Method Cyanide and effectiveness

[kcn2020]

Hi there. Short post to explain and seek advice in the use of cyanide in a potential suicide. Many people here consider SN to be the easiest method to CTB, however, very few consider cyanide although it is considered to be one of the most lethal inorganic compound on earth.

I currently have easy access to potassium cyanide aka KCN through my university email address and local chemical suppliers, and since cyanide is often used in chemistry for dissolving gold in water with potassium gold cyanide (it is one of the only compound capable of dissolving gold in a water soluble solution), it will be easy to make a purchase.

That being said, cyanide is often neglected as a good method to CTB because it can induce extreme pain, although various reports prove the contrary. Indeed, cyanide is rather quick, with unconsciousness following in less than 3 minutes after ingestion. It is in fact not the cyanide itself that will kill you, but the hydrogen cyanide aka HCN produced in the stomach following contact with the gastric acid.

To ensure a quick and painless death, the peak of HCN in the stomach must be reached fast. Here are my suggestions:

• Fill 2 empty "000" gelatin pills with either NaCN or KCN crystals. The average lethal dose for a 70kg individual is 210mg, and 2 pills averages 2g so more than nine times the lethal dose.
• Do not drink and eat anything for one day and do not sleep in the evening. In the early morning or late night, the concentration in acid in your stomach will be very high.
• Swallow the pills with an acidic drink. My personal choice would be de-carbonated chilled diet coke, as it prevents vomiting and is also very acidic because of the concentration in phosphoric acid.

With these conditions, death should be very quick with no possibility of revival. Let me know what do you think.

 

[aminend]

I reviewed many news about death by kcn in my country. That's not very hard to obtain kcn here. All of them died. There is not any serviver to say what happened and any thing about its pain. In all of them Convulsions and unconsciousness happened quickly after first symptoms. And death acured in 15_60 minutes. I dont know Convulsions is after unconsciousness or befor that if that is after that's ok.
I think death by kcn is like death by a heart or brain attack.

 

[JB1999]

I'm sure if cyanide was more accessible people would use it more often. I definitely wish I could get some. Just have to make do with SN I guess

 

[Mm80]

I believe its almost 100 percent reliable with a short period of intense pain. I think the only reason sn is favoured above it is due to availability.

 

[GoneByTomorrow]

If I had access to cyanide I would be dead by now. Unfortunately it seems like I'd never have the chance to get some, so SN is my way to go. If you access to cyanide, go for it.

 

[falloutcarter13]

I think a lot of the confusion about cyanide is over the effects of hydrocyanic gas inhalation (legal executions) verses the ingestion of potassium or sodium cyanide for the same purpose. Even articles which seek to explore the nature of cyanide poisoning seem to often confuse the two. There is a lot more data out there about inhalation of the gas, given that 700+ death row inmates were executed with it in the US alone. Ingestion reports exist, but they're not as prevalent or as well-documented. You obviously are a smart person and you sound like you know what you're talking about...my reply is just kind of a PSA to remind everyone its important to note which method of administration was used, gas or ingestion, because the effects and duration seem to be significantly different. I'd think that your plan to ctb with KCN ingestion would be more effective than SN, but as to pain/duration...there's too many conflicting reports from death by cyanide ingestion, I wouldn't even care to hazard a guess. It sounds like you've done your homework though, and I wish you the very best of luck in whatever you choose to do =)

 

[kcn2020]

I think a lot of the confusion about cyanide is over the effects of hydrocyanic gas inhalation (legal executions) verses the ingestion of potassium or sodium cyanide for the same purpose. Even articles which seek to explore the nature of cyanide poisoning seem to often confuse the two. There is a lot more data out there about inhalation of the gas, given that 700+ death row inmates were executed with it in the US alone. Ingestion reports exist, but they're not as prevalent or as well-documented. You obviously are a smart person and you sound like you know what you're talking about...my reply is just kind of a PSA to remind everyone its important to note which method of administration was used, gas or ingestion, because the effects and duration seem to be significantly different. I'd think that your plan to ctb with KCN ingestion would be more effective than SN, but as to pain/duration...there's too many conflicting reports from death by cyanide ingestion, I wouldn't even care to hazard a guess. It sounds like you've done your homework though, and I wish you the very best of luck in whatever you choose to do =)

Yes you're right. The US used to execute inmate with cyanide gas in former gas chambers. Some reports indicate that unconsciousness was quick, with death following in minutes for inmates that relaxed and breathed the gas immediately. However, some inmates suffered convulsions and pain lasting long minutes.

The inmate was advised to take long deep breath of the gas (the gas is visible to the condemned, and it has an acidic smell like bitter almonds) but this is difficult to assess since most of the time the SI will prevail and you will hold your breath. By holding your breath, the concentration of HCN is too small to induce quick unconsciousness and you might suffer extreme pain.

Ingestion of cyanide, on the other end, is not as documented. But the effectiveness is the same: nobody survived a cyanide pill. For the pain aspect, I think it depends on the quantity ingested, if you do have food in your stomach and guts that would slow down the peak of HCN and cause struggles.

Depriving yourself of sleep and food for 2-3 days before taking your death pill would certainly fasten the whole process. Also quantity should be at least 2 or 3 times the lethal dose. A quantity too small is likely to induce great pain as the body will struggle against the poison.

