Method Combining CO and SN methods

[faust]

Hello!

Trying to figure out if these two methods are compatible and mutually reinforcing.

1) CO changes oxyhemoglobin to carboxyhemoglobin and SN changes to methemoglobin.
Do carboxyhemoglobin and methemoglobin replace each other or just replace oxyhemoglobin?

2) Can CO trigger vomiting when SN was ingested 5-10 minutes ago ?

3) Is SN effective if we start from a CO and a minute later drink SN? Or maybe it would be a good idea to use an oxygen mask, wait till the concentration of CO is more than 10000 ppm, drink SN, then remove the mask and wait for the best to come?

What would be your opinion on the subject?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

See the chart that's been added multiple times to the CO thread that shows what symptoms correlate to PPM. Nausea and/or vomiting can be symptoms, but please verify that with the chart.

I really like option 3 with the oxygen mask.

Edit: will probably have to drink SN with a straw, then remove mask.

 

[faust]

@GoodPersonEffed Yes, I have studied multiple researches, but we don't know if antiemetics are capable of stopping two substances potentially causing nausea. Well, the thing I would like to know is whether these two substances acting together double the probability of throwing up or the feeling would be the same as if we are exposed to a single substance.

Concerning the straw, I think it is a necessary measure if only SN is impossible to drink in one go. Even if a single inhale will be made, it won't lead to a constant loss of consciousness so I guess the mask can be put on after drinking.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

It depends on how you want to approach it.

SN acts slowly for some and rapidly for others.

CO, if the PPM is high enough, will act in seconds.

Personally, I'd not want to feel any effects of SN. I'd want to die peacefully due to a high concentration of CO and have SN as a backup.

If I were using a tent or a car, I would leave the CO meter inside and watch the PPM level build up to whatever max it can reach. Then I'd enter wearing the oxygen mask and carrying the prepared SN, and close the door. I'd wait for the PPM to go back up to max, sip the SN with a straw, and take off the mask. Then, even if the CO didn't kill me immediately, I'd hope to be unconscious for the effects of SN. I might even lie on my back to encourage choking if I vomited, since I wouldn't be conscious for it.

 

[Aap]

Maybe try an exit bag plus SN? Certainly faster.

 

[faust]

@GoodPersonEffed I would avoid ventilating a small space at any cost. I think the better idea would be to stay inside with an oxygen flow monitoring the concentration before it exceeds 10k ppm. Otherwise we may lose a part of CO. Well, I mean a very small space like a tent.
I don't want to feel the effects of SN too, because my stomach may let me down. I barely eat and when I do, I do not feel well sometimes. Considering this, taking SN becomes risky for me and I am thinking about combination. Plus I won't have another chance.

@Aap Exit bag requires a certain time span from purchasing to delivery. I will have to be ready every single moment.

 

[autumnal]

Hello!

Trying to figure out if these two methods are compatible and mutually reinforcing.

1) CO changes oxyhemoglobin to carboxyhemoglobin and SN changes to methemoglobin.
Do carboxyhemoglobin and methemoglobin replace each other or just replace oxyhemoglobin?

2) Can CO trigger vomiting when SN was ingested 5-10 minutes ago ?

3) Is SN effective if we start from a CO and a minute later drink SN? Or maybe it would be a good idea to use an oxygen mask, wait till the concentration of CO is more than 10000 ppm, drink SN, then remove the mask and wait for the best to come?

What would be your opinion on the subject?

I would firstly take a step back and ask why you feel the need to combine these two methods in the first place. They are both very reliable on their own (especially SN), and as you have realised, combining them does lead to more complexity and uncertainty.

 

[a.h]

Hello!

Trying to figure out if these two methods are compatible and mutually reinforcing.

1) CO changes oxyhemoglobin to carboxyhemoglobin and SN changes to methemoglobin.
Do carboxyhemoglobin and methemoglobin replace each other or just replace oxyhemoglobin?

2) Can CO trigger vomiting when SN was ingested 5-10 minutes ago ?

3) Is SN effective if we start from a CO and a minute later drink SN? Or maybe it would be a good idea to use an oxygen mask, wait till the concentration of CO is more than 10000 ppm, drink SN, then remove the mask and wait for the best to come?

What would be your opinion on the subject?

If you have 10000ppm of CO you are knocked out after few breaths and pass in minutes. No need for the SN.