Crisis team

[cazza82]

The doc that prescribes my buprenorphine at my recovery place is worried he had the crisis team call me to do an assessment they also know I have SN. I've never dealt with them before there coming tomorrow but the lady on the phone said things that made me feel more like a piece of shit like you can't do it what will happen to this person or that person and how would they feel meanwhile not giving a crap how I feel I mean I already know I don't matter but to make me feel that way when she asked what's happened to make me be like this I told her my situation her response was is that it is there anything else like totally invalidated my feelings I don't think she took me seriously because maybe having the SN is like a comfort blanket and I'm not necessarily gonna use it to end my life nope I purchased it to end my life anyone had experiences with crisis team in the UK and what the assessment involves should I be careful what I say to them. Just cos I haven't used the SN yet does not mean I won't

 

[SVEN]

Here in the UK my experience (may differ from local NHS authority to authority) suggests that the main purpose of crisis teams is to save money by keeping patients out of Hospital. GPs will call them in to shift responsibility in case a mental health patient becomes violent and harms themselves or others. The personnel will often vary, so you may be dealing with different staff on each occasion, expect to be dealing with folk who are "counselling" you with their heads bent over your case file notes.
They'll try to take control of the session in an authoritative manner and dictate your actions.
If I were in your position, depending on how truthful you are and how good a liar, I'd tell them I'd quietened down considerably, that I know I do get over emotional sometimes and make dramatic statements to try to get help and support. I'd also hide my SN and tell them I had flushed it.
They'll act as if they had more authority and powers than they actually do and tend to vaguely threaten you with detention or committal. Just remember, they'll lie and bluff without hesitation, genuinely believing in some instances that they are acting in your best interests.

 

[Dot]

Goin2 b honst tht slf xperncs wth crsis tm hve alwys bn ok

Slf ws opn abt suicdl feelngs & wht ws strgglng wth

Ppl ovr th/ phne oftn gve impressn tht thy wre burnd out & disaffctd bt th/ ppl vistng wre alwys gd

 

[SVEN]

Goin2 b honst tht slf xperncs wth crsis tm hve alwys bn ok

Slf ws opn abt suicdl feelngs & wht ws strgglng wth

Ppl ovr th/ phne oftn gve impressn tht thy wre burnd out & disaffctd bt th/ ppl vistng wre alwys gd

Glad you had a different experience, Dot, thanks for balancing things up with a good report.

 

[cazza82]

Here in the UK my experience (may differ from local NHS authority to authority) suggests that the main purpose of crisis teams is to save money by keeping patients out of Hospital. GPs will call them in to shift responsibility in case a mental health patient becomes violent and harms themselves or others. The personnel will often vary, so you may be dealing with different staff on each occasion, expect to be dealing with folk who are "counselling" you with their heads bent over your case file notes.
They'll try to take control of the session in an authoritative manner and dictate your actions.
If I were in your position, depending on how truthful you are and how good a liar, I'd tell them I'd quietened down considerably, that I know I do get over emotional sometimes and make dramatic statements to try to get help and support. I'd also hide my SN and tell them I had flushed it.
They'll act as if they had more authority and powers than they actually do and tend to vaguely threaten you with detention or committal. Just remember, they'll lie and bluff without hesitation, genuinely believing in some instances that they are acting in your best interests.

They will lie and bluff what situation would they do that like would they pretend they care and understand to get me to open up about my SN and then use it against me

 

[Dot]

They will lie and bluff what situation would they do that like would they pretend they care and understand to get me to open up about my SN and then use it against me

Thr primry questn wld b d/ thy thnk tht u cn kp urslf sfe

If u thnk tht u cn & u assre thm of tht thn thy mght b mre opn t/ listnng & spportng u thru ur undr-lyng feelngs

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

How the hell did they find out you had sn?

And yeah. That's usually how everyone I've met is. Most people anyway, they only think about their pain or their group's pain. Never anyone elses'.

If I were in your position, depending on how truthful you are and how good a liar, I'd tell them I'd quietened down considerably, that I know I do get over emotional sometimes and make dramatic statements to try to get help and support.

