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So I have had a family member who suffered for years from a painful illness. She always talked about how painful life is for her and how much she wishes to die because of her suffering.
The whole time I felt really bad for her and didn't know what to do.

I talked to my family members about this, and they just said that she didn't really mean that.
I asked them to at least let me contact Dignitas about her, but they refused.

She is now dead at last, and I am happy that she doesn't suffer anymore.

The lesson that I took from this whole deal was that I shouldn't trust anyone to care about my suffering, if I ever get into such a painful situation myself. I should care for myself, and make sure I have available ways out if I ever need them.

Did anyone else have those experiences with suffering loved ones?
 
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My mum died peacefully of legal medically assisted suicide at age 87 due to kidney failure. That was when I became an advocate for it to be available for those of us that suffer mentally. She didn't have to sneak around like a criminal, she was able to say goodbye to everyone, and we were all with her. It was a good transition.
 
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My friend's mom suffered probably from post partum depression after her 3rd of 4 kids. She starved herself to death. It took a long time. My friend was there to witness it. CRUEL !
 
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I never heard anyone beg for it, but lots of situations where it was unspoken but clearly present. That's probably worse.
 
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My Dad , ages ago , but it seems recently.
Cancer.
I said ; I 'll see you tomorrow.
He said : I don't want to see you tomorrow.
I said . Have a good journey.
He was unconscious the next day .
Dead a few days later .
So un-necessary.
All he wanted was OUT .

The whole thing was FUBAR , I'm still angry about it .

My mum was the same , thirty years ago.
 
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EBEN30

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My mum died peacefully of legal medically assisted suicide at age 87 due to kidney failure. That was when I became an advocate for it to be available for those of us that suffer mentally. She didn't have to sneak around like a criminal, she was able to say goodbye to everyone, and we were all with her. It was a good transition.

Thank you for sharing that with us.

Honestly, it amazes me, living in the UK our parliament turned down legislation of euthanasia/assisted suicide a couple of years ago, despite people with terminal or debilitating illnesses and despite people who have had to either travel abroad for an assisted death and cut short their time on Earth with friends and family as a result and despite people who have had to witness loved ones dying in agony, all stand before parliament and testify about their harrowing accounts. Despite all of that and overwhelming public support, our MP's still had the audacity to vote the law change down.

I honestly do not know how we can be living in modern times where we're becoming more liberal, more technologically advanced, more advanced as a species and more enlightened overall, yet we still can't make an assisted death legal everywhere. It's great that it's happening in some states in the US and overseas in other countries but I'm ashamed the UK used to be at the forefront with liberal laws and being pioneers and now we've just stalled.

How can we honestly say it's fine to end suffering of an animal and see that act as merciful and compassionate yet not have the same level of respect for humans.

I'm so glad your Mum got the peaceful and dignified ending she deserved and your family get to treasure her final moments and goodbye in a way that was suitable for everyone involved, may she rest in peace.
 
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never, all my family members that died HORRIBLE deaths by cancer always kept pushing through the pain and enduring without asking to be dead. all because of their families and loved ones, makes me feel extremely weak and guilty about my decision to CTB.
 
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Sep 14, 2019
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So I have had a family member who suffered for years from a painful illness. She always talked about how painful life is for her and how much she wishes to die because of her suffering.
The whole time I felt really bad for her and didn't know what to do.

I talked to my family members about this, and they just said that she didn't really mean that.
I asked them to at least let me contact Dignitas about her, but they refused.

She is now dead at last, and I am happy that she doesn't suffer anymore.

The lesson that I took from this whole deal was that I shouldn't trust anyone to care about my suffering, if I ever get into such a painful situation myself. I should care for myself, and make sure I have available ways out if I ever need them.

Did anyone else have those experiences with suffering loved ones?
Well, my cousin, we aren't close but I feel for her because her situation is so severe. She has MS and just got both legs amputated from diabetes. She's been in a nursing home for 20 years, since she was in her 30s. She can't move, talk, do anything. She may as well be a rock. An inanimate object. I can't imagine how anyone would want to live like that. Her mind isn't all there anymore but I think her family should get a doctor to end her suffering. To me what she is going through is the cruelest thing in this world.
 
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never, all my family members that died HORRIBLE deaths by cancer always kept pushing through the pain and enduring without asking to be dead. all because of their families and loved ones, makes me feel extremely weak and guilty about my decision to CTB.

Yeah, some people are like that. I don't understand that, though. Wouldn't it be harder for other family members to see their loved one suffer? I would never want anyone to keep suffering through a painful life.
 
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jgm63

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Oct 28, 2019
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Thank you for sharing that with us.

Honestly, it amazes me, living in the UK our parliament turned down legislation of euthanasia/assisted suicide a couple of years ago, despite people with terminal or debilitating illnesses and despite people who have had to either travel abroad for an assisted death and cut short their time on Earth with friends and family as a result and despite people who have had to witness loved ones dying in agony, all stand before parliament and testify about their harrowing accounts. Despite all of that and overwhelming public support, our MP's still had the audacity to vote the law change down.

I honestly do not know how we can be living in modern times where we're becoming more liberal, more technologically advanced, more advanced as a species and more enlightened overall, yet we still can't make an assisted death legal everywhere. It's great that it's happening in some states in the US and overseas in other countries but I'm ashamed the UK used to be at the forefront with liberal laws and being pioneers and now we've just stalled.

