Coming back from suicide (Near Death Experience)

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

I found this on YT and wanna share it

 

[JoeFailure]

I think anything is possible...but I just don't understand how the world could be the way it is if there's an all-powerful and all-loving God.

I've always hoped that if there is a God and we meet them, they're someone who has power but not to change anything here. My version of a God would kind of be a stoner hippie who if I asked them why they can't or didn't change anything here, they'd be like "I don't know how, brother. But you're done with it, go grab a drink and relax".

 

[Zappfe lover]

I think anything is possible...but I just don't understand how the world could be the way it is if there's an all-powerful and all-loving God.

I've always hoped that if there is a God and we meet them, they're someone who has power but not to change anything here. My version of a God would kind of be a stoner hippie who if I asked them why they can't or didn't change anything here, they'd be like "I don't know how, brother. But you're done with it, go grab a drink and relax".

If there is a God, he probably is—as the Cathars have said—the Demiurge.

 

[happy?1270]

that hair tho

 

[Brick In The Wall]

I've been reading about NDEs and OBEs for years. I've specifically been focusing on ones related to suicide attempts over the past year.

I've found that roughly 90% of all of these experiences have been positive regardless of whether it was a CTB attempt or not.

Here is a great resource for anyone who'd like to read personal stories/accounts. They have a large amount of CTB related ones as well.

NDERF Home Page

Near Death Experience Research Foundation the largest collection of Near Death Experiences (NDE) in over 23 Languages. With thousands of full-text near death experiences posted. Share your near death experience, research, spiritually transforming events, consciousness studies, extensive...

www.nderf.org

 

[Dude1983]

ITs a g

I think anything is possible...but I just don't understand how the world could be the way it is if there's an all-powerful and all-loving God.

I've always hoped that if there is a God and we meet them, they're someone who has power but not to change anything here. My version of a God would kind of be a stoner hippie who if I asked them why they can't or didn't change anything here, they'd be like "I don't know how, brother. But you're done with it, go grab a drink and relax".

its a game where "no pain no gain" rules.

and from my point of view its like u said "grab a drink and relax", bu in this case , the happiness is brought by the death, u dont even need to ask him to give it to u, just take it. The thing is the low value of this life (i mean reality is in afterlife, not now), people does exactly the opposite, which brings nothing but desperation.

If u give this life any value, u are fuked up because u are eventually going to loose everything. My point of view is that after deathm complete happiness is achieved, going deeper i think u become God itself , so why u should care about anything? Just care about not suffering much in this illusion

My Bibliografy is lots of NDE, and lot of pgysical pain during lot of time

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

I can only speak of my experience, and I don't claim to have all the answers, but I personally don't believe that anything comes after.

As a child, I managed to jump into an adult swimming pool without my parents noticing, and was under the water for some minutes before anyone realised. Long story short, I drowned, and my heart stopped. I was resuscitated, hence how I'm here to tell you about it, but had been clinically dead for a short period. I remember it all vividly, even now.

I remember feeling immensely peaceful whilst on the bottom of the pool, there was no panic whatsoever. And then there was just darkness. No bright lights, no life flashing before my eyes or anything like that. Pure darkness. And then I woke up in an ambulance. Take from that what you will

 

[lifeisbutadream]

I've been reading about NDEs and OBEs for years. I've specifically been focusing on ones related to suicide attempts over the past year.

I've found that roughly 90% of all of these experiences have been positive regardless of whether it was a CTB attempt or not.

Here is a great resource for anyone who'd like to read personal stories/accounts. They have a large amount of CTB related ones as well.

NDERF Home Page

Near Death Experience Research Foundation the largest collection of Near Death Experiences (NDE) in over 23 Languages. With thousands of full-text near death experiences posted. Share your near death experience, research, spiritually transforming events, consciousness studies, extensive...

www.nderf.org

I read the NDE of Melinda G on your linked website (which i knew about before). Quite awesome.

Melinda G NDE 9029

7/13/2020 At some point, a veil lifted. I was drawn into a long, dark tunnel that had a very bright, white light that was shining love. I could hear harps and saw my great uncle Harry Ed and Aunt Vickie. I was in total bliss and happiness. I was home. I didn't want to go back. I had a life...

www.nderf.org

PS i find your avatar disturbing

 

[lotus11]

she looks like miss Trunchbull.

Who knows, can't really trust some story you hear on youtube can you?

 

[JoeFailure]

I can only speak of my experience, and I don't claim to have all the answers, but I personally don't believe that anything comes after.

