that it will be analogous to failing a year level in school and having to repeat in some form. A theologist named Neale Donald Walsch has made this claim in his book Home with God. For me, to have to relive all of this has been a thought so full of dread that I have pushed on and on as much as I can.

However, when daily pain levels are intense and the future outlook is almost completely black, suicide is as natural as drinking a glass of water when thirsty. The time for indecision draws slowly to a close. When all efforts have been made to the satisfaction of any half-reasonable person, I can stand before any cosmic being with a clean conscience and let any consequences take their course.

Still, last time I was actively planning to CTB a couple of months ago, a few somewhat miraculous events happened. I had a drastic wage increase right when I was pondering how I might attempt a recovery in the event of a windfall. And a mysterious woman in my life suddenly reappeared - in fact I'm catching up with her tomorrow for the first time in 7 months and have no idea how it might go. But I have a very limited patience and am tired of living with one foot in the grave, so only time will tell.

In short, what I am seeing does not render suicide a total no-deal on these grounds. It is not something to be light-hearted about, particularly for young people with somewhat workable circumstances, but nor should it be considered an act of unforgivable cosmic sin.

Thank you Pluto for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! I tried to quote you but I haven't quite figured out the quoting tool yet so I will just do it within my reply. You stated " last time I was actively planning to CTB a couple of months ago, a few somewhat miraculous events happened." I can honestly relate to your statement because this is the same exact thing that happened within my life! I was planning to exit from this realm/world, for real, at a time, and then a few miracles happened to me also! This is so weird, and I wonder about it all the time! These happenings in my life were why I changed my signature to what it reads now! It's like something had saved my life, like something knew how serious I was about CTB-ing and intervened immediately! This is just so weird, and to read that it also happened to you, I am in shock and awe! Maybe beings like us were chosen for something greater and we just couldn't see it yet! Thanks for sharing your story Pluto! I send infinite love and hugs to you!

 

[Pluto]

This is just so weird, and to read that it also happened to you, I am in shock and awe! Maybe beings like us were chosen for something greater and we just couldn't see it yet! Thanks for sharing your story Pluto! I send infinite love and hugs to you!

I'm very pleased to hear that you are receiving those signs. I'm hoping I'll get away with speaking some New Age lingo in this reply.

It is very hard for spirit guides to contact us in this realm. I've heard the analogy used that it's like trying to communicate with someone through thick, foggy glass. So any such signs are definitely a strong indication that you have an important purpose here.

Just today, I caught up with an old friend from my young days; she happens to also be the only psychic that I truly trust. The message that she gave me was that I am at rock bottom and will have a challenging road ahead in slowly rising back up, but I need to do so. I was advised to stop the insanity of my day job and take a holiday to somewhere serene with scenic or spiritual significance, which for me can only mean Tiruvannamalai, India.

Keep fighting the good fight as we are all together in spirit!

 

[voltage268]

Thank you voltage268 for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You seem so similar to me! I too incarnated into a Christian household, with my father being a reverend and my mom a Sunday-school teacher. I also too have found a different domain to place my faith within, (myself). I agree with you about "doing bad for your own wants/needs" is of a selfish nature. I did not view it like that at first. I appreciate your authenticity and goodness that you spread into this realm/world and I genuinely know that you can feel better emotionally, as you deserve to with your kind and empathic heart and spirit! Empathy is also something that is apart of me, permanently built in, and always active! I appreciate your genuine and sincere compassion for the beings of this realm/world, you are really special here! Thank you again voltage268 for your reply and I send infinite love and infinite hugs to you!

'I also too have found a different domain to place my faith within, (myself)' aptly put and probably the way I feel myself nowadays.

Were you ever serious in your christian faith growing up, and was there a turning point for you to turn away from christianity, and even worse to find yourself on this website?

Do you struggle to shake off the effects of indoctrination from a young age about christianity, suicide and hell?

 

[lyles]

Thank you lyles for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! You have given me a smile so huge on my face, that I think my cheekbones are going to burst into tears of joy! I am so happy that I have made your night a better night, and I do highly appreciate you for stating that I have given some good to the world even in that little way! I really didn't expect to hear/read that kind of reply! Yes, I am feeling so much better since first posting this thread. I had gotten weak and desperate but I am better now, because I have remembered some of my truth. Thank you again so much for your heart-felt reply lyles, and I send infinite love and hugs to you!

Of course!! I am very glad to have given you some happiness too, you absolutely deserve it too. Your thoughtfulness and viewpoint really have stayed on my mind and opened up another world of curiosity, learning, and inspiration. I am glad you are feeling better. I am sending you infinite love, hugs, and well wishes to you as well!!! :D <3

 

[Death_of_a_Phynixx]

I'm very pleased to hear that you are receiving those signs. I'm hoping I'll get away with speaking some New Age lingo in this reply.

It is very hard for spirit guides to contact us in this realm. I've heard the analogy used that it's like trying to communicate with someone through thick, foggy glass. So any such signs are definitely a strong indication that you have an important purpose here.