 

[death137]

Good for you. I wish I've access to it. When I first became suicidal it was my most preferred method. I asked my friend to get me but he didn't find any. I read you will feel intense pain for some seconds or a minute but I think it worth it. Death is almost guaranteed.

 

[kcn2020]

Good for you. I wish I've access to it. When I first became suicidal it was my most preferred method. I asked my friend to get me but he didn't find any. I read you will feel intense pain for some seconds or a minute but I think it worth it. Death is almost guaranteed.

Should be this. Intense pain for some seconds as your heart will stop. It will be effective since revival is impossible.

 

[Dude1983]

Depriving yourself of sleep and food for 2-3 days before taking your death pill would certainly fasten the whole process. Also quantity should be at least 2 or 3 times the lethal dose. A quantity too small is likely to induce great pain as the body will struggle against the poison.

I think you don´t need to torture yourself this way, the last 2 days of ur life, 2 or 3 hours fasting its ok. Lethal dose is 0.3 gram or 300 miligram. 1.5 gram is overkill i guess LOL

 

[Lordsudbury]

I can order this online from where I live now so I am considering it

 

[Corraled]

I'm sure if cyanide was more accessible people would use it more often. I definitely wish I could get some. Just have to make do with SN I guess

I have made sodium cyanide from the recipe in the peaceful pill book. Currently all the precursor chemicals are easy to get but of course that can get sketchy. You need sodium or potassium hydroxide (ideally potassium), currently easy to buy but it could be made from table salt and electrolysis, charcoal and one of the following alternatives: Cyanuric Acid (still legal as a pool chemical) Urea (still legal and basically urine is a dilute urea solution also sold as a 30% concentrated solution in gas stations) or "nitrogen rich organic matter" like dried blood powder, which is the historical method. I made it with cyanuric acid, i tested it with cyanide test strips and then i did the prussian blue test. The prussian blue test is more than just a test, it can be used to purify the cyanide but i still have not done that part, all my cyanide so far has been very dilute in dirty water.

 

[Homecoming]

I have KCN alongside SN but I'll only use it if the SN fails (hopefully not!).

 

[Corraled]

I have KCN alongside SN but I'll only use it if the SN fails (hopefully not!).

Just dont take them together. Megairony: SN is an antidote for cyanide poisoning, dunno if the opposite is also true.

 

[Homecoming]

Just dont take them together. Megairony: SN is an antidote for cyanide poisoning, dunno if the opposite is also true.

No, I definitely won't take KCN immediately after the SN fails and vice versa. I know that SN is the antidote for Cyanide poisoning.

 

[Lordsudbury]

No, I definitely won't take KCN immediately after the SN fails and vice versa. I know that SN is the antidote for Cyanide poisoning.

Is there a better thread or information about how to use KCN ? I'm in a position to be able to order. I don't want to make any assumptions though if I do get it and want to ingest it, and do something silly.

 

[Corraled]

Is there a better thread or information about how to use KCN ? I'm in a position to be able to order. I don't want to make any assumptions though if I do get it and want to ingest it, and do something silly.

There are not many testimonials, people say there are lots because of executions but i have never seen an actual post or link with these observations.
It would be great to read testimonials of survivors of cyanide poisoning. Cody from Cody's Lab took 17 mg of cyanide and said he breathed faster and felt some tingling in his right arm.

 

[Umbrellaterm]

I have KCN alongside SN but I'll only use it if the SN fails (hopefully not!).

Where did you get KCN?

No, I definitely won't take KCN immediately after the SN fails and vice versa. I know that SN is the antidote for Cyanide poisoning.

You're contradicting here. You sAid you will take the KCN if the SN fails?

 

[Corraled]

Where did you get KCN?

You're contradicting here. You sAid you will take the KCN if the SN fails?

he meant not taking it right away

 

[Lordsudbury]

I have made sodium cyanide from the recipe in the peaceful pill book. Currently all the precursor chemicals are easy to get but of course that can get sketchy. You need sodium or potassium hydroxide (ideally potassium), currently easy to buy but it could be made from table salt and electrolysis, charcoal and one of the following alternatives: Cyanuric Acid (still legal as a pool chemical) Urea (still legal and basically urine is a dilute urea solution also sold as a 30% concentrated solution in gas stations) or "nitrogen rich organic matter" like dried blood powder, which is the historical method. I made it with cyanuric acid, i tested it with cyanide test strips and then i did the prussian blue test. The prussian blue test is more than just a test, it can be used to purify the cyanide but i still have not done that part, all my cyanide so far has been very dilute in dirty water.

Stupid question ? But ? Did you try it ? Is this product the lethal solution?

 

[Corraled]

Stupid question ? But ? Did you try it ? Is this product the lethal solution?

I tested it with two methods, test strips and the prussian blue, cyanide is a precursor to prussian blue. Another test is dissolving a speck of gold as they do in gold mines. I have a bunch of indirect methods but i wont drink it to see the effects. I figure if i become proficient at this i might test it on a roach...
Oh, i also managed to make some using urine instead of cyanuric acid. I used just a few cc, really stinky and the amounts produced were likely minimal because the prussian blue came out very pale.

 

[ut0pia1992]

I am looking for someone who knows about LIQUID kcn.
I might get a hold of 50ml arriving in a few days.
Yet I know solubility is different powder vs liquid.
Can anyone tell me anything at all regarding this topic?