As a child, I managed to jump into an adult swimming pool without my parents noticing, and was under the water for some minutes before anyone realised. Long story short, I drowned, and my heart stopped. I was resuscitated, hence how I'm here to tell you about it, but had been clinically dead for a short period. I remember it all vividly, even now.

I remember feeling immensely peaceful whilst on the bottom of the pool, there was no panic whatsoever. And then there was just darkness. No bright lights, no life flashing before my eyes or anything like that. Pure darkness. And then I woke up in an ambulance. Take from that what you will

I'm curious to when people say it was "darkness". Was it a perceived darkness, like you can tell it was dark? Or were you just gone, and you only perceived it as that when you woke up? Because obviously you can't perceive "nothingness" in the moment, only when you wake up after it.

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

I'm curious to when people say it was "darkness". Was it a perceived darkness, like you can tell it was dark? Or were you just gone, and you only perceived it as that when you woke up? Because obviously you can't perceive "nothingness" in the moment, only when you wake up after it.

That's a very good question. The best I can describe it would be like a dreamless sleep. Just an absence of anything.

 

[BridgeJumper]

Jumped off a bridge and drowned. No NDE. A little bit of panicked struggling, then some kind of calm washing over me, thinking to myself 'Ill just go to sleep in this river' and... nothing. Until I woke up to people screaming and somebody slapping me repeatedly, trying to get me to wake up. No memories of anything whatsoever. No white light, no God.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I kinda died once, it's very hard to describe, best I can say is it's an absence of time. Like you go to sleep (no dreams) and wake up not knowing the time.
I posted a thread here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/hi-i-died-for-3-days-technical-coma-6bpm-hr-ama.32992/

 

[Deleted member 17949]

Man that's crazy

 

[DeadButDreaming]

The thing about NDEs is that they are culture specific. I found a study which reported that NDEs in India involve the gods they worship. Here in the West they involve Christ.

Are we to believe all these gods co-exist in the sky?

I'm aware of 2 cases of NDE of famous folk, that of Phil Anselmo and Kerry Packer. Both reported seeing nothing. I'm sure the majority of people who temporarily "die" report seeing nothing. Those who do see something are probably in a state akin to dreaming. I believe there has been a study which found that those who report NDE involving an afterlife are prone to early REM sleep.

 

[Dude1983]

I understand u are so mind closed, because God likes to try everything...there´s people who are blessed with NDE and theres people that don´t, because if everyone that goes unconscious, not dead (cuz u would not be here discussing with me), had an NDE, then everyone would know what happends when u die, and the world would not be the way it is, which is not an error, the same way that world would not be same, if no1 get sick, or die, it would not may be even possible .

 

[JoeFailure]

I understand u are so mind closed, because God likes to try everything...there´s people who are blessed with NDE and theres people that don´t, because if everyone that goes unconscious, not dead (cuz u would not be here discussing with me), had an NDE, then everyone would know what happends when u die, and the world would not be the way it is, which is not an error, the same way that world would not be same, if no1 get sick, or die, it would not may be even possible .

Can I ask what your stance on a God is? The hardest part for me is if they are aware of all of the suffering and even just watches people who for example are on this website and just doesn't help or even watches things get worse for them. Obviously that goes for the dawn of humanity and all of the atrocities that have always taken place.

 

[Dude1983]

God is the addition of all the consciousness, in the present past and future, like when u die, u become God, then u remember all lifes, not just yours, including animals life etc..they have a consciousness too..

Then imagine u are God, where all around you is love and happyness and perfectness everywhere, then u are so happy and u feel so damn good, and great, that u decide to create a game to put a price, to recreate, to praise, that happyness and that love (that u know its free forever for u and for everyone)...Well, that price is the Pain.

That makes us great beings, yes...but who is more great, sick and painfulled man who fights pain for their parents or a sane Dog?

Animals are so defenseless, they come here to make their part like that sick man, but i think they are so disvantaged, from my point of view, but may be theres some hormone that makes them ultrahappy just by bitting a bone.

 

[MYStERY_Man]

The thing about NDEs is that they are culture specific. I found a study which reported that NDEs in India involve the gods they worship. Here in the West they involve Christ.

Are we to believe all these gods co-exist in the sky?

I'm aware of 2 cases of NDE of famous folk, that of Phil Anselmo and Kerry Packer. Both reported seeing nothing. I'm sure the majority of people who temporarily "die" report seeing nothing. Those who do see something are probably in a state akin to dreaming. I believe there has been a study which found that those who report NDE involving an afterlife are prone to early REM sleep.

