Do you think better methods will be available in the future?

[nonamegirl]

........yeah, do you?.......or will it get harder to carry a peaceful ctb out?

I don't know if anybody is "researching" into better, more easy available methods, but I sure hope somebody does.

I wonder how society's wiew on ctb will evolve. Will it ease a bit up about it (maybe due to climate change/overpolulation, who knows) or will it try to restrict our opportunities even more.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

As technology evolves at an astonishing rate with 3-D printing becoming more commonplace and quantum computing on the horizon, I believe we will not only have easier methods, but more readily available ones as well.

 

[nonamegirl]

As technology evolves at an astonishing rate with 3-D printing becoming more commonplace and quantum computing on the horizon, I believe we will not only have easier methods, but more readily available ones as well.

That's what I would like to hear. I pray for a future where each one of us get more control over wether we want to live or not, and don't have to resort to sketchy and painful (Iillegal) methods.

 

[tooStupidForExitBag]

I don't know if better methods will emerge, but I do think that many of the current methods will become more easily available.

Hopefully society will become more accepting of suicide and allow people in need easy access to assisted suicide. But even if this isn't the case new technology will make things easier, 3d printers can for example already print guns.

 

[nonamegirl]

I don't know if better methods will emerge, but I do think that many of the current methods will become more easily available.

Hopefully society will become more accepting of suicide and allow people in need easy access to assisted suicide. But even if this isn't the case new technology will make things easier, 3d printers can for example already print guns.

Interesting. I didnt even think about 3d printers, but I'm guessing it will take maybe 5-10 years or more until it becomes something avalaible to us all (which we can afford)

 

[Sensei]

It's just science fiction and will remain so for a long time, maybe forever, but I've always dreamt of a device that atomizes everything within a radius of a few meters, like a thermal detonator in Star Wars. Guaranteed to be painless.

 

[nonamegirl]

It's just science fiction and will remain so for a long time, maybe forever, but I've always dreamt of a device that atomizes everything within a radius of a few meters, like a thermal detonator in Star Wars. Guaranteed to be painless.

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Sounds good but also a little scary. I much prefer something where I can just lay down and fall asleep and never wake up. But of course any painless method would be very nice.

 

[BitterlyAlive]

I hope we have easier methods. I'm also concerned that it will be easier to be saved...

 

[nonamegirl]

I hope we have easier methods. I'm also concerned that it will be easier to be saved...

That's an interesting and a bit scary thought. Like what if you could revive someone even several days after they have died? But I'm thinking we a WAY OFF from that scenario (luckily........at least for us)

 

[Donk]

the debreather sounds pretty peaceful to me. just wear the damn thing and go to sleep!

 

[BitterlyAlive]

That's an interesting and a bit scary thought. Like what if you could revive someone even several days after they have died? But I'm thinking we a WAY OFF from that scenario (luckily........at least for us)

I hope it doesn't happen any time soon. Being "saved" is my biggest fear.

 

[nonamegirl]

I hope it doesn't happen any time soon. Being "saved" is my biggest fear.

It's personally pretty low on my list of fears, as of now. I live alone and 3-4 weeks can easily pass without anyone reaching out to me. But I understand it can be a different scenario for other people.

the debreather sounds pretty peaceful to me. just wear the damn thing and go to sleep!

Yeah it spunds like my dream way of Ctb, but I afraid it's too good to be true,.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

Someone mentioned Overpopulation may change societies views and make it easier. Call me too pessimistic but I think that's wishful thinking... If it was going to happen the powers through media would have seen to it already.
Like the Suicide nets in China's forced labour camps... How disgusting is that. Humans are wicked.
The advanced technology will likely be used to prevent us from ending our lives. And theres bound to be better methods yes but they will go black market as anything that preys on people's desperation does... And will only be available to those who have big finances.
And my theory now, because the world is becoming more and more unbearable to exist in and the suicide rate is rapidly increasing the costs will only go up.
I see a future where it's impossible to commit suicide unless you have the value of an average family home disposable.

 

[autumnal]

As technology evolves at an astonishing rate with 3-D printing becoming more commonplace and quantum computing on the horizon, I believe we will not only have easier methods, but more readily available ones as well.

Oh sure...unless quantum computing suicides lead to a horrible supposition of states where the victim is both alive and dead at the same time!

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

I hope so

 

[Yomyom]

No, Quite the opposite.
I think one day SN will cost like nembutal, and there will be so much fake sites that pretending to sell SN

 

[Partial-Elf]

Someone mentioned Overpopulation may change societies views and make it easier. Call me too pessimistic but I think that's wishful thinking... If it was going to happen the powers through media would have seen to it already.
Like the Suicide nets in China's forced labour camps... How disgusting is that. Humans are wicked.
The advanced technology will likely be used to prevent us from ending our lives. And theres bound to be better methods yes but they will go black market as anything that preys on people's desperation does... And will only be available to those who have big finances.
And my theory now, because the world is becoming more and more unbearable to exist in and the suicide rate is rapidly increasing the costs will only go up.
I see a future where it's impossible to commit suicide unless you have the value of an average family home disposable.

