Compared to people in third World countries I live a luxury Lifestyle

[noname223]

Still I want to Die so fucking badly. Should I have a guilty conscience? There are countless refugees who sacrifice everything in order to come to Germany. But I am so fucking sick. I cried today. My sleep Rhythm gets out of control. I will destroy everything. The belief in solipsism is toxic. I cannot take it much longer.

 

[ceramic_apple]

I struggle to understand why someone with a belief in solipsism would want to die. What would change? I'd love to hear your rationalization :)

 

[noname223]

I struggle to understand why someone with a belief in solipsism would want to die. What would change? I'd love to hear your rationalization :)

I do not believe in solipsism but I once did. It makes you self-centered, narcissistic and selfish.

Of course someone who believes in it can still want to die. With me the world is going to end. Doesn't solipsism make suicide easier if you assume noone else will suffer because of your decision?

 

[Aergia]

Should I have a guilty conscience?

No. Their suffering doesn't negate the fact of yours.

as an aside, iirc, it's been found that people from developing countries are happier on average. They also have lower suicide rates. You could attribute those things to various aspects of the modern world, and culture might certainly play a role. But there's also the fact that everyone just has a different psyche. Or neurotype, or whatever. That's arguably just as, if not more, important part of one's circumstances than the more visible stuff that people emigrate for. Everything you experience is inevitably filtered through your unique perception. You could have all the creature comforts in the world but if your neurotype results in a perception that darkens things, or dulls them, or disorders them, you're not gonna be any better off, not really. It's like that Milton quote—the mind is its own place and in itself, can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven. hopefully all of that made sense.

 

[ceramic_apple]

I do not believe in solipsism but I once did. It makes you self-centered, narcissistic and selfish.

Of course someone who believes in it can still want to die. With me the world is going to end. Doesn't solipsism make suicide easier if you assume noone else will suffer because of your decision?

Solipsism is a very unscientific belief. If you believe you want to die, do you really believe in the simulation? How can death even be possible to a solipsist if the body is not real?

If the body is not separate from consciousness, killing it in an act of catharsis (suicide) is not possible because nothing would change. If the body is separate from consciousness, it is acted upon by other forces.

My professor said that he'd never met a solipsist with any rationality, lol. I'm sorry it made you selfish. I hope you are taking care of yourself, I hope you can come to terms with the world <3

 

[witchcraft]

Still I want to Die so fucking badly. Should I have a guilty conscience? There are countless refugees who sacrifice everything in order to come to Germany. But I am so fucking sick. I cried today. My sleep Rhythm gets out of control. I will destroy everything. The belief in solipsism is toxic. I cannot take it much longer.

I can't comment on the philosophy aspect.

You are the one who has to wake up and live your life, with your headspace and body, every single day indefinitely.

So, I don't think you should feel guilty if that makes you want to die.

It's funny: we hear all the time that we shouldn't compare ourselves to people who seem more successful, and that comparison is the thief of joy. But suddenly some people throw that whole platitude out the window when it comes to suicide, saying, "Oh, but what about the third world people, or anybody who conceivably *might* have had a worse life than you?"

I can appreciate that there is value in practicing gratitude. However, the two aforementioned positions are contradictory, in my opinion.

 

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as an aside, iirc, it's been found that people from developing countries are happier on average. They also have lower suicide rates. You could attribute those things to various aspects of the modern world. But there's also the fact that everyone just has a different psyche. Or neurotype, or whatever.

Faith might play into this as well, being more common in developing countries.

Belief in a higher power or a higher purpose in life, or that there's an afterlife to look forward to. To me, this would be huge. I wish I had faith. I'd love to buy into a religion or higher purpose. And if I could genuinely believe in an afterlife, that could very well cure me of all my problems right on the spot. (Maybe not totally curative, but it would help, I suspect a lot.)

Should I have a guilty conscience?

Well, you could... But I would try to let this go.

Depression and suicidality don't seem to discriminate based on one's circumstances or privilege.

 

[BlackEyedDog]

as an aside, iirc, it's been found that people from developing countries are happier on average.

This is quite the sweeping statement. Some places maybe yes, some places maybe no.
In fact this one random data poll says otherwise on average. Not saying it's completely accurate either.

"Self-reported life satisfaction tends to correlate with other measures of well-being—richer and healthier countries tend to have higher average happiness scores. (More on this in the section below.)"​

 

[affirmatice]

Ultimately depression/suicide can almost always be summed up as this.

The life you're living is not the one you expect of yourself and not the one you're happy with.

Sounds obvious. But it explains why I don't like the argument that people have it worse, therefore you should be happy. Because people have different expectations of themselves and their life - and that's not something that's easily changed.

A person who grew up uneducated, might be super happy to go to a community college. Whereas someone who was always smart and put a lot of pressure on themselves, might be super depressed if they don't get into that top 1% college.

My life is not the worse. Yet, my expectations for myself are extremely high. And I have permanently failed to reach those expectations. That's why I'm here. Would I be happier if I let go of those expectations? Sure. But I don't see how that's possible

 

[NoPoint2Life]

The title of your thread is very true for me. I always feel bad when I see users who mention being in a Third World country as one of their problems. It makes such a difference where you were born. It's hard to fathom.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Yeah, some people do have issues worse than ours but that doesn't mean that our issues aren't valid. Our issues are definitely still valid even if other people have it worse. Otherwise we'd just end up in a long but finite regression of where all of our pity must be directed towards the one sentient being who has had it the worst. Additionally, we have a different tolerance for suffering

 

[dontwakemeup]

I maybe be wrong, so forgive me if I am. Last I checked Japan had the highest suicide rates. They have a suicide Forrest where they go to die. It's actually a great documentary if anyone needs a good watch. They basis for suicide is the success rate for one is so high that those (who we would consider successful) don't feel they meet the criteria, as a result often commit suicide.
My point is, suicide is the choice when people are hopeless. Depression/ suicide doesn't discriminate and having more money as we see doesn't matter.
I always say, whatever your reason is, is valid! It should not be in comparison to others but I clearly understand your comparison. Some countries may have less than us but are definitely happier without the stressors of the world.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

The suffering of others doesn't negate yours or make it less worthy of attention. Furthermore, just because someone is from a developed country, doesn't guarantee that they will be happy or content with their lives. I have met many people in poor economic conditions who are far happier than those with higher levels of wealth, and it usually boils down to the other conditions in their life such as social connections, health problems or lack thereof, working conditions, etc.

This line of thinking I believe is meant to instill gratitude in those of us who have more, but comparison is the thief of joy. There is no use speculating about what a stranger in another country is feeling when you are dealing with your own problems right here and right now, and everyone is wired differently with unique genetics and biology that will dictate their reactions to their environment.

I will say, I know a refugee who moved from a war-torn country to an advanced first world country and is very unhappy, wants to go home. There are also a lot of economic migrants who seek a better life elsewhere but end up lonely or without a support network, so there is often an element of sacrifice involved, and it might not always pay off.

Everyone is different, so don't think your pain is any lesser just because you had certain economic privledges. Mental pain doesn't discriminate.