Cerbera odollam / pong seeds

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Hello! I'm new here.

I'm wondering whether anyone has thought about using pong seeds / cerbera odollam seeds. This is my preferred method for now (well, Nembutal is, and I'm working on that, but I'm not sure whether I'll be able to access it).

Pong seeds are commonly used for suicide in SE Asia. I've been reading about them for more than a year, digging up info, and it seems that it's most effective to grind them up. If I go through with this, I'll be taking 4 1/4 seeds (one of them wasn't whole). The pong (or 'pong pong') dried plants are cheap on eBay. Just a single seed can be lethal, but I recently ordered 3 for $11.90.

In this 2018 study, a 50% success rate is reported amongst U.S. cases collected by researchers. That is very high for poisoning. Also, 2 of them used 1 seed, 2 used 2 seeds, and 2 used an unknown quantity. I would think the success probability could be strengthened by using 2+ seeds (they're cheap, why not), and making sure to grind them. And probably also using an anti-emetic first, to keep from throwing up, as apparently they can cause nausea and vomiting. (delightful)

Here's that study:
http://www.fresno.ucsf.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1.Pong-Pong-Seeds.pdf

Has anyone else considered this? Of all the accessible methods I've researched, this one seems the most promising (in terms of success rate, and something I'd have the courage to do).

The second most promising would seem to be iron poisoning - I'v calculated I'd need just two small bottles of small ferrous sulphate pills - but that doesn't seem to be discussed anywhere, either. Granted, iron poisoning would obliterate your insides if you survive, but there seems to be a high risk of fatality.

 

[Deadinside24]

From what I've seen, pong seeds isn't too reliable and a pretty awful way to go. Iron I looked into before because that's easy to do but I'm not sure on the reliability of it and from the symptoms it caused I backed out of it.

 

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From what I've read, it seems like it's just likely to be up to perhaps 6 hours of nausea, maybe vomiting. Obviously not delightful, but what method is? (apart from Nembutal.) I would combine it with an anti-emetic.

Yeah, if the iron doesn't work, I think it would cause real disability. It causes scarring in your stomach and intestines. The hope is that it would just be fatal, of course.

I'm also in contact with the Swiss organizations, since I have a diagnosed psychiatric illness, but I'm afraid I won't be able to afford them.

 

[Deadinside24]

That may be true. I'd check out some other methods first. They can be a lot more peaceful than that.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Nembutal if you can afford it. Sodium nitrite poor man's peaceful pill.

 

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I would definitely prefer Nembutal! I anticipate some hours of suffering with pong seeds, unlike with N.

 

[Marz]

Hello! I'm new here.

I'm wondering whether anyone has thought about using pong seeds / cerbera odollam seeds. This is my preferred method for now (well, Nembutal is, and I'm working on that, but I'm not sure whether I'll be able to access it).

Pong seeds are commonly used for suicide in SE Asia. I've been reading about them for more than a year, digging up info, and it seems that it's most effective to grind them up. If I go through with this, I'll be taking 4 1/4 seeds (one of them wasn't whole). The pong (or 'pong pong') dried plants are cheap on eBay. Just a single seed can be lethal, but I recently ordered 3 for $11.90.

In this 2018 study, a 50% success rate is reported amongst U.S. cases collected by researchers. That is very high for poisoning. Also, 2 of them used 1 seed, 2 used 2 seeds, and 2 used an unknown quantity. I would think the success probability could be strengthened by using 2+ seeds (they're cheap, why not), and making sure to grind them. And probably also using an anti-emetic first, to keep from throwing up, as apparently they can cause nausea and vomiting. (delightful)

Here's that study:
http://www.fresno.ucsf.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1.Pong-Pong-Seeds.pdf

Has anyone else considered this? Of all the accessible methods I've researched, this one seems the most promising (in terms of success rate, and something I'd have the courage to do).

The second most promising would seem to be iron poisoning - I'v calculated I'd need just two small bottles of small ferrous sulphate pills - but that doesn't seem to be discussed anywhere, either. Granted, iron poisoning would obliterate your insides if you survive, but there seems to be a high risk of fatality.

