Venting Death will erase all we knew eventually anyway

[FuneralCry]

We are all just going to die and be forgotten about anyway, death really is something so normal and inevitable which is why it's so absurd when suicide is seen as the worst outcome possible by so many. Like death has to happen someday so how could it ever be wrong and irrational if one wishes to cease existing on their own terms. Humans are such a repulsive species to me, it repulses me how many of them wish to prolong the suffering of others as much as possible.

All that suicide is, is a way to take control over the inevitable preventing all future unnecessary pain and problems in an existence that was always very futile in the first place. We are all just waiting around to die anyway so I see suicide as rational to escape from suffering, I will always prefer the sound of eternally ceasing to exist to decaying from age, the thought of reaching an very old age horrifies me.
Existence is meaningless and filled with suffering, it's just so wrong how we cannot just choose to die in peace when we wish to even know death is all that's inevitable. The option of a guaranteed and peaceful suicide would be so relieving, in this hellish existence where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer, death truly is the only relief.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I mean- yeah- eventually, we all die- true. Still- all we know is our own experience and our own pain. If my Mum hadn't died when I was 3, would I have been happier the past 40 years? Would my Dad? Would everyone who knew her? Probably. We all miss her deeply. She didn't suicide either. I suspect that would have been even harder for us.

We have to accept death- true- we get no choice in that. We're mortal- it's part of the course. Still, I truly don't get how you expect people to just not care about it!

Sorry- I know you don't like people criticising your venting posts but saying all people shouldn't be affected by death because that is your experience isn't realistic. Some people here are suicidal in the first place because they have lost people they love. We're not all as logical as you. Some people find it very hard to get over losing someone.

Plus- the whole inevitable thing doesn't really work either. Once we're born, life is inevitable! Doesn't mean we have to feel ok about it! There are plenty of inevitable things in life we all get upset about- aging, illness, taxes. Just because it's inevitable, doesn't mean it won't affect us negatively.

Yes- it's selfish to mourn but- we are selfish. Would you truly be ok if everyone around you died and you had to make it on your own in life? Honestly- would it truly not bother you? You'd be happy for them to be free and be just fine supporting yourself financially, emotionally and generally in life with no one to turn to for help? Death does impact other people. It doesn't just happen in isolation. If you'd been orphaned as a child, do you think your life now would be better or worse? It could have been better of course but- what if your adoptive parents abused you?

Sorry for venting on your venting post but- just the same as positivity triggers you, I suppose this super analytical, cold view of death triggers me because it isn't most people's experience. It's actually also pretty insensitive to people who are still mourning their loved ones. It's effectively saying- that shouldn't upset you! Get over it!

Where I agree is, we were all unfortunate enough to have been born into this mess to begin with and- people should still get the choice if they want out. Still- to say it shouldn't affect anyone I would argue is both naive and sorry for this but- heartless as well. Which is weird because you're clearly a person with a lot of compassion.

Anyway- sorry again. A lot of the time, I bite my lip but honestly- your threads do trigger people too... This is a pro-choice forum- yes but it isn't pro-death so- I'd say some things likely will create upset.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

We are all just going to die and be forgotten about anyway, death really is something so normal and inevitable which is why it's so absurd when suicide is seen as the worst outcome possible by so many. Like death has to happen someday so how could it ever be wrong and irrational if one wishes to cease existing on their own terms. Humans are such a repulsive species to me, it repulses me how many of them wish to prolong the suffering of others as much as possible.

All that suicide is, is a way to take control over the inevitable preventing all future unnecessary pain and problems in an existence that was always very futile in the first place. We are all just waiting around to die anyway so I see suicide as rational to escape from suffering, I will always prefer the sound of eternally ceasing to exist to decaying from age, the thought of reaching an very old age horrifies me.
Existence is meaningless and filled with suffering, it's just so wrong how we cannot just choose to die in peace when we wish to even know death is all that's inevitable. The option of a guaranteed and peaceful suicide would be so relieving, in this hellish existence where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer, death truly is the only relief.

I fully agree. Damn seeing somebody as logical as you when it comes to life and death is so soothing. If there's anybody here who I believe deserves peace the most, it's you. May you be dead as soon as possible so that the total cumulative suffering that you will go through decreases

I mean- yeah- eventually, we all die- true. Still- all we know is our own experience and our own pain. If my Mum hadn't died when I was 3, would I have been happier the past 40 years? Would my Dad? Would everyone who knew her? Probably. We all miss her deeply. She didn't suicide either. I suspect that would have been even harder for us.

We have to accept death- true- we get no choice in that. We're mortal- it's part of the course. Still, I truly don't get how you expect people to just not care about it!

Sorry- I know you don't like people criticising your venting posts but saying all people shouldn't be affected by death because that is your experience isn't realistic. Some people here are suicidal in the first place because they have lost people they love. We're not all as logical as you. Some people find it very hard to get over losing someone.

Plus- the whole inevitable thing doesn't really work either. Once we're born, life is inevitable! Doesn't mean we have to feel ok about it! There are plenty of inevitable things in life we all get upset about- aging, illness, taxes. Just because it's inevitable, doesn't mean it won't affect us negatively.