How can we honestly say it's fine to end suffering of an animal and see that act as merciful and compassionate yet not have the same level of respect for humans.

I'm so glad your Mum got the peaceful and dignified ending she deserved and your family get to treasure her final moments and goodbye in a way that was suitable for everyone involved, may she rest in peace.
"More advanced as a species" : I would say that is highly questionable.
Society as a whole is still run by money, which causes endless destruction....
( such as people who have no choice but to destroy natural resources so they can eat and feed their families, etc )

Thankfully, solutions will eventually arrive.
My spiritual teacher, Barry Long, stated that there will be a monumental wipeout on such a major scale that it will literally transform the human psyche in a deep way. This will eventually allow a new consciousness on this earth....

He has a detailed explanation of the process here :
It runs over several pages..... (hit "Continues" links at the end of each page)
 
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EBEN30

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"More advanced as a species" : I would say that is highly questionable.

You're being very pessimistic.

I was simply stating a fact.

Technology has come along

Religion plays less of a role in society as years go by

Equality laws are getting passed in more and more countries

Cannabis is becoming more and more accepted

Like it or not we are becoming more and more enlightened it doesn't mean humans and society aren't still massively flawed and fucked it's just a fact that things have improved say from 50 years ago.
 
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jgm63

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Oct 28, 2019
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You're being very pessimistic.

I was simply stating a fact.

Technology has come along

Religion plays less of a role in society as years go by

Equality laws are getting passed in more and more countries

Cannabis is becoming more and more accepted

Like it or not we are becoming more and more enlightened it doesn't mean humans and society aren't still massively flawed and fucked it's just a fact that things have improved say from 50 years ago.
The way the world is run could not be further from a state of enlightenment.
Technology, as it is currently used, does next to nothing to help society as a whole.
It is mostly used to enforce the concept of unjust ownership, where vast inequalities of wealth are protected by so called "law".
Without mass surveilence and mass control, via technology, those in power would be overthrown due to the massive injustices of our society.
The only area where technology helps people is in the medical field, and that aspect can be applauded to some degree, although again, the money system has a serious impact on who can benefit from that.
However money and corruption also appear to run rampant in medicine, where making money usually takes priority over curing illness.
For example, pharma companies don't want a cure for cancer to be found. They want to sell drug "treatments" that make money.
The "progress" of mankind has served only to destroy the earth.
People think that technology advances mean that "things are improving", which is nonsense.
If humanity were more spiritually evolved then technology might not be a bad thing in itself, because then it could truly be used universally for the good of all.
 
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The way the world is run could not be further from a state of enlightenment.
Technology, as it is currently used, does next to nothing to help society as a whole.
It is mostly used to enforce the concept of unjust ownership, where vast inequalities of wealth are protected by so called "law".
Without mass surveilence and mass control, via technology, those in power would be overthrown due to the massive injustices of our society.
The only area where technology helps people is in the medical field, and that aspect can be applauded to some degree, although again, the money system has a serious impact on who can benefit from that.
However money and corruption also appear to run rampant in medicine, where making money usually takes priority over curing illness.
For example, pharma companies don't want a cure for cancer to be found. They want to sell drug "treatments" that make money.
The "progress" of mankind has served only to destroy the earth.
People think that technology advances mean that "things are improving", which is nonsense.
If humanity were more spiritually evolved then technology might not be a bad thing in itself, because then it could truly be used universally for the good of all.

What a load of rubbish, how you can possibly say the human race hasn't advanced from the 1950's is complete rubbish.

You're taking what I'm saying and taking it out of context to fit your own agenda because you're angry at the world.

I'm not saying the point you're raising aren't true not our opinions aren't mutually exclusive, they can both be right at the same time, but you're refusing to accept or acknowledge the actual point I'm trying to make so I'm not going to bother responding any further as I may as well be speaking to a brick wall.
 
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jgm63

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Oct 28, 2019
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What a load of rubbish, how you can possibly say the human race hasn't advanced from the 1950's is complete rubbish.

You're taking what I'm saying and taking it out of context to fit your own agenda because you're angry at the world.

I'm not saying the point you're raising aren't true not our opinions aren't mutually exclusive, they can both be right at the same time, but you're refusing to accept or acknowledge the actual point I'm trying to make so I'm not going to bother responding any further as I may as well be speaking to a brick wall.
I'm not angry at the world by any means.
I'm just capable of seeing things as they are.

If you say the human race has "advanced" then there should be improved quality of life for all, a sense of harmony and purpose. People should be fulfilled. If there are rulers then they should be wise and just. The resources of the earth should be used with wisdom and reverence. There should be no more wars. Hunger and poverty should have been solved. The gap between rich and poor should have lessened. People should be born with the same opportunities.

Whereas what we observe is the *opposite* of those things.

Perhaps you've been brainwashed into believing that technology is a "good" thing, and that capitalism is a "good" thing ?
And that those things mean we are making progress ?

If humanity weren't so obsessed with material posession and ownership then we wouldn't need so many computers to track and enforce who owns what.
 
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My friend's mom suffered probably from post partum depression after her 3rd of 4 kids. She starved herself to death. It took a long time. My friend was there to witness it. CRUEL !
Omg that's so sad :aw:
 
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