Curious why more people don't use gelatin capsules with SN

[GoodPersonEffed]

It seems to me there would be less of an assault on the stomach leading to vomiting.

We vomit if we drink sea water, and SN is used in saltwater fish tanks.

 

[escapefromabuse]

It seems to me there would be less of an assault on the stomach leading to vomiting.

We vomit if we drink sea water, and SN is used in saltwater fish tanks.

I had this same thought myself. The only thing I can think is that it would delay the onset.

 

[Heady_Cerebrum]

It can slow the absorption of the SN, which can make it take longer to work or not work. The idea of SN poisoning is to overwhelm the body with converted blood. The danger is that our bodies continually produce new blood and can convert SOME of the blood back, but not very quickly. So, reducing the rate of absorption can result in a person living with side effects of a longer death.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have an ebook for the chloroquine method that recommends 1000 mg of liquid Diazepam for seizures and sleeping through the effects of the method. I can only obtain Diazepam in liquid form, but I can crush the pills and drink it with water.

I cannot obtain chloroquine, nor safely obtain N, so SN is the next best option.

I think as a compromise, I will put 3-4 tablespoons of SN in gelatin capsules, take the Diazepam, and at the first signs of sleepiness, take the SN capsules.

If I fall asleep too quickly, after I wake up I can readjust the timing and try again.

 

[Ghost2211]

3 to 4 tablespoons is quite overkill, so to speak...

generally the lack of use of capsules is you don't want anything else in the digestive system as it will faster convert the nitrite to nitrate. This will lead to a slower more painful death assuming it results in.This will lead to a slower more painful death assuming it results in death at all We do not have enough information to know how much digestive function will cause too fast a conversion, but what we do know is the failed attempts we have seen have always involve adding other substances to the equation.

another risk is that some capsules dissolve and some do not and you end up vomiting up whole capsules and you do not get enough absorption. With the use of an anti-emetic the capsules made to quickly pass through the digestive system and it is questionable if you will absorb enough for it to take affect.

at least in theory capsules should not make a massive difference but as I say we lack data, and I don't think many people are willing to become the test subjects in this case.

1 generous tablespoon of SN to 75 mL of water should go down pretty fast and easy If you just chug it. If you do end up choosing to use capsules I would be very interested in the data.

 

[galaticgrizzly]

I haven't done much research into SN, but I think it has something to do with the time of onset.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

@RoseyBird thank you, I will take all this into consideration. I appreciate your input.

I'm keeping the Diazepam, though, if I can obtain it.

 

[Ghost2211]

@RoseyBird thank you, I will take all this into consideration. I appreciate your input.

I'm keeping the Diazepam, though, if I can obtain it.

oh by all means I would definitely consider is sedatives and anti-emetics and even possibly painkillers

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Doing my research now, multiple sources say gelatin capsules take 10-15 minutes to dissolve. One says they dissolve faster with warm water.

Would someone be willing to direct me to the conversion of SN to nitrate? Not just the guide, but where in the guide? If not, no worries.

 

[Ghost2211]

Doing my research now, multiple sources say gelatin capsules take 10-15 minutes to dissolve. One says they dissolve faster with warm water.

Would someone be willing to direct me to the conversion of SN to nitrate? Not just the guide, but where in the guide? If not, no worries.

I don't know of any conversations on this forum, but rather and basing it on the chemistry of sodium nitrite. The conversion happens from digestion and oxidation. I haven't done extensive reading on the process because I quite frankly assumed I would be dead before it happened.

 

[k75]

It seems to me there would be less of an assault on the stomach leading to vomiting.

We vomit if we drink sea water, and SN is used in saltwater fish tanks.

Capsules were really popular around here for a while, but mostly for the wrong reasons. There's a misconception that it will help you not vomit, but all it really does is help you not taste it.

You're still going to vomit if you're so inclined, because your body is being poisoned and that's how your body fights back. It does whatever it can to purge itself.

Capsules can dissolve at different rates, which is not ideal when you're trying to flood your system with a substance. They can also slow the process down and make it longer before you pass out.

A few users on this forum calculated the different types of capsules and how long it took to dissolve. I don't have the links off hand but you can find it through a search.

There are people who had success using them, but there are people who threw up the capsules. I think it's best to just suck it up and drink the solution. You'll taste the salt, but at least that way it all gets in you at the same time and can do its job fastest.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Thank you @k75 for all of that.

I think I may prefer to relax while ingesting. I may go for taking additional/overkill to make up for the varying absorption rate.

 

[k75]

Thank you @k75 for all of that.

I think I may prefer to relax while ingesting. I may go for taking additional/overkill to make up for the varying absorption rate.

The main thing that concerns me about that is taking too much may increase your likelihood of vomiting badly and quickly. And then you'll have no way of knowing if you might fail or not because you don't know how much got absorbed.

People came up with the idea of having multiple doses on hand in case they vomited, but based on my own experience, I suspect you'd just keep vomiting or not be able to drink the other doses at all.

In the end, none of it's an exact science. We're all just kind of learning as we go along.

 

[Ghost2211]

The main thing that concerns me about that is taking too much may increase your likelihood of vomiting badly and quickly. And then you'll have no way of knowing if you might fail or not because you don't know how much got absorbed.

People came up with the idea of having multiple doses on hand in case they vomited, but based on my own experience, I suspect you'd just keep vomiting or not being able to drink the other doses at all.

In the end, none of it's an exact science. We're all just kind of learning as we go along.

this is my thought as well an excessive dose will irritate the digestive system further leading to more vomiting. The symptoms caused by the SN may be amplified as well leading to more discomfort.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I've calculated 25g will mean 50 size 0 capsules.

The recommended 50 ml of water is about 1/4 cup.

I can't see taking 50 capsules with that little water. I may have to just suck it up and do the shot of SN.

 

[k75]

Most people used 00 capsules... About half as many, I think. There were comments that they still were drinking a lot of water with that many, though.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Most people used 00 capsules... About half as many, I think. There were comments that they still were drinking a lot of water with that many, though.

I was only able to get 0.

Your comment makes me think though that 50 ml is for maximum effectiveness but more isn't going to stop the process, perhaps just prolong it.