Yes- it's selfish to mourn but- we are selfish. Would you truly be ok if everyone around you died and you had to make it on your own in life? Honestly- would it truly not bother you? You'd be happy for them to be free and be just fine supporting yourself financially, emotionally and generally in life with no one to turn to for help? Death does impact other people. It doesn't just happen in isolation. If you'd been orphaned as a child, do you think your life now would be better or worse? It could have been better of course but- what if your adoptive parents abused you?

Sorry for venting on your venting post but- just the same as positivity triggers you, I suppose this super analytical, cold view of death triggers me because it isn't most people's experience. It's actually also pretty insensitive to people who are still mourning their loved ones. It's effectively saying- that shouldn't upset you! Get over it!

Where I agree is, we were all unfortunate enough to have been born into this mess to begin with and- people should still get the choice if they want out. Still- to say it shouldn't affect anyone I would argue is both naive and sorry for this but- heartless as well. Which is weird because you're clearly a person with a lot of compassion.

Anyway- sorry again. A lot of the time, I bite my lip but honestly- your threads do trigger people too... This is a pro-choice forum- yes but it isn't pro-death so- I'd say some things likely will create upset.

I may be wrong but I don't think that FC is saying that people shouldn't be affected by death. They're just venting about their own views on death and dislike at how people force her to live because of their own views regarding death.. which is completely reasonable. I don't think she would care what other people think about life and such as long as other people were to stop making peaceful and painless suicide methods unobtainable to get. I agree with everything that you said but I do disagree that it applies to her as it doesn't seem to be that way. Nonetheless, like I said, I may be wrong

 

[Morte]

Plus- the whole inevitable thing doesn't really work either. Once we're born, life is inevitable! Doesn't mean we have to feel ok about it! There are plenty of inevitable things in life we all get upset about- aging, illness, taxes. Just because it's inevitable, doesn't mean it won't affect us

taxes and illnesses are bad because we got to experience It all, but death is the end of every experience. There is no logical reason to think it is bad. Funeral means that because death is inevitable and does not bring any negative experience (to the one who is dead) it makes no sense to fear It for ourselves.

 

[Forever Sleep]

taxes and illnesses are bad because we got to experience It all, but death is the end of every experience. There is no logical reason to think it is bad. Funeral means that because death is inevitable and does not bring any negative experience (to the one who is dead) it makes no sense to fear It for ourselves.

Agreed but- I didn't really mean from our own perspective. Completely agreed- suicidal people in particular don't need convincing that death is a good thing! That's preaching to the choir. It's more the overall concept of death as this great thing for all involved. I just don't think it's very realistic or compassionate.

It's mostly the people left behind I was refering to. Maybe I read too much into FC's posts but they do (to me) seem to be saying- everyone should embrace death as the best outcome. There's no sympathy or allowace for people to mourn their dead because- that's illogical and death is great! That quite often isn't the case for a bereaved husband or mother though. They could be going through the most painful time they have ever had to endure. It may make them suicidal themselves. That's going to feel like a negative outcome for them! Whether or not someone else thinks it should. That territory though is telling people how they should react to their life- which isn't very pro-choice. I'm not by the way- protesting suicide. I'm just saying- that could be the reality of the aftermath after either natural death or suicide.

Death isn't something that brings everyone joy! That's just the reality of it. All people won't accept death as some great thing because it causes them pain. It likely won't comfort them that they'll be dead themselves in the next 60 years. That will be 60 years of missing that person. Given the choice- wouldn't they prefere them not to be dead?

Of course- there- suicide is different because in that case, that person was obviously suffering and the compassionate thing would be to accept that and let them go. I get the impression that FC means all death though- not just suicide. All death should be acceptible to all because eventually we all die. It's a fact of life- don't get upset about it- type of thing. Not all people can be that logical.

Sadly- we can't influence how our death will affect others. Otherwise- suicide would in fact be much more straight forward for those of us who care what it might do to those left behind. If death really was this thing that people left behind could come to terms with so easily, then there wouldn't be so much opposition to it! But for a lot of people- even suicidal people- the death of a loved one is a difficult event. Even here and we like the sound of death!

Death can also seem like a negative experience to someone who doesn't want to die I imagine. Personally, I hope there isn't an afterlife but that's not 100% known either- so- the religious folk may argue that death isn't the end. (Let's hope so though.)

That's my feeling anyway but I have a different experience of life to FC. Close family deaths have been a very painful part of my life, so I guess I can't see death as the saving grace that FC can- not in all cases anyhow.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Sadly- we can't influence how our death will affect others. Otherwise- suicide would in fact be much more straight forward for those of us who care what it might do to those left behind.

I think FC was referring to us who may ctb in the future, rather than those who are left behind. We can think about those who will be impacted right now since we're still alive, able to grasp the very impact this decision will have on those left behind and it dose weigh heavy on the mind of some people more than others. This may be harsh on my end but after I'm dead, it won't matter how they deal with it because they won't be the first nor will they be the last to endure such a loss this way. Maybe it's because I've ceased to care less and less about what those left behind will do but it's not like they could've done anything to prevent it from happening either otherwise I wouldn't have had any issue openly discussing my plans to ctb in the near future. I find that in such cases, we have to choose, choose to preserve ourselves as long as possible to delay the pain they'll feel or go ahead with ctb for our own reasons that far outweighs the impact of what that decision will have on anyone left behind.