kane

kane

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I've done many genuinely terrible things in my life (I won't go into details), and large parts of me still want to do far worse. There are certain things that when you do them, you realize: 'Oh shit, that's it. There's no way back for me.' Where you understand that if anyone ever knew the real truth of you, they would despise you. I passed that point a long time ago, and just kept on going. If you who read this knew, then you would likely feel that kind of disgust, and you'd be right to. That's as honest as I can be without going into detail. I know many with depression have irrational or excessive guilt, but that's not me.

So I'm a bad person, by pretty much any moral standard you can think of. I'm not a psychopath. I don't think I'm a sociopath either. It's probable that narcissism plays a significant role in who I am, but I don't fit the traditional stereotype of a narcissist. It's not that I don't feel empathy, or have no sense of morality. It's that those motivations are easily overridden by selfish concerns. They're shallow, paper-thin. I would say the way I behave currently is less potentially harmful in some respects than in my past. But I haven't truly changed or reformed. That side of me is simply channelled down different paths.

I don't have much in the way of motivation to become a better person. That's the thing about being 'beyond the pale'. Whatever you do from this point on, you're still going to be unacceptable. So why bother? There's no point in the future I can imagine being 'ok' again, no matter what I do.

The question is how to live with that fact, since I currently seem to lack the conviction for suicide. It feels intolerable. Just this constant, nagging awareness of your own awfulness. It's not so much guilt, or even shame (though there is a deep sense of shame.) It's the isolation of it. Knowing that anyone you like, or care about, or let into you life would hate you if they really knew you. It puts you in subconscious opposition to the rest of humanity. I've psychologically cut myself of. Everyone with a sense of moral decency is a threat.

And that robs all potential meaning from life. Connection is impossible. Every interaction is a charade. I think that's true for much of social life anyway, but the difference is in the possibility of connection. But even when I meet someone I feel a real affinity for, I have to keep them at a distance, because I know they won't feel the same. It's kind of tortuous. I'm effectively deceiving people into liking me and thinking I'm a decent person.

So I don't know how to come to terms with all that, and accept it. Accept being this completely psychologically alone. There's no meaning in the world for me anymore. The only things I really want are either impossible (genuine connection), or morally unacceptable (making everything worse.) Hedonism only gets you so far. I have no clue what I'm doing here until my time runs out. I have no ambitions, no goals, no purpose. Mostly I just want to numb the awareness of who I am away. I've sat through countless months of therapy, but it doesn't change anything. Confession doesn't change anything. I'm still the same person, who's done those things, and wants to do worse (but probably won't.)
 
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GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
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I don't have much in the way of motivation to become a better person. That's the thing about being 'beyond the pale'. Whatever you do from this point on, you're still going to be unacceptable. So why bother? There's no point in the future I can imagine being 'ok' again, no matter what I do.

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Yes, you've crossed lines. You can find your backbone to face your stuff, own your stuff, and move forward. Please be a safer person if you're going to share the world with me. If you can do these things, eventually you will make connections with others.
 
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Weary Soul

Weary Soul

Soon I will be free
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I have no idea what you have done to lead you to feel this way; however, I agree with @GoodPersonEffed. In addition, keep in mind that there are some anatomical anomalies that occur in the brain that cause these kinds of problems - in some cases there is no way to control actions.
 
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Weather

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You say that you know what you have done (do?) is wrong, so you do have a moral compass. You are ultimately making choices. I think you will find that when you have made the choice to alter your behavior -- even if it is through conscious, calculated decisions rather than compassion and empathy -- you will be more able to be honest about what you have done and how you have worked to make amends. Shame has less power when you are working to do better.

I would honestly talk with a therapist that specializes in working with people with pathologies that might have similar effects to what you are dealing with. If nothing else, they may be able to help you to set up a framework to make decisions in a different way.
 
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Weary Soul

Weary Soul

Soon I will be free
Nov 13, 2019
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Some people with those anatomical brain injuries/differences that I spoke of know full well that what they are doing is not acceptable and are appalled at their actions - and yet they still cannot stop.

