Chloroquine Method - Why or Why Not? Ancedotal Evidence Available?

[GoodPersonEffed]

I am leaning toward this method as I can get all supplies, it has higher reliability rating than SN, and has been used in assisted ctb. However, i have done a lot of research, even gotten a how-to book, but there is no anecdotal evidence. The effects are intense if one is still conscious when they happen, and I will be alone so there is no assistance if things go awry.

I have searched this site and it is clearly an unpopular method, with little attention in comparison to most other methods.

My questions are:

Can anyone direct me to anecdotal accounts of successes or failures, videos, etc?

If you are pro-chloroquine, what evidence leads you to consider this method as an option?

If you are anti-chloroquine, what evidence leads you to reject this method as an option?

If you want me to reconsider or explain my choice to ctb, would you please refrain from commenting? The above three questions are my only purposes for this thread.

Thank you.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

@NickStanfield You didn't type anything in your post. If you were bumping, thank you.



@SuiSqueeze92 Care to share any input? You mentioned the method in a thread, no one else ever does. If you don't want to comment, no pressure!

 

[NickStanfield]

Sorry about that - due to issues with the site, I was able to create a reply and post it but not type anything. Talk about feeling a little useless...

As to Chloroquine:


Can anyone direct me to anecdotal accounts of successes or failures, videos, etc?

I haven't been able to find first person accounts of successes or failures too often (success obviously are scarce). If you google chloroquine and suicide, there are some scholarly/medical articles. There's some solid information as to dosage necessary, as well as how small a dose has resulted in death at times. There's also some solidly documented treatment protocols as well. My primary take-away is that you'll need 30-50 mg per kg of body weight ( in my case, that's about 6 grams or 24 250mg tabs.) Typical time to death is between1 and 4 hours after ingestion, due to cardiac failure. I've added some videos and links below to references I've found on line.

https://dignifieddying.com/news/boudewijn-chabot-in-buitenhof/

Odisha: Mystery Shrouds Death Of Rayagada's Asst Collector, Family Alleges Suicide Due To Workload & Depression

His family members alleged that Panigrahi had been complaining of heavy workload and constant criticism by ADM Sudhakar Sabar. However, both the Collector and the ADM have denied the allegations and have said that Panigrahi might have taken the extreme step due to family issues.

www.ommcomnews.com

If you are pro-chloroquine, what evidence leads you to consider this method as an option?


From a pharmaceutical perspective, I think I would have considered N, SN or Chloroquine. N is hard to get with lots of challenges and opportunities for your efforts not to work. SN is a second option for me due to easy availability but chloroquine appeals to me in it's method of action. I have coronary artery disease, three stents to open blocked arteries, arrhythmia, an enlarged heart and several other cardiac related issues . I've had a heart attack and I've experience heart failure while wide awake. It sucked, but it wasn't the worst pain I've ever suffered. Dying of a "heart attack" will be seen as natural and it will allow many people to never understand the true situation. There will be speculation - there may be an autopsy with some conclusions but then again, I've been under a doctor's care for heart related issues since 2014.

I already have the chloroquine in hand (90 - 250mg tabs + 28 grams of powder which is just ridiculous overkill - literally) at this point). I've also worked diligently to get a nice stockpile of Klonopin, Ativan, Trazadone, Ambien, Meclazine and Mirtazapine. I know that the Ambien/Trazadone combo will knock me out at a prescribed strength, so if I double it and add the Mirtazapine, I'm down hard for at least 8 hours or more. The Klonopin and Atavan will take the edge right off and help eliminate the last elements of survival instinct (along with a few tasty beverages). Meclazine is the best I have as far as an anti-emetic goes but I've got an iron stomach, so I'm not terribly worried about that.

My intent is to have a long deep sleep from which I don't return from.

Happy answer anything else you might be curious about...

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Sorry about that - due to issues with the site, I was able to create a reply and post it but not type anything. Talk about feeling a little useless...

As to Chloroquine:


Can anyone direct me to anecdotal accounts of successes or failures, videos, etc?

I haven't been able to find first person accounts of successes or failures too often (success obviously are scarce). If you google chloroquine and suicide, there are some scholarly/medical articles. There's some solid information as to dosage necessary, as well as how small a dose has resulted in death at times. There's also some solidly documented treatment protocols as well. My primary take-away is that you'll need 30-50 mg per kg of body weight ( in my case, that's about 6 grams or 24 250mg tabs.) Typical time to death is between1 and 4 hours after ingestion, due to cardiac failure. I've added some videos and links below to references I've found on line.

https://dignifieddying.com/news/boudewijn-chabot-in-buitenhof/

Odisha: Mystery Shrouds Death Of Rayagada's Asst Collector, Family Alleges Suicide Due To Workload & Depression

His family members alleged that Panigrahi had been complaining of heavy workload and constant criticism by ADM Sudhakar Sabar. However, both the Collector and the ADM have denied the allegations and have said that Panigrahi might have taken the extreme step due to family issues.

www.ommcomnews.com

If you are pro-chloroquine, what evidence leads you to consider this method as an option?


