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I've been thinking a lot recently. It's been just over a year since I was moved to The Bunker (my house) against my will by my brother and sister. A lot has changed in that time. I nearly died, I nearly killed myself, I've lost good friends and gained new ones.
The Spring and great weather brought a gradual positive slant in my attitude. I stopped looking for a cure all to my physical issues and started being realistic. I began to accept things I couldn't change and try to change the things I could. I did this not by doing what doctors or family said, but by listening to my body and observing my environment.
Instead of trying to force a positive change, I've tried to allow a change to happen by being open to it, and nudging it along with some research and carefully considered gradual action.
This started when I left the house and began scavenging the streets and woodland for the plants and materials I'd need to improve the garden/yard. I let the design of the yarden be determined by what was available and planted what I took from the woods or back field in the same conditions. I knew next to nothing about gardening, but observing, listening, replicating conditions and a little on-line research have led to a lovely place to be in, that has been hugely beneficial to my state of mind.
And whilst the exercise hasn't cured my ills, it's certainly helped me feel more capable, active and less unhealthy.
I've used the same principle in my diet and my supplementation regime. I've tried to give my body what it needs by listening to my intuition and also researching what may be the best diet and supplements for me, to give my body the best chance it has to fight my illness.
And sleep. Go back ten months and I was getting less than an hour a night, which was punishing to say the least. Now I can go the whole night in glorious sleep, something that ten months ago I'd never have imagined. When asked how I've managed this, I can't really answer, I've no idea, unless I come out with some Zen shit like "I've allowed it to happen by listening to my body." That really is my best answer.

There is a point here.

How do we live our lives? Do we expect too much from others whilst not doing enough to live up to our own responsibilities to ourselves?
My answer to that, for me, is yes.

At one end of the scale, things are far too controlled. Humanity seeks to control everything. We manipulate our entire environment to our benefit; our diet, our medicine, our health, our technology…everything. We use one drug to counter one symptom and another to counter the side effects of the first drug. We treat the effects of things, without observing and listening to what the causes really are. And then we wonder why everything is out of balance and careering towards a cliff edge.
I have behaved like that, most of my life.
At the other end of the scale, there is neglect. Allowing nature to take it's course. Living in disease and squalor, chucking our shit in the back alleys (which incidentally, I will rummage through and scavenge anything of use). Letting the garden grow out and fend for itself. Not thinking about what we eat or drink and just doing whatever we want because it's easier in the short term.
I've also been guilty of some of that too.

Many of you will have read my gardening stories and you may have come to realise how I've been using it as a way to treat myself, both physically and mentally.
But there is more to it for me.
I've been trying to re-align my attitudes to myself, the world and life. I've been trying to find a natural balance between control and going with the flow.
The spare plot of land I'm currently working on is a good example. I could, if I wanted, impose my will on it and over design something like you see on the gardening makeover shows. That sort of thing leaves me cold though.
Or I could just have left it all as weeds and let nature fight it out for what survived.
I've taken a middle path. I'm trying to let it design itself with the materials I've managed to scavenge, putting the terraces where they seem to want to go and the path where it feels most natural. Noting the break of slope and how to revet it correctly, but not imposing my will too much on where things naturally seem to want to go.
It's a balance between control and neglect that finds its place in allowing things to be how they seem to want to be, but giving them a gentle nudge in the direction I would like them to go in too.
With my OCD, this is actually very difficult.
I have a need to control and get things precise. Hover, I've noted that the OCD also gives me the ability to understand what appears to work best. It's both a strength and a weakness. I'm exploring my relationship with my OCD as I do the work, and trying to modulate my attitude towards life accordingly.

I've still got a long way to go. I'm stronger than I was, but I still have failure in my rear view mirror, as do we all. I'm not as independent as I want to be, nor as mobile or healthy. I've had to be realistic, adjust my expectations and do the best that I can with what I find around me.
 
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Thread necromancy! Rawr!

No one ever answered this post. I'm not surprised. My views (if I give them free rein) can be somewhat left of field, even for this place. I take that as a condiment (ie. with a pinch of salt :blarg:).