There was a case report of someone who had a brain tumor, who was for all intents and purposes "normal" prior to the tumor; however, afterwards he became interested children in a sexual way. He could not understand why, and while knowing it was wrong, could not stop. There are many reports of this man on the internet. E.g.,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...phy-then-doctors-discovered-why-a6893756.html

However, with that being said (and this is my own view and opinion - I am not encouraging anyone to do anything), if I know I am at the point of causing someone else harm to the point that they are damaged for life (and I have experienced this damage first hand), then I would have no problem stopping myself in any way I could, including asking to be incarcerated for life.
 
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IfNotForLove

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I relate to your words a lot, but I want to say that I found my most genuine connections thus far by being completely honest about my psychological shortcomings with people that I felt could sympathize with me, to a degree.

I truly believe that I am a bad person. I have done awful things. But for some reason, certain people I prioritize enough to add a level of transparency to our relationship and tell them when I am feeling like being manipulative or selfish, rather than actually doing it. It seems to help a lot, and the right people will respect it.

It's a double edged sword, though. The level of self awareness this requires also forces you through some pretty painful introspection.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
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The level of self awareness this requires also forces you through some pretty painful introspection.

That's exactly the backbone I was talking about.

I like how you have people you can go to who are safe for you and help you to be accountable and not act on your impulses.
 
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I think that I'm a bad person, I've treated people really bad. I don't have many friends because people don't want to be around me. I have negative energy and most of it is against myself. I have low functioning bpd and other issues. I'm working on being a better person, but I can't deal with the guilt of how I used to be.

I can't really cope with being a bad person. There is nothing but loneliness and seclusion. I'm wanting to die because even if I do change I will still be alone. I've had issues with not being the best person since I was a kid. I just handle this emotional pain anymore.
 
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kane

kane

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Jun 26, 2020
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To help you imagine...
Yes, you've crossed lines. You can find your backbone to face your stuff, own your stuff, and move forward. Please be a safer person if you're going to share the world with me. If you can do these things, eventually you will make connections with others.
It's interesting the things in this world you can come back from, and those you can't. There are lines and then there are lines beyond those, and unfortunately I'm on the wrong side of that. I've often tried to map myself onto the redemption narratives of others, and it just doesn't really scan. My thing is not something you can give a TED talk about. I feel like I've done what I can to face my issues - I wasted thousands on therapy, poured out my most shameful secrets, drove myself nuts trying to engage with the process, but...no change. My stuff still owns me, rather than the other way around. I'm about as 'safe' as I've been in 15 years, but the only further options are prison or suicide, and I lack the conviction for either. And part of what makes me 'safe' is near total isolation from others.
You say that you know what you have done (do?) is wrong, so you do have a moral compass. You are ultimately making choices. I think you will find that when you have made the choice to alter your behavior -- even if it is through conscious, calculated decisions rather than compassion and empathy -- you will be more able to be honest about what you have done and how you have worked to make amends. Shame has less power when you are working to do better.

I would honestly talk with a therapist that specializes in working with people with pathologies that might have similar effects to what you are dealing with. If nothing else, they may be able to help you to set up a framework to make decisions in a different way.
The thing is, the choice to alter behaviour never lasts. I've been through months of multiple specialist therapists. Nothing stuck. Nothing helped. Nothing made any of it easier to tolerate.
I relate to your words a lot, but I want to say that I found my most genuine connections thus far by being completely honest about my psychological shortcomings with people that I felt could sympathize with me, to a degree.

I truly believe that I am a bad person. I have done awful things. But for some reason, certain people I prioritize enough to add a level of transparency to our relationship and tell them when I am feeling like being manipulative or selfish, rather than actually doing it. It seems to help a lot, and the right people will respect it.