Exactly this. I don't live in the U.K. but it's probably the same with most of these types. In the U.S., their method of counseling, therapy, and whether or not you even have a mental illness is, "Do you want to hurt yourself? Do you go crazy sometimes." I mean, "No." Obviously. Easy as pie. It's not like they can take a blood test. Just answer the obvious questions with the answers they obviously are looking for. If they question your procurement of sn, that's going to be a bit harder. You've just taken up home meat curing. xD

Would they have any authority to take the sn? I mean, it's fully legal right, so they can't really do anything unless you threaten to use it to harm yourself.

 

[softtodie]

I've had such an awful experience with the crisis team recently. I've been on the phone to them every day this week telling them I feel unsafe and that I want to OD and continued to get invalidated by them and it honestly makes me feel so much worse. It's like I'm trying to ask for help and yet it's never given and idk what to do anymore but ik it makes me feel even more suicidal kinda like if I can't get help then what's the point in trying. I'm now looking into SN myself.

 

[cazza82]

I've had such an awful experience with the crisis team recently. I've been on the phone to them every day this week telling them I feel unsafe and that I want to OD and continued to get invalidated by them and it honestly makes me feel so much worse. It's like I'm trying to ask for help and yet it's never given and idk what to do anymore but ik it makes me feel even more suicidal kinda like if I can't get help then what's the point in trying. I'm now looking into SN myself.

I get ya on that one everything she was saying on the phone is what my therapist said you don't say to someone who is suicidal like guilt tripping then telling them not to do it life will and can get better the list goes on

How the hell did they find out you had sn?

And yeah. That's usually how everyone I've met is. Most people anyway, they only think about their pain or their group's pain. Never anyone elses'.


Exactly this. I don't live in the U.K. but it's probably the same with most of these types. In the U.S., their method of counseling, therapy, and whether or not you even have a mental illness is, "Do you want to hurt yourself? Do you go crazy sometimes." I mean, "No." Obviously. Easy as pie. It's not like they can take a blood test. Just answer the obvious questions with the answers they obviously are looking for. If they question your procurement of sn, that's going to be a bit harder. You've just taken up home meat curing. xD

Would they have any authority to take the sn? I mean, it's fully legal right, so they can't really do anything unless you threaten to use it to harm yourself.

My sons school principal read my private emails to the Samaritans long story he snuck his phone into school they knew about my mental health and literally looked through the phone my emails are still connected with it being my old phone it stated in the email that I ordered SN so obviously they told the people they needed to tell

 

[candy578]

I'm currently under my local crisis team and they know I have SN (made the mistake of mentioning the idea of it to a psychologist ages ago when I thought it would be impossible for me to get ahold of, which allowed them to connect the dots).
I guess your experience will depend on what area you're in, but thankfully mine are too under-resourced to care and they're only interested in getting me discharged back to the CMHT asap (even though they've made my crisis worse since I was referred). If you're particularly worried, tell them you've gotten rid of the SN/you're not planning on using it, or give them enough reason to think you're not at immediate risk (as they're really only there for acute issues, not long-term risks).

 

[SVEN]

They will lie and bluff what situation would they do that like would they pretend they care and understand to get me to open up about my SN and then use it against me

In my experience you may find that they appear, initially, to both understand and empathise with your feelings. Once you've opened up at all to them they can change entirely, throwing your own words back at you and "telling you how it's going to be."

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yes- I had the same experience when I was put in touch with them after the IC SN welfare check. The whole guilt trip: 'Think of what it would do to your family.' Felt like saying- that's why I'm still alive after 34 years of ideation. Don't use your guilt trips on me. I have enough of my own! It was an unpleasant experience. The police officers were so much kinder! Sorry you're having to go through this.

 

[cazza82]

Yes- I had the same experience when I was put in touch with them after the IC SN welfare check. The whole guilt trip: 'Think of what it would do to your family.' Felt like saying- that's why I'm still alive after 34 years of ideation. Don't use your guilt trips on me. I have enough of my own! It was an unpleasant experience. The police officers were so much kinder! Sorry you're having to go through this.