I don't know if you're aware of Strassman's hypothesis of DMT being released in death (in DMT: The Spirit Molecule). It's been gaining some ground in the past few years.

A study found DMT the brain of rats, and an increase in its concentration in their visual cortex following cardiac arrest: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w

When it comes to humans, there's been two studies in the last 2 years which traced similarities between DMT experiences and NDE reports.

One by the Imperial College of London: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01424/full

Another by the John Hopkins School of Medicine: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0269881120916143

Seems promising.

Now, "spiritual" people tend to glorify the molecule, claiming it's capable of opening a gateway into another dimension and it would be responsible for guiding our souls over there when we die.

I'd say this interpretation is wholly incompatible with natural selection, and, if the observation in rats does end up applying to us, then it's much more likely that DMT simply plays a role in our cognition and needs to be regulated down so that we're not tripping all the time. Dying would make this system fail and cause the reported effects.

 

[Soul]

I found a study which reported that NDEs in India involve the gods they worship. Here in the West they involve Christ.

Even though I'm Jewish?!

I read an article once about some research into NDEs and the very high frequency of lovely meadowland settings in what people from assorted cultures described. The Christian bible refers to a "city of God" in the afterlife, and to a house and mansions. So where is this meadow imagery coming from? The Garden of Eden? Something from Greek culture? Something older than that?

 

[ARW3N]

The thing about NDEs is that they are culture specific. I found a study which reported that NDEs in India involve the gods they worship. Here in the West they involve Christ.

Are we to believe all these gods co-exist in the sky?

I'm aware of 2 cases of NDE of famous folk, that of Phil Anselmo and Kerry Packer. Both reported seeing nothing. I'm sure the majority of people who temporarily "die" report seeing nothing. Those who do see something are probably in a state akin to dreaming. I believe there has been a study which found that those who report NDE involving an afterlife are prone to early REM sleep.

I've experienced an NDE and so has my father. Our experiences were very different despite having the same Catholic backgrounds. I was a practising Buddhist at the time of my experience which was a nirvanic, oceanic experience without Indian gods or Christ. My father's experience consisted chiefly of meeting with dead relatives in a meadow who told him to return to life, but he still frames it in a Catholic context. I think it's a bit of both religions sourcing their ideas from these experiences and projecting their images onto them. I don't treat these as evidential post-mortem experiences because for that to be the case we would have to have been truly dead and return from the cemetery or crematorium.

 

[ARW3N]

Even though I'm Jewish?!

I read an article once about some research into NDEs and the very high frequency of lovely meadowland settings in what people from assorted cultures described. The Christian bible refers to a "city of God" in the afterlife, and to a house and mansions. So where is this meadow imagery coming from? The Garden of Eden? Something from Greek culture? Something older than that?

I've had an NDE and so has my father. His NDE consisted of the lovely meadowland setting that you mention whilst my experience didn't. Strangely enough, I've had dreams, but not an NDE, of these pristine white houses and mansions you mention. I think it's a bit of both religions borrowing from these dreamscapes and projecting their images onto them. What really freaked me out was when someone on TV years ago painted a picture of her NDE meadowland setting and another person who had an NDE said in shock that was the exact place she went to! Another thing which totally freaked me out was when my father casually mentioned how the idea of people giving flowers at funerals originates from these NDE meadowland settings.

 

[Soul]

I've had an NDE and so has my father. His NDE consisted of the lovely meadowland setting that you mention whilst my experience didn't. Strangely enough, I've had dreams, but not an NDE, of these pristine white houses and mansions you mention. I think it's a bit of both religions borrowing from these dreamscapes and projecting their images onto them. What really freaked me out was when someone on TV years ago painted a picture of her NDE meadowland setting and another person who had an NDE said in shock that was the exact place she went to! Another thing which totally freaked me out was when my father casually mentioned how the idea of people giving flowers at funerals originates from these NDE meadowland settings.

Someone around here recently posted a lot of biblical references, including one that said that after some time in Sheol, souls go to Eden, which (if it were a lot better known than it is) could be taken as a source of the widespread meadowy scenario in NDEs. But I don't think it *is* very well known, and it sounds like a relatively late and rather contrived addition to Jewish lore (if it's part of Jewish lore at all). I'll see if I can locate that post ...
Here it is, inside the spoiler thing:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/afterlife.41904/post-766507

And @ARW3N, that's very interesting about flowers at funerals representing that meadow scenery. I quite like the idea of customs reflecting NDEs; I wonder how that would relate to the Jewish custom of leaving stones on graves, not flowers.