Ctb idea

[Detour]

my life has been going downhill more than expected. I have an "idea" for cbt to make it look like an accident. I know someone who has rolled their vehicle on two separate occasions because they were either falling asleep or tried to grab something that fell onto the car floor. So I was planning on driving until I locate a semi truck with a trailer and once I see it I will floor it with no seatbelt whilst in a position where It looks like I was trying to grab something I dropped. However I have a fear that they somehow determine it was indeed a suicide and I didn't get to tell my family it wasn't their fault because my main concern is that they will put the blame on themselves which is not true at all. Any input is welcome.

 

[bigj75]

I was planning on driving until I locate a semi truck with a trailer and once I see it I will floor it with no seatbelt whilst in a position

goddamn. I think there are easier ways to go but if this is what you want then do it.

 

[GreyMonkey]

Nice thoughts. So much that can go wrong though not to mention the potential damage to others and the uncertainty of death.

You may just total your car and end up severely injured but still alive and in massive debt from it all.

 

[Detour]

goddamn. I think there are easier ways to go but if this is what you want then do it.

There are easier ways but the main thing is I want to make it looks like an accident rather than a suicide. just another "oh he was on his phone" type of deal

Nice thoughts. So much that can go wrong though not to mention the potential damage to others and the uncertainty of death.

You may just total your car and end up severely injured but still alive and in massive debt from it all.

Yes there is a big chance I could survive which is even worse. But I see no other way to make it look like an accident. I also thought of this method because I don't plan on hurting anybody but myself, the impact of my hitting the big trailer would only hurt me. Would just committing suicide and leaving them a note be better ?

 

[GreyMonkey]

Yeah. I grapple with this question a lot.

I have thought about taking sn at a remote beach when there is a low tide in the late afternoon so my body is swept out to sea at night. Yet it's still pretty likely the autopsy would reveal as suicide plus all the expense that will go into body recovery etc

Its perhaps better and more realistic to just go with a note. An accident is really hard to fake.

Something like an intentional car crash can seem possible in the mind yet the reality is that you've either gotta be 100% committed in the moment or so out of your mind distressed that you are completely reckless. The later destroys the possibility of any planning though.

 

[Neurodamaged2]

Get drunk, leave the stove on no flame then go light a cigarette and come back with it lit. Go out with a bang. Looks like you were just being a dumbass with a stove. For bonus points leave a pan of bacon on the stove so it looks like you were gonna make food.

Idk, google 'accidental death' in the news and see what comes up.

 

[BlueWidow]

A woman I went to high school with did a similar thing, only she made it clear it was going to be a suicide. She left her husband a note and went out on the freeway and pulled out in front of the first semi that she saw. Her husband came home and found the note and called the police, but by the time they arrived, it was too late. She had already pulled out in front of the semi and it T-boned her & she died instantly. I think she must've been driving a really crappy car and she probably wasn't wearing a seatbelt. I could never do something like that though because that's involving another person in your suicide. I don't think it's fair to do that. Here's some innocent truck driver just trying to make a living and someone pulls out in front of him (or her).
I just don't think I could do that to somebody. I feel like I have every right to commit suicide anytime I want to, but I don't have a right to force anyone else to be involved in it. Now, if they want to volunteer to help me, I have no problem with that, but I don't think it's fair to force someone to be involved without their consent. That's also why I could never do a suicide by cop.

 

[Roger]

Get drunk, leave the stove on no flame then go light a cigarette and come back with it lit. Go out with a bang. Looks like you were just being a dumbass with a stove. For bonus points leave a pan of bacon on the stove so it looks like you were gonna make food.

Idk, google 'accidental death' in the news and see what comes up.

Just eat the bacon and be patient.

 

[WhiteDespair]

Pretty much anything that can be explained by drinking too much alcohol.

I had the idea of going out and getting super drunk so that I would pass out. Maybe accidentally take some extra NyQuil or SSRIs. Then, I'd go into the back seat of my car and sleep it off. This would be in the middle of summer or the middle of winter so I'd roast or freeze to death.

See, I tried to do the responsible thing but I was too drunk to think clearly and passed out in a situation that led to death.

I have no idea how effective this would be, there's a lot thay could go wrong and failures would likely cause permanent damage.

 

[Longman]

But I see no other way to make it look like an accident.

Read about shallow water blackout (SWB) method on this forum. It is only theoretical now, but seems very attractive for everybody who wants to make ctb look like an accident. Though SWB is most likely impossible for an average person, this method has an alternative (fainting while standing in shallow water, 'breathing in' water while being unconscious; fainting is possible with hyperventilation techniques).