It's a double edged sword, though. The level of self awareness this requires also forces you through some pretty painful introspection.
I honestly think I'm kind of beyond sympathy at this point. Anyone who knew the depths of it, unless they themselves were highly morally corrupted, would have to reject me.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
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I've done many genuinely terrible things in my life (I won't go into details), and large parts of me still want to do far worse. There are certain things that when you do them, you realize: 'Oh shit, that's it. There's no way back for me.' Where you understand that if anyone ever knew the real truth of you, they would despise you. I passed that point a long time ago, and just kept on going. If you who read this knew, then you would likely feel that kind of disgust, and you'd be right to. That's as honest as I can be without going into detail. I know many with depression have irrational or excessive guilt, but that's not me.

So I'm a bad person, by pretty much any moral standard you can think of. I'm not a psychopath. I don't think I'm a sociopath either. It's probable that narcissism plays a significant role in who I am, but I don't fit the traditional stereotype of a narcissist. It's not that I don't feel empathy, or have no sense of morality. It's that those motivations are easily overridden by selfish concerns. They're shallow, paper-thin. I would say the way I behave currently is less potentially harmful in some respects than in my past. But I haven't truly changed or reformed. That side of me is simply channelled down different paths.

I don't have much in the way of motivation to become a better person. That's the thing about being 'beyond the pale'. Whatever you do from this point on, you're still going to be unacceptable. So why bother? There's no point in the future I can imagine being 'ok' again, no matter what I do.
I pretty much relate completely to these words. I relate to them so much you might as well be a ghost writer for my autobiography. The difference is I'm not sure what to do either except ctb because I feel like it's the only truly positive change I can bring to the world that's not corrupted by my own selfish and undeserved desires for attention/adoration. I may be biased, but I personally think rehabilitation is possible for ANYONE though since human morality varies widely between our cultures and is merely a mental construct no matter where it comes from. Unfortunately, that's why it's up to society to collectively accept it with at least some small majority, which might be asking too much depending on the severity of one's crimes/evil deeds/sins. If it looks like society as a whole will seemingly never forgive someone for their crimes then it might be useless, sadly...

I wish I could know more what to do too...
 
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dandan

dandan

One more attempt on life.
Feb 18, 2019
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Been through it for a few months. In the past, when I felt bad, I thought it was an option, just accept I'm a hard obnoxious fucker , I do have a friend who is. It's just natural for him, plus he is rich and need nobody to make a living.

I've got neither.
I'm on trt, and I'm far way better than in the past, spent almost 20 years with psychologists and psychiatrists.

Trt , testosterone has not caused me this obnoxious hard fucker syndrome that I thought it might.
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

Angst Filled Fuck Up

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Sep 9, 2018
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I relate to this a lot. My mind is very chaotic and prone to volatility which can manifest outwardly sometimes, causing real problems for myself and those around me. Many people have made me out to be a bad person because I am very honest to the point of offending others, and I just don't have the kind of level-headed control that most do when an argument breaks out.

Other than that, I am also selfish and live for hedonism and pointless pleasure, ultimately. I have no genuine desire to help others, change the world, or even be useful. Although I will say that I try to avoid doing any real harm that would keep me up at night or make me feel bad on a soul level.
 
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degeneratewaste

dressed for the grave.
Aug 24, 2020
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maybe changing therapists could help you? not every therapist will fit with you. or going to one of the more specific agencies like mentioned above... good luck.
 
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TotallyIsolated

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Nov 25, 2019
590
I don't know what you've done, but what's past is past. The only thing that matters is what you do now. I'm not religious, but I believe quite strongly that there is nothing that cant be forgiven, nor any person who cant change.
 
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netrezven

Mage
Dec 13, 2018
515
If you hunt to eat - it's bad but fine for me and live with that. If you hunt for anything else - it's sadistic /most humans are here/.
Well i actually enjoy being "bad" in general from sociaty's perspective. Love braking their rules all the time. And enjoy watching them from time to time how they are enslaved in other's rules, but betray their loved ones or friends all the time, mostly for money.
 
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hoping to lose hope

hoping to lose hope

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Nov 14, 2020
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My tip is to become a worse person and forget morality as it will free your conscience.
Or just try be nice because you mean it like me :3
 

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