From a pharmaceutical perspective, I think I would have considered N, SN or Chloroquine. N is hard to get with lots of challenges and opportunities for your efforts not to work. SN is a second option for me due to easy availability but chloroquine appeals to me in it's method of action. I have coronary artery disease, three stents to open blocked arteries, arrhythmia, an enlarged heart and several other cardiac related issues . I've had a heart attack and I've experience heart failure while wide awake. It sucked, but it wasn't the worst pain I've ever suffered. Dying of a "heart attack" will be seen as natural and it will allow many people to never understand the true situation. There will be speculation - there may be an autopsy with some conclusions but then again, I've been under a doctor's care for heart related issues since 2014.

I already have the chloroquine in hand (90 - 250mg tabs + 28 grams of powder which is just ridiculous overkill - literally) at this point). I've also worked diligently to get a nice stockpile of Klonopin, Ativan, Trazadone, Ambien, Meclazine and Mirtazapine. I know that the Ambien/Trazadone combo will knock me out at a prescribed strength, so if I double it and add the Mirtazapine, I'm down hard for at least 8 hours or more. The Klonopin and Atavan will take the edge right off and help eliminate the last elements of survival instinct (along with a few tasty beverages). Meclazine is the best I have as far as an anti-emetic goes but I've got an iron stomach, so I'm not terribly worried about that.

My intent is to have a long deep sleep from which I don't return from.

Happy answer anything else you might be curious about...

Thank you for this thorough and thoughtful reply.

I think it would be an excellent first post for a chloroquine resource mega thread.
(Attn: @Marquis @SinisterKid )

As I indicated in the OP, I am persuaded that this is a better method than SN. I can get the chloroquine and many of the other meds OTC in the country where I reside. It is logistically simpler for me than N, or SN and the testing kit.

I will go through the resources you shared and respond here with any questions or comments.

Again, thank you. Whether you choose to ctb or live, and also for now, I wish you success, comfort, and peace.

 

[BPD Barbie]

Not gonna lie, this thread literally got me going "huh", in a thoughtful way. This had never crossed my mind. Overdose is usually fatal according to wikipedia, people usually die within 2.5 hours. I just looked online as well, not hard to come by at all. Deffo going to keep an eye on this thread and see if anyone else has further information.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Not gonna lie, this thread literally got me going "huh", in a thoughtful way. This had never crossed my mind. Overdose is usually fatal according to wikipedia, people usually die within 2.5 hours. I just looked online as well, not hard to come by at all. Deffo going to keep an eye on this thread and see if anyone else has further information.

Do you have any thoughts on this method from your training and experience as an EMT?

Deffo going to keep an eye on this thread and see if anyone else has further information.

I've searched on this site and there isn't much enthusiasm in general, seems the majority of focus after N is on SN.

I did a search of chloroquine on the Final Exit site, the only mention is a comment on a blog about helium, to which the author replied about effects in mixing it with other drugs and not recommending it. @NickStanfield, might be worth it to read up on the method in the book Final Exit since you're considering combining with other meds.

jameshb says:
August 11, 2018 at 7:13 am
hello there
i read your chapter on chloroquine and you seem to say that a failure could lead to permanent blindness and deafness.
in a country where it is still currently available without prescription, but is being phased out, is there any reason to keep some,or do the horrible side effects mentioned above, that accompany a failure, outweigh the worthlessness of having some of this as a fallback measure?

ergo says:
August 11, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Re chloroquine: I don't think it was me who spoke of 'blindness and deafness'.
I have written that sometimes when this drug is taken along with some other drugs it does have a bad reaction and does not become lethal. So not advised.


A resource I have is the ebook Self-Determined Dying: Manual for a Rational Suicide by Chloroquine, by German author Jessica Düber. However, it's actually a short version of the 2017 book of that title sans "chloroquine." It's a how-to guide that focuses only on the chloroquine method and skips theoretical and other discussions. The book is very short, lists all needed for the method and how to do it. I borrowed it for free with Kindle Unlimited but I recall it's very cheap, around $5 USD. She says that for assisted in Europe, chloroquine has the most use and evidence following N.

Here are the meds needed:

Metoclopramide 40mg
Chloroquine (phosphate) 25g
25g Diazepam - solution 1000mg

The book lists the order of meds, how and when to take them. She specifically mentions liquid Diazepam but I am so far only able to find pills, so I will have to figure out a workaround, maybe crush, dissolve in water and drink.

PPeH recommends 50 pills, usually comes in 20 pills/blister pack. I need to go back and verify that this was the amount recommended though.

EDIT: A caveat, I cannot find the original title she claimed to have published in 2017, the one that doesn't have chloroquine in the title. She claims that title has all the theoretical and medical info. There is another short book for helium. She's published some other fiction titles. Without the references for medical studies, I am skeptical about her authority as an author, so will compare to the protocol in PPeH.