About that...

Along a similar vein as the OP:

Time.

Time is our enemy, by any stretch of the imagination. No matter our faith, philosophy or belief, time invariably fucks us all. Entropy is the greatest enemy. Though it is the grand motivator of all movement, and thus all life in the universe, on a daily basis it buggers us all dispassionately and comprehensively.

So I got to thinking...can I hack the system in some small way?
Can I use time in my favour? Stick a digitus impudicus up at the universe?

Yes.

Yes, I can.
In my own small way.

How?

Leaves.

LOL :pfff:

I'm collecting leaves this autumn. I add them, with grass clippings, to my leaf litter pile in the crate I've made. In another year, it will all rot down to the most wonderful leaf mould, unlike anything you can buy in the shops, and help my little yarden grow.

And what causes this? Time. Rot. The worm of Drek as Autumn progresses into winter.
Time fucks us all but I'm trying to use it to provide new growth in the future.

I don't know what this means, but my time outside, as the dark half of the year returns again, is spent gathering leaves.

Leaves. LOL.

It feels right.

Oh, and I'm experimenting with hard returns to create narrative emphasis so hey. :blarg:
 
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I don't think letting nature do what comes naturally is neglect. We work against nature to make our lives easier, more comfortable, and in doing so, we will eventually kill the earth as we know it.

I believe very strongly that nature will always win in the end.
 
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We work against nature to make our lives easier, more comfortable, and in doing so, we will eventually kill the earth as we know it.
I agree with you wholeheartedly there. Maybe my phraseology is inelegant. I don't believe we can refrain from trying to make things better for us entirely. Hence I suggest a balance between manipulating nature and working with it. A compromise, if you will, that occurs through being observant and listening. That would mean accepting that nature will win and so not fighting it, rather allowing it to steer us in our efforts to survive and prosper.
 
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You've made alot of progress since you've been here. Everything is about striking that delicate balance you speak of. I think you've been accomplishing that rather well.

I agree with you wholeheartedly there. Maybe my phraseology is inelegant. I don't believe we can refrain from trying to make things better for us entirely. Hence I suggest a balance between manipulating nature and working with it. A compromise, if you will, that occurs through being observant and listening. That would mean accepting that nature will win and so not fighting it, rather allowing it to steer us in our efforts to survive and prosper.
That balance is what permaculture is all about. Letting nature work for you instead of trying to work against it.

We've been trying to do that here as well and it's working out so far. We're also turning leaves into compost so you won't be alone in that this year.
 
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You've made alot of progress since you've been here. Everything is about striking that delicate balance you speak of. I think you've been accomplishing that rather well.


That balance is what permaculture is all about. Letting nature work for you instead of trying to work against it.

We've been trying to do that here as well and it's working out so far. We're also turning leaves into compost so you won't be alone in that this year.
I think you are maybe going through he same process and observations as myself? I guess it has a name then: permaculture?
 
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I gather about 75 bags of leaves every fall. Usually someone takes them to compost or insulate. My yard is too small to use all of that, but I do love the huge diciduous tree that shades me in summer (I do not have air conditioning).

Yes, balance in all things.
 
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I gather about 75 bags of leaves every fall. Usually someone takes them to compost or insulate. My yard is too small to use all of that, but I do love the huge diciduous tree that shades me in summer (I do not have air conditioning).

Yes, balance in all things.
75! I haven't counted how many I've gathered. It all goes on my back so it's a very gradual process, that it also teaching me about trees. But my crate is almost full and I feel I need to make another receptacle, which means I need to find some mesh from somewhere. Maybe I'll just dump them in a pile in the back field...
 
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I think you are maybe going through he same process and observations as myself? I guess it has a name then: permaculture?
That's basically what you've stumbled onto yes. The wiki sums it up better than I can.

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But it was still *your discovery*, my dear Herne.
 
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LOL that's me, stumbling blindly into realisations that others have figured out before me! :shy::happy::sunglasses:
I'm an idiot. Now I have more research to do...

Discovering from scratch is the opposite of idiot.
 
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