Ultimately, hanging is a reliable option that people will always have access to as long as they have basic mobility, and it's been used well for thousands of years.

As far as the social landscape, suicide will become even less accepted if the right wing continues to dominate the globe. The rank and file of the right wing feel that people's lives belong to a god or tribe instead of the individual, and the leaders want every possible worker alive to keep feeding the capitalist engine.

Austerity policies combined with business' advanced practices and technologies will extract the maximum amount of value from workers while giving them only what they need to survive and little more. I believe this min-maxing of exploitation partially explains the consistently rising suicide rate in the US. Ironically, the pro gun stance of the right wing ensures access to a decent (if gory and intimidating) method of self-deliverance in countries they run.

I can easily envision a world in which companies like Google and Facebook would partner with the government, or simply take steps themselves, to reduce suicide. They could flag users who search suicide related terms or match a certain profile, then potentially provide that information to the government. I don't think it would be cost effective to follow up on those flags and send a crisis team or institutionalize people or anything that dramatic. Instead I think flagged individuals would be quietly moderated in other ways: their search engine results inconspicuously moderated, certain items not showing up for purchase on the internet, different ads being shown to them to try to subliminally reduce suicidal urges. Maybe in some countries those individuals would be barred from purchasing firearms, but that seems unlikely to me.

Guns and Nembutal are probably the best examples of technological advancement providing a completely new method of suicide, and neither of them were designed specifically for that purpose. The same could be said of inert gas and SN. I think that–like the methods previously listed–if a new method were to appear as a result of technological advancement, a quick and painless suicide would not be the intended purpose of the technology but rather an unintended byproduct.

 

[Offbrandxactoknife]

I think it will become harder, cyanide was probably easy to get until people started dying from it.
In a few years SN will probably be under heavy restriction, guns will be more expensive and who knows, maybe you could only buy a rope if you have a legal document that says you can.

The government just tries to "save" people all the time

 

[enjolras]

I'm rather content of the current state of affairs, and would be grateful if the availability could stay about the same.
There are a wide array of methods satisfying different tastes, most not that bad.
I guess I acknowledge that a natural distancing between the means and their access is okay. The best methods are harder to get, require more motivation and that's fine. As an animal, I'm still offered choice. There is a selection that filters but not a hopeless situation.

Curiously, I would dream of the "peaceful pill" principally in a society that goes much better than today. Cause I analyse that our world is very unkind and admit it pushes people towards the edge, who don't merit their fate. So I kind of appreciate the fact that good people in crisis are protected from evil returning at them like a hatred boomerang, if that's understandable. In a perfect world, to be granted a peaceful pill would not matter. I would accept the proposition gracefully. I wish more this world to be fixed than be given suicide methods, if that makes sense. At this moment, suicide is fixing consequences instead of causes, and I can't bear the fact. Seen too many valuable people on this forum who would deserve a better destiny or a second chance. I'm kind of in rebellion mode. I hate the idea to beg for a better death with a knee down, it feels insulting and taking away some dignity

 

[Partial-Elf]

I'm rather content of the current state of affairs, and would be grateful if the availability could stay about the same.
There are a wide array of methods satisfying different tastes, most not that bad.
I guess I acknowledge that a natural distancing between the means and their access is okay. The best methods are harder to get, require more motivation and that's fine. As an animal, I'm still offered choice. There is a selection that filters but not a hopeless situation.

Curiously, I would dream of the "peaceful pill" principally in a society that goes much better than today. Cause I analyse that our world is very unkind and admit it pushes people towards the edge, who don't merit their fate. So I kind of appreciate the fact that good people in crisis are protected from evil returning at them like a hatred boomerang, if that's understandable. In a perfect world, to be granted a peaceful pill would not matter. I would accept the proposition gracefully. I wish more this world to be fixed than be given suicide methods, if that makes sense. At this moment, suicide is fixing consequences instead of causes, and I can't bear the fact. Seen too many valuable people on this forum who would deserve a better destiny or a second chance. I'm kind of in rebellion mode. I hate the idea to beg for a better death with a knee down, it feels insulting and taking away some dignity

Love that italicized part. Sort of in the same vein, Emil Cioran writes that "only optimists commit suicide." I feel like I'm suicidal because I measure things from how good they could be, rather than how bad they could be. I see what an excellent world we could have, and how I could've lived my life well, and how both have fallen tragically short of the ideal. My mom always tries to comfort me by saying "things could be worse, imagine if this were taken away or you were in such and such person's situation..." This doesn't make me feel any better–if anything, I feel worse for a multitude of reasons.