Exactly I feel guilty enough already I mean I don't wanna lie to them if maybe some kinda medication can help but it's my choice if SN is still an option I kinda felt like I had to agree to a visit with my doctor being so worried I was not doing good when he seen me last I'll have the odd ok sort of day but there far and between

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

The doc that prescribes my buprenorphine at my recovery place is worried he had the crisis team call me to do an assessment they also know I have SN. I've never dealt with them before there coming tomorrow but the lady on the phone said things that made me feel more like a piece of shit like you can't do it what will happen to this person or that person and how would they feel meanwhile not giving a crap how I feel I mean I already know I don't matter but to make me feel that way when she asked what's happened to make me be like this I told her my situation her response was is that it is there anything else like totally invalidated my feelings I don't think she took me seriously because maybe having the SN is like a comfort blanket and I'm not necessarily gonna use it to end my life nope I purchased it to end my life anyone had experiences with crisis team in the UK and what the assessment involves should I be careful what I say to them. Just cos I haven't used the SN yet does not mean I won't

damn,
im seeing the crisis team too. I'm gonna try and be strong and lie harder and better.
A part of me want to see how long I can waste their time and resources until they leave me the fuck alone.
I want people to understand that I don't want to recover, or anything like that.
I want to die.

I don't think they'll understand, so I'll change my tune eventually and pretend to have "gotten better".

 

[slinkey10]

Here in the UK my experience (may differ from local NHS authority to authority) suggests that the main purpose of crisis teams is to save money by keeping patients out of Hospital. GPs will call them in to shift responsibility in case a mental health patient becomes violent and harms themselves or others. The personnel will often vary, so you may be dealing with different staff on each occasion, expect to be dealing with folk who are "counselling" you with their heads bent over your case file notes.
They'll try to take control of the session in an authoritative manner and dictate your actions.
If I were in your position, depending on how truthful you are and how good a liar, I'd tell them I'd quietened down considerably, that I know I do get over emotional sometimes and make dramatic statements to try to get help and support. I'd also hide my SN and tell them I had flushed it.
They'll act as if they had more authority and powers than they actually do and tend to vaguely threaten you with detention or committal. Just remember, they'll lie and bluff without hesitation, genuinely believing in some instances that they are acting in your best interests.

I work in MH in teh Uk "the main purpose of crisis teams is to save money by keeping patients out of Hospital" kind of true but , more pre sectioning i.e. least restrictive option has to be tried first which is why crisis team or, HCAT or CATT = home treatment team are tried first. i.e. they can prescribe & monitor meds compliance ... other than that they do f all.
They do have faster route to sectioning though but anyone in teh UK knows there is no bed space in MH units so u literally have to kill someone to get sectioned. Even the 'risk to self or others' has been ignored & used to be a sectioning criteria.
I wouldnt worry about them.

 

[OminousDarkness]

The doc that prescribes my buprenorphine at my recovery place is worried he had the crisis team call me to do an assessment they also know I have SN. I've never dealt with them before there coming tomorrow but the lady on the phone said things that made me feel more like a piece of shit like you can't do it what will happen to this person or that person and how would they feel meanwhile not giving a crap how I feel I mean I already know I don't matter but to make me feel that way when she asked what's happened to make me be like this I told her my situation her response was is that it is there anything else like totally invalidated my feelings I don't think she took me seriously because maybe having the SN is like a comfort blanket and I'm not necessarily gonna use it to end my life nope I purchased it to end my life anyone had experiences with crisis team in the UK and what the assessment involves should I be careful what I say to them. Just cos I haven't used the SN yet does not mean I won't

Be careful, they could section you.

 

[cazza82]

Be careful, they could section you.

Everything went ok I guess I'm so used to faking and pretending I'm ok for this long they believed me their getting a doctor to come see me to discuss meds it was just weird felt so uncomfortable things they were saying made me feel shame and total guilt they obviously brought my son up like stop with the guilt tripping

 

[slinkey10]

Everything went ok I guess I'm so used to faking and pretending I'm ok for this long they believed me their getting a doctor to come see me to discuss meds it was just weird felt so uncomfortable things they were saying made me feel shame and total guilt they obviously brought my son up like stop with the guilt tripping

Urghhh ignore the guilt tripping , most of these f*ks know nothing.

My only opinion is it isnt all abt meds my backround is in sw which was supposed to be more holistic - this is so f'd "I'm so used to faking and pretending" - same here. we need a health 'care' system that actually cares ... omg even to say this is now a 'thought crime'.

eye roll

hope you're ok. GP route will be them googling something in front of u.
Try the counselling route or start implanting that into every convo - they have to / should document this. I dont know your whole story.

praying for u!