 

[AgonyOnMe]

Same here. I want mine to look like an accidental overdose. I have a history of drug abuse so it should be acceptable. I'm not leaving a note, I plan to wipe out only my suicidal activity on line and I go out of my way to appear as if I'm just as happy as can be, like every other normal, non-suicidal person. Even if it isn't 100% believable, I hope to at least leave enough doubt so my family can justify believing it if they need to for religious reasons.

my life has been going downhill more than expected. I have an "idea" for cbt to make it look like an accident. I know someone who has rolled their vehicle on two separate occasions because they were either falling asleep or tried to grab something that fell onto the car floor. So I was planning on driving until I locate a semi truck with a trailer and once I see it I will floor it with no seatbelt whilst in a position where It looks like I was trying to grab something I dropped. However I have a fear that they somehow determine it was indeed a suicide and I didn't get to tell my family it wasn't their fault because my main concern is that they will put the blame on themselves which is not true at all. Any input is welcome.

The one thing that jumps out at me is for you to consider that truck driver's involvement. Even if it's a parked truck and he was nowhere near the scene when it happened and it was 100% your fault, that "What if I hadn't parked it there" question is going to be with him for the rest of his life.

 

[Detour]

Same here. I want mine to look like an accidental overdose. I have a history of drug abuse so it should be acceptable. I'm not leaving a note, I plan to wipe out only my suicidal activity on line and I go out of my way to appear as if I'm just as happy as can be, like every other normal, non-suicidal person. Even if it isn't 100% believable, I hope to at least leave enough doubt so my family can justify believing it if they need to for religious reasons.

The one thing that jumps out at me is for you to consider that truck driver's involvement. Even if it's a parked truck and he was nowhere near the scene when it happened and it was 100% your fault, that "What if I hadn't parked it there" question is going to be with him for the rest of his life.

Yea, after doing some thinking I realized some factors that could easily go wrong in that situation and will be finding another method. I also plan on deleting anything ctb related off my phone. I have also thought about using my rifle. A bullet to the heart, so I can at least let me family have an open casket which a bullet to the head will most likely very much distort my head and face. I will just have my cleaning supplies out my music playing, so it's just another cleaning session that my family knows I like doing.

 

[Nem]

I drive hundreds of kms a day and pass semis all the time and think of driving right the fuck into them constantly. They check for skid marks (not sure about the underwear) and no skid marks =suicide
Peace/hugs

 

[Detour]

They check for skid marks (not sure about the underwear)
Peace/hugs

lol thanks for the laugh I needed that. I also drive everyday looking at the semis just wanting to end it all. but I always fear that something is gonna go wrong and I end up in the hospital alive and with a huge debt.

 

[Sweet emotion]

This is a seriously selfish way to kill yourself because you are going to be putting so many other lives in danger. Do you want to be responsible for paralyzing someone or giving someone brain damage? That's just awful.

Nice thoughts. So much that can go wrong though not to mention the potential damage to others and the uncertainty of death.

You may just total your car and end up severely injured but still alive and in massive debt from it all.

Yes! Damage to others! How can this person be so heartless?
So what if they think it's a suicide? You're going to be dead. You won't know it.

 

[Corraled]

Drink a large amount of hemlock or assorted poisonous plants. It will look like a natural death because the toxicology labs dont check for random plant alkaloids, just for common drugs like heroin or alcohol.

 

[Science Is Scary]

Hanging and asphyxiation are other methods that can become ambiguous suicides. Investigators may have trouble distinguishing between accidental death by autoerotic asphyxia and suicide.

A potential downside of disguising a suicide as autoerotic asphyxia is looking like a sexual deviant. And also whatever downsides normally go along with the method.

The "choking game" may be another disguising choice, but that game may be more common among youth than adults.[2]

However, I've done very little research on the topic. I'll just throw out a few things I did find.

The UK Paper

A UK paper suggests coroners use the "beyond all reasonable doubt" standard when deciding to a rule a death a suicide.[1] Where that standard applies, even a little doubt may be enough to sway a coroner from ruling a death a suicide.

That paper also looks at what factors some UK coroners used to identify suicides. An active method of suicide (like hanging, firearms, jumping and stabbing) was the strongest predictor of a suicide ruling.[1]

Intent to die (such as by suicide note or verbally) was another strong predictor.[1] In case it isn't obvious, leaving a suicide note or mentioning suicidal thoughts will increase the chances of a death being ruled a suicide.

Changes in behavior, a history of self-harm and previous suicide attempts were other predictors. Death being caused by drugs and opiate toxicity were also predictors, but seemingly to a much lesser degree.[1]

The Canadian Paper

A Candian paper compares some asphyxiation suicides with autoerotic asphyxial deaths.[3]

It mentions "If one classifies all cases where the corpse was nude, cross-dressed, or found with the genitals exposed or accessible as autoerotic accidents and classifies all other subjects as suicides, then one would correctly predict the coroner's verdict in all but 14 of the 235 cases with information."[3]

So nudity or cross-dressing (for men) may be useful for an autoerotic disguise.