Can you link the page from which you purchased it? I'm interested ngl

 

[Steve]

I tried. I survived. I think it's because my friend called the cops on me. Pretty pissed. I shld have taken an anti-emetic. I threw in some Valium in the mix so I'd be asleep when it all happens.

 

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I tried. I survived. I think it's because my friend called the cops on me. Pretty pissed. I shld have taken an anti-emetic. I threw in some Valium in the mix so I'd be asleep when it all happens.

I'm really sorry. Did you throw up? How long before you were treated? How many did you take? Did you grind them up? Have you suffered any after-effects?

 

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Can you link the page from which you purchased it? I'm interested ngl

I got them from this seller:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-x-100-Na...967595?hash=item3d712fde6b:g:9ekAAOSwtLxbfEI7

It took about 2 1/2 weeks to arrive. I had to sign for it (US).

Like SN, it's an affordable method.

From my research, my suggestions are:

- Take 2 to 3 seeds, to be safe (1 may be a lethal dose)
- Grind them up. (I would put the powder in a drink like a small amount of almond milk blended with half a banana and sweetener - personally.)
- Take an anti-emetic like metoclopramide, as vomiting is likely.

 

[Steve]

I'm really sorry. Did you throw up? How long before you were treated? How many did you take? Did you grind them up? Have you suffered any after-effects?

3 kernels along with sleeping pills. Was like 3-4 hrs before I was treated. Yes, I ground them up, it was more of a paste than a powder. For the dried specimen you've displayed, the paste is stringy and bitter. Fresh ones have a more jelly-like to liquid consistency much like a coconut.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I got them from this seller:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-x-100-Na...967595?hash=item3d712fde6b:g:9ekAAOSwtLxbfEI7

It took about 2 1/2 weeks to arrive. I had to sign for it (US).

Like SN, it's an affordable method.

From my research, my suggestions are:

- Take 2 to 3 seeds, to be safe (1 may be a lethal dose)
- Grind them up. (I would put the powder in a drink like a small amount of almond milk blended with half a banana and sweetener - personally.)
- Take an anti-emetic like metoclopramide, as vomiting is likely.

Scopolamine (two tablets of buscopan or 10-20 datura inoxia seeds) would be more effective as vomiting and other gastrointestinal symptoms are due to increased vagal tone.

 

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3 kernels along with sleeping pills. Was like 3-4 hrs before I was treated. Yes, I ground them up, it was more of a paste than a powder. For the dried specimen you've displayed, the paste is stringy and bitter. Fresh ones have a more jelly-like to liquid consistency much like a coconut.

Thank you for the intel. Yes, I believe they're eaten fresh in South Asia, where the plants grow. I know at least one US case (resulting in death) used a dried seed bought online. I surmise that other US cases I've read about used dried seeds also, just based on availability. Fresh sounds much more pleasant.

The bitterness is why I'd mix it with a sweet drink. I've also read about it being mixed with curries, though I don't know if the food would interfere.

I'm sorry that the method was unsuccessful for you! I'd be mainly afraid of it causing hair loss if it didn't work.

 

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Scopolamine (two tablets of buscopan or 10-20 datura inoxia seeds) would be more effective as vomiting and other gastrointestinal symptoms are due to increased vagal tone.

I will look into that, thank you.

 

[Steve]

Thank you for the intel. Yes, I believe they're eaten fresh in South Asia, where the plants grow. I know at least one US case (resulting in death) used a dried seed bought online. I surmise that other US cases I've read about used dried seeds also, just based on availability. Fresh sounds much more pleasant.

The bitterness is why I'd mix it with a sweet drink. I've also read about it being mixed with curries, though I don't know if the food would interfere.

I'm sorry that the method was unsuccessful for you! I'd be mainly afraid of it causing hair loss if it didn't work.

No permanent side effects after.

 

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No permanent side effects after.

That's great to hear! I'm glad you were OK after.

 

[purplemoon]

From what I've read, it seems like it's just likely to be up to perhaps 6 hours of nausea, maybe vomiting. Obviously not delightful, but what method is? (apart from Nembutal.) I would combine it with an anti-emetic.

Yeah, if the iron doesn't work, I think it would cause real disability. It causes scarring in your stomach and intestines. The hope is that it would just be fatal, of course.

