Venting Cognitive behavioral therapy is a load of old codswallop

[KillingPain267]

After analysing 70 studies conducted between 1977 and 2014, researchers Tom Johnsen and Oddgeir Friborg concluded that CBT is roughly half as effective in treating depression as it used to be.

The early publicity around CBT made it seem a miracle cure, so maybe it functioned like one for a while. Our expectations have become more realistic, so effectiveness has fallen, too. Johnsen and Friborg worry that their own paper will make matters worse by further lowering people's expectations.

It's just placebo. Save yourself the time, effort and money and take a walk, convincing yourself that walking cures your mental pain and then it does cure your mental pain, lol.

 

[BoulderSoWhat]

Oh look, more than one study exists on the subject...

"Research on CBT has evolved over time. The quality of studies has improved, which can be seen from the increasing number of trials with low risk of bias, the decrease in the use of waitlist control groups, and the increase in sample sizes of included studies. The number of treatment sessions has significantly decreased over the years. In a meta‐regression analysis, we could not confirm that the effect size of CBT has decreased over time, as was suggested in an earlier study 37 .

The findings of this study should be considered in the light of some limitations. First, heterogeneity was high in many analyses, and subgroup and meta‐regression analyses could not identify all sources of this heterogeneity, suggesting that there are differences between trials that cannot be explained by the extracted characteristics. Second, risk of bias was high in many of the included trials, and the effect sizes of the trials with low risk of bias were significantly lower in some of the analyses. Fortunately, the number of studies was so large that we could examine outcomes in subsets of trials with low risk of bias. Finally, we found indications of publication bias in many analyses, although several findings remained robust after correcting for this bias.

We can conclude that CBT is effective in the treatment of depression with a moderate to large effect size, and that its effect is still significant up to 12 months. The superiority of CBT over other psychotherapies does not emerge clearly from this meta‐analysis. CBT appears to be as effective as pharmacotherapies at the short term, but more effective at the longer term. Combined treatment appears to be superior to pharmacotherapy alone but not to CBT alone. The efficacy of CBT in depression is documented across different delivery formats, ages, target groups, and settings."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9840507/

 

[KillingPain267]

Oh look, more than one study exists on the subject...

"Research on CBT has evolved over time. The quality of studies has improved, which can be seen from the increasing number of trials with low risk of bias, the decrease in the use of waitlist control groups, and the increase in sample sizes of included studies. The number of treatment sessions has significantly decreased over the years. In a meta‐regression analysis, we could not confirm that the effect size of CBT has decreased over time, as was suggested in an earlier study 37 .

The findings of this study should be considered in the light of some limitations. First, heterogeneity was high in many analyses, and subgroup and meta‐regression analyses could not identify all sources of this heterogeneity, suggesting that there are differences between trials that cannot be explained by the extracted characteristics. Second, risk of bias was high in many of the included trials, and the effect sizes of the trials with low risk of bias were significantly lower in some of the analyses. Fortunately, the number of studies was so large that we could examine outcomes in subsets of trials with low risk of bias. Finally, we found indications of publication bias in many analyses, although several findings remained robust after correcting for this bias.

We can conclude that CBT is effective in the treatment of depression with a moderate to large effect size, and that its effect is still significant up to 12 months. The superiority of CBT over other psychotherapies does not emerge clearly from this meta‐analysis. CBT appears to be as effective as pharmacotherapies at the short term, but more effective at the longer term. Combined treatment appears to be superior to pharmacotherapy alone but not to CBT alone. The efficacy of CBT in depression is documented across different delivery formats, ages, target groups, and settings."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9840507/

What's even more effective than CBT is CTB, which has been found to be a permanent total cure for depression beyond 12 months

 

[Lost Magic]

It never worked for me either. I was told to go take walks as well. Now, I seldom go out and when I do I jump on my e-bike lol
But, seriously, some of them get paid ludicrous amounts of money just to state the obvious to people. It's insulting. I just take the bloody prozac and tell them to sod off with their gym memberships. I workout at home as I fucking can't stand the majority of people out there, all fake as fuck. They made me more anti-social with all their BS.
Take that you wankers!

Sorry, I'm a bit manic tonight lol

 

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What's even more effective than CBT is CTB, which has been found to be a permanent total cure for depression beyond 12 months

This was good for an lol... Thank you... I needed one of those.

Also, I'm not quite sure what "old codswallop" is... Somehow, I'm hoping I never find out.

 

[Reflection]

Anything that aims to make the patient find ways to live with the pain rather than kill the root of the issue will inevitably fail once said patient realizes its limitations and actual goals, after that it's up to them to decide whether they accept that type of "treatment" or not.

 

[BoulderSoWhat]

Of course, maybe everything is fake and we can't trust anything ever because humans are too lazy

Wiley to shutter 19 journals

Wiley, an academic publisher, has announced that it is closing 19 journals amid a massive influx of fake papers, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. The publisher has retracted more than 11,300 “compromised” studies over the past two years.

www.insidehighered.com

AI Tools Fuel Rise Of Fake Research Papers On Google Scholar

A team of Swedish researchers found 139 phony scientific papers had either used AI and not disclosed it or may have had sections or entire results faked using AI.

www.forbes.com

 

[KillingPain267]

Of course, maybe everything is fake and we can't trust anything ever because humans are too lazy

Wiley to shutter 19 journals

Wiley, an academic publisher, has announced that it is closing 19 journals amid a massive influx of fake papers, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. The publisher has retracted more than 11,300 “compromised” studies over the past two years.

www.insidehighered.com

AI Tools Fuel Rise Of Fake Research Papers On Google Scholar

A team of Swedish researchers found 139 phony scientific papers had either used AI and not disclosed it or may have had sections or entire results faked using AI.

www.forbes.com

Oh, that's interesting stuff. There is also the whole replication crisis in science (especially sociology and psychology). Some say pretty much ALL psychological studies cannot be replicated and psychology is at square one in what we can know for sure. But fake AI research papers is a whole new monster!

 

[mango-meridian]

Title of this thread is amazing. As an Americano "load of Codswallop" will be in my back pocket.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Therapy is just a temporary solution to a permanent problem.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

The early publicity around CBT made it seem a miracle cure, so maybe it functioned like one for a while.

Probably a big part of this is the fact that they've been pushing equating mental illness with physical illness, and the idea of a "cure" for a physical illness makes a lot more sense and is a lot more straightforward. Let's say you have an iron deficiency empirically detectable with technical tests. Then you're given iron supplements. You take the supplements. Now the technical tests show that you are cured of your disease.

It's a huge simplification, of course, but for NO so-called "mental illness" can you follow a procedure like this. You can't define an empirically valid, evidence-based solution to a problem that can't even be defined.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

CBT doesn't work for some people because their thoughts are realistic and not distortions. However, since this society is so pro life, they'll attribute realistic notions of reality as being a distortion when it really isn't. Talking about how there's so much suffering on earth as well as how cruel it is to be forced to be a wage slave is considered as a distortion to them yet wanting to be exploited as a wage slave is fine to them. It's actually absurd. The thing is that saying that "life is full of suffering" isn't my opinion or anybody's opinion, it's an empirical fact that can be proved by observing your surroundings. For those who acknowledge reality for what it is, CBT is useless