Just today, I caught up with an old friend from my young days; she happens to also be the only psychic that I truly trust. The message that she gave me was that I am at rock bottom and will have a challenging road ahead in slowly rising back up, but I need to do so. I was advised to stop the insanity of my day job and take a holiday to somewhere serene with scenic or spiritual significance, which for me can only mean Tiruvannamalai, India.

Keep fighting the good fight as we are all together in spirit!

Thank you Pluto for your reply, I deeply appreciate you! I am glad that your friend is a kind and motivating force within your life, these are the types of friends that are loyal and somewhat irreplaceable! I also want to thank you for the motivation that you have given unto me as well! Have a fun time, create splendid memories on your holiday, and safe travels! Enjoy your peace of mind that this vacation will most likely bring to you! I send infinite love and hugs to you my brother/sister! Thank you again Pluto for your reply!

Of course!! I am very glad to have given you some happiness too, you absolutely deserve it too. Your thoughtfulness and viewpoint really have stayed on my mind and opened up another world of curiosity, learning, and inspiration. I am glad you are feeling better. I am sending you infinite love, hugs, and well wishes to you as well!!! :D <3

Thank you so much lyles for all of your support and motivation, I really do deeply appreciate you!

 

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'I also too have found a different domain to place my faith within, (myself)' aptly put and probably the way I feel myself nowadays.

Were you ever serious in your christian faith growing up, and was there a turning point for you to turn away from christianity, and even worse to find yourself on this website?

Do you struggle to shake off the effects of indoctrination from a young age about christianity, suicide and hell?

Hi voltage268, I deeply appreciate your questions and curiosity pertaining to my spiritual transformation! My parents tried to force feed me that religious non-sense from the time that I was able to fully comprehend words, to the present state of being of which I am of now. As a child, I always felt within my spirit that a lot of things were "off" within the texts of that religious book. I disagreed with all of the inequality, the fear mongering, and most of all, the persistent contradictions present within that book. I would often ask my parents deep and challenging questions pertaining to the "stories" of the so called "good book", and they could never give me an answer in their own words. They would always just find some verse to quote from and regurgitate it back to me or they would say "you don't question god!". My parents form of response was and still is a form of evidence of their deep ignorance! Christianity always made me feel as if I was nothing more than a slave filled with fear of the repercussions from some immature and dominating dictator hiding somewhere in the clouds! This is why fear mongering is so heavy within that book, because when we are filled with fear, we are most likely to follow suit with whatever, regardless if we agree with it or not. We can still see it highly present in the world, even today! In truth, the etymology or root meaning of the very word "religion" means "to control"! You will not find this meaning in any dictionary, which is evident that something is being deliberately hidden and concealed. There are a lot of words and terms of this very same nature. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with free-will or spirituality! It is about being a blind follower without defiance and without question or else! I have always had a huge problem with these things ever since I was a small child, it is just something within me. I am a being that stands for truth, transparency, equality, justice, fairness, and most importantly freedom! Christianity has shown me none of the aforementioned! I don't think that I have ever really bonded myself to that religion or any religion at all for that matter, regardless of being constantly surrounded and smothered by it. I have always been a leader and I have always been able to see through the dark. I have also completed much research, as anyone should before they willingly give their entire being to any cause. Most followers of Christianity dare not to research because it will immediately contradict and disprove everything that they have believed. Blissful ignorance is an addiction for them. My thoughts on the subject of suicide are as follows. I am not sure if you are familiar with a being named Ester Hicks. I do not follow her. but I do agree with many viewpoints that she has, as they highly resonate with me. She stated "We all commit suicide. Before we incarnated, we chose an exact time and date of our exiting from this body. We just don't remember it and we're not supposed to because it will interfere with our lives/purpose within this realm/world." I do agree with this statement, because I know that as a eternal spiritual being within this flesh, I cannot remain in this body forever. I also do not desire to remain within this body forever in this realm/world! As it pertains to the concept of heaven or hell, I trust that I do not have to wait until the afterlife to get to these places. As I observe this realm/world around me, there are beings here that seem to be living a life of misery, fear and unrest almost all of the time. This could be considered as their "hell". There are also beings within this realm/world whose lives seem nearly perfect, they live a life of peace, courage, happiness, and joy! This can be considered their "heaven". Heaven or Hell comes from within us and radiates to the outside of our lives, creating the overall quality of our lives. I trust that I can create my own personal heaven or hell on earth, and I don't have to physically die first to experience it either! I initially joined this site because I was engulfed and drowning in my own emotional "hell". I remain on this site because through very drastic means, I have uplifted myself into my own current emotional "heaven", and I wish to help others that desire it, to do the same. I feel like we are all spiritual brothers and sisters within this platform and we can all help one another out for the better! I know that my reply was very lengthy, but I love to communicate about topics of this nature, and I hope that you have enjoyed reading. Thank you again voltage268 for your reply, and I send infinite love and hugs to you!