The paper mentions other factors more likely in autoerotic asphyxiations:

• Extra bindings like genital bindings or mouth gags
• Additional props like pornography, mirrors or sex toys
• Material to catch seminal fluid, like tissues or condoms
• Padding on the noose[3]

The usefulness of seminal fluid as an indicator of autoerotic asphyxiation seems somewhat disputed at the time of the paper (1992).

This paper is a wealth of references and information. There's a lot more information I haven't mentioned.

My Musings

I think the topic of disguising suicides is an interesting one. And there seems to be at least a few sources that give clues on how it could be done.

References

You may be able to use Sci-Hub or Google Scholar to find the full papers, if you have trouble.

[1] D. Stanistreet, S. Taylor, V. Jeffrey, and M. Gabbay, "Accident or Suicide? Predictors of Coroners' Decisions in Suicide and Accident Verdicts:," Medicine, Science and the Law, Jun. 2016. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002580240104100205
[2] R. L. Toblin, L. J. Paulozzi, J. Gilchrist, and P. J. Russell, "Unintentional strangulation deaths from the 'Choking Game' among youths aged 6-19 years – United States, 1995—2007," Journal of Safety Research, vol. 39, no. 4, pp. 445–448, Jan. 2008. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243750800090X
[3] S. J. Hucker and R. Blanchard, "Death scene characteristics in 118 fatal cases of autoerotic asphyxia compared with suicidal asphyxia," Behavioral Sciences & the Law, vol. 10, no. 4, pp. 509–523, Sep. 1992. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.2370100407

 

[Corraled]

Hanging and asphyxiation are other methods that can become ambiguous suicides. Investigators may have trouble distinguishing between accidental death by autoerotic asphyxia and suicide.

A potential downside of disguising a suicide as autoerotic asphyxia is looking like a sexual deviant. And also whatever downsides normally go along with the method.

The "choking game" may be another disguising choice, but that game may be more common among youth than adults.[2]

However, I've done very little research on the topic. I'll just throw out a few things I did find.

The UK Paper

A UK paper suggests coroners use the "beyond all reasonable doubt" standard when deciding to a rule a death a suicide.[1] Where that standard applies, even a little doubt may be enough to sway a coroner from ruling a death a suicide.

That paper also looks at what factors some UK coroners used to identify suicides. An active method of suicide (like hanging, firearms, jumping and stabbing) was the strongest predictor of a suicide ruling.[1]

Intent to die (such as by suicide note or verbally) was another strong predictor.[1] In case it isn't obvious, leaving a suicide note or mentioning suicidal thoughts will increase the chances of a death being ruled a suicide.

Changes in behavior, a history of self-harm and previous suicide attempts were other predictors. Death being caused by drugs and opiate toxicity were also predictors, but seemingly to a much lesser degree.[1]

The Canadian Paper

A Candian paper compares some asphyxiation suicides with autoerotic asphyxial deaths.[3]

It mentions "If one classifies all cases where the corpse was nude, cross-dressed, or found with the genitals exposed or accessible as autoerotic accidents and classifies all other subjects as suicides, then one would correctly predict the coroner's verdict in all but 14 of the 235 cases with information."[3]

So nudity or cross-dressing (for men) may be useful for an autoerotic disguise.

The paper mentions other factors more likely in autoerotic asphyxiations:

• Extra bindings like genital bindings or mouth gags
• Additional props like pornography, mirrors or sex toys
• Material to catch seminal fluid, like tissues or condoms
• Padding on the noose[3]

The usefulness of seminal fluid as an indicator of autoerotic asphyxiation seems somewhat disputed at the time of the paper (1992).

This paper is a wealth of references and information. There's a lot more information I haven't mentioned.

My Musings

I think the topic of disguising suicides is an interesting one. And there seems to be at least a few sources that give clues on how it could be done.

References

You may be able to use Sci-Hub or Google Scholar to find the full papers, if you have trouble.

[1] D. Stanistreet, S. Taylor, V. Jeffrey, and M. Gabbay, "Accident or Suicide? Predictors of Coroners' Decisions in Suicide and Accident Verdicts:," Medicine, Science and the Law, Jun. 2016. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002580240104100205
[2] R. L. Toblin, L. J. Paulozzi, J. Gilchrist, and P. J. Russell, "Unintentional strangulation deaths from the 'Choking Game' among youths aged 6-19 years – United States, 1995—2007," Journal of Safety Research, vol. 39, no. 4, pp. 445–448, Jan. 2008. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243750800090X
[3] S. J. Hucker and R. Blanchard, "Death scene characteristics in 118 fatal cases of autoerotic asphyxia compared with suicidal asphyxia," Behavioral Sciences & the Law, vol. 10, no. 4, pp. 509–523, Sep. 1992. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.2370100407

I myself have never believed any of these celebrities died by the choking game. It seems like a coverup.