 

[enjolras]

I can relate ! Thanks for reaching out. I also enjoy Cioran very much. He had all of our exposed thoughts/feelings covered. He's not the cynical person often described. His views hide hopeful poetry

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The last one explains the trap to feel stuck in the middle between pessimism and optimism, much like if a cat, with a buttered toast attached on his back turned outwards, was sent into the air.
The cat is meant to always land on his paws, but the buttered toast is meant to always land on the butter side ...it's an impossible scenario to resolve and the cat ends up flying in mid air forever, Matrix style
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Nuff said

I think your mom must be right, and there is no wrong. Nothing changes but we have to find a comfortable position in life that is sustainable to satisfy the plurality of our inclinations.

 

[I screwed up]

Keeping the answer short .... Yes there could be easier ways to ctb in the future but the means to access them will get tougher and more restrictions ...
Edit: no govt wants to portray an image that they don't care for their citizens
Edit: no govt wants to portray an image that they don't care for their citizens

 

[Deathbydemo]

No, I don't. Eventually, SN will be as hard to obtain as F or N. As it becomes more wide known that SN is being used not for its intended purpose and linked to deaths by suicide, it's going to become almost impossible to get our hands on.

If anything, I think it's going to become harder.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

Ultimately, hanging is a reliable option that people will always have access to as long as they have basic mobility, and it's been used well for thousands of years.

As far as the social landscape, suicide will become even less accepted if the right wing continues to dominate the globe. The rank and file of the right wing feel that people's lives belong to a god or tribe instead of the individual, and the leaders want every possible worker alive to keep feeding the capitalist engine.

Austerity policies combined with business' advanced practices and technologies will extract the maximum amount of value from workers while giving them only what they need to survive and little more. I believe this min-maxing of exploitation partially explains the consistently rising suicide rate in the US. Ironically, the pro gun stance of the right wing ensures access to a decent (if gory and intimidating) method of self-deliverance in countries they run.

I can easily envision a world in which companies like Google and Facebook would partner with the government, or simply take steps themselves, to reduce suicide. They could flag users who search suicide related terms or match a certain profile, then potentially provide that information to the government. I don't think it would be cost effective to follow up on those flags and send a crisis team or institutionalize people or anything that dramatic. Instead I think flagged individuals would be quietly moderated in other ways: their search engine results inconspicuously moderated, certain items not showing up for purchase on the internet, different ads being shown to them to try to subliminally reduce suicidal urges. Maybe in some countries those individuals would be barred from purchasing firearms, but that seems unlikely to me.

Guns and Nembutal are probably the best examples of technological advancement providing a completely new method of suicide, and neither of them were designed specifically for that purpose. The same could be said of inert gas and SN. I think that–like the methods previously listed–if a new method were to appear as a result of technological advancement, a quick and painless suicide would not be the intended purpose of the technology but rather an unintended byproduct.

I mean if we are constantly being surveiled and guarded by person, robot or drone how could we hang ourselves. Someone put a thread about it here the other week and it really wouldn't surprise me.

The world you envision you ring very good points but I think that's near how things are going to be this decade. I'm probably talking the decade after or two.

 

[Kumachan]

there ARE excellent methods already, its the problem of availability not technology.

 

[Aonewayticketplease]

Doubt that there will be better methods. Sodium phenobarbital has been around for decades without anything better to replace it. What is faster than a bullet to the brain?

I think that obtaining the tried and tested methods of CTB will be harder to obtain. It will be harder to CTB by every single day from here on out.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Doubt that there will be better methods. Sodium phenobarbital has been around for decades without anything better to replace it. What is faster than a bullet to the brain?

I think that obtaining the tried and tested methods of CTB will be harder to obtain. It will be harder to CTB by every single day from here on out.

Maybe some sort of electrical stimulation to certain parts of the brain, that slowly shut you off, layer by layer, in a very pleasant manner. You could even customize how you would want the experience to be, which memories you would like to see while you drift off into unconsciousness and so on.

And when you are unconscious some brute Polish guy breaks your neck and throws you on a pile of dead bodies in the back of a truck.

 

[Aonewayticketplease]

Maybe some sort of electrical stimulation to certain parts of the brain, that slowly shut you off, layer by layer, in a very pleasant manner. You could even customize how you would want the experience to be, which memories you would like to see while you drift off into unconsciousness and so on.

And when you are unconscious some brute Polish guy breaks your neck and throws you on a pile of dead bodies in the back of a truck.

One can only wish.

 

[Partial-Elf]

I mean if we are constantly being surveiled and guarded by person, robot or drone how could we hang ourselves. Someone put a thread about it here the other week and it really wouldn't surprise me.

The world you envision you ring very good points but I think that's near how things are going to be this decade. I'm probably talking the decade after or two.

I don't think it'll get the point you're describing, just the collection, storage and analysis of internet and phone data. I don't think it's ever going to be like we're being physically watched 24/7 which is what would be required to prevent hanging. Even in jails where that's theoretically what happens people manage to hang frequently.