I'm also in contact with the Swiss organizations, since I have a diagnosed psychiatric illness, but I'm afraid I won't be able to afford them.

hi i'm considering pong pong seeds...
did you ever try them?

 

[Sahil]

Hello! I'm new here.

I'm wondering whether anyone has thought about using pong seeds / cerbera odollam seeds. This is my preferred method for now (well, Nembutal is, and I'm working on that, but I'm not sure whether I'll be able to access it).

Pong seeds are commonly used for suicide in SE Asia. I've been reading about them for more than a year, digging up info, and it seems that it's most effective to grind them up. If I go through with this, I'll be taking 4 1/4 seeds (one of them wasn't whole). The pong (or 'pong pong') dried plants are cheap on eBay. Just a single seed can be lethal, but I recently ordered 3 for $11.90.

In this 2018 study, a 50% success rate is reported amongst U.S. cases collected by researchers. That is very high for poisoning. Also, 2 of them used 1 seed, 2 used 2 seeds, and 2 used an unknown quantity. I would think the success probability could be strengthened by using 2+ seeds (they're cheap, why not), and making sure to grind them. And probably also using an anti-emetic first, to keep from throwing up, as apparently they can cause nausea and vomiting. (delightful)

Here's that study:
http://www.fresno.ucsf.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1.Pong-Pong-Seeds.pdf

Has anyone else considered this? Of all the accessible methods I've researched, this one seems the most promising (in terms of success rate, and something I'd have the courage to do).

The second most promising would seem to be iron poisoning - I'v calculated I'd need just two small bottles of small ferrous sulphate pills - but that doesn't seem to be discussed anywhere, either. Granted, iron poisoning would obliterate your insides if you survive, but there seems to be a high risk of fatality.

Bro i also wants this seed...how i can get this in india can you tell me

 

[purplemoon]

I tried. I survived. I think it's because my friend called the cops on me. Pretty pissed. I shld have taken an anti-emetic. I threw in some Valium in the mix so I'd be asleep when it all happens.

Hi Steve,
I'm hoping to try the Pong seeds (like 3 or 4 crushed up into paste)... i know puking is likely along with chest pain, but what else were physical effects like for you?

Thank you and i hope your day goes okay...

 

[JAG_78]

Hi Steve,
I'm hoping to try the Pong seeds (like 3 or 4 crushed up into paste)...

Hi Purplemoon, did you ever try pong pong seeds?.

 

[woxihuanni]

I considered this, bought the seeds. Changed my mind to SN. Long, painful, no need.

 

[emf333]

I considered this, bought the seeds. Changed my mind to SN. Long, painful, no need.

Whats SN?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Whats SN?

Sodium nitrite.

 

[JAG_78]

Scopolamine (two tablets of buscopan or 10-20 datura inoxia seeds) would be more effective as vomiting and other gastrointestinal symptoms are due to increased vagal tone.

Do those substances and seeds you've mentioned counter act the decreased vagal tone then?. If they do then wouldn't taking them counteract the method as surely the increased vagal tone is needed to produce the heartbeat dysregulation that leads to death (?).

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Do those substances and seeds you've mentioned counter act the decreased vagal tone then?. If they do then wouldn't taking them counteract the method as surely the increased vagal tone is needed to produce the heartbeat dysregulation that leads to death (?).

Yes, they could counteract the increased vagal, tone usually. However... in lower doses under 1200 mcg (<30 seeds), it does the opposite; exacerbating the bradycardia. 10-20 seeds (400-800 mcg) is a safe bet.

 

[JAG_78]

Thanks for this nixonnate32. Where do you get your info from?.

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

I considered this, bought the seeds. Changed my mind to SN. Long, painful, no need.

Hi, reacting to an old post. The only information I have on the pong seeds is that they block calcium ions leading to heart stoppage. You posted that it's a long painful process. Could you please elaborate?

 

[woxihuanni]

Hi, reacting to an old post. The only information I have on the pong seeds is that they block calcium ions leading to heart stoppage. You posted that it's a long painful process. Could you please elaborate?

You can google for hospitalised cases. I don't know how to elaborate, it takes hours to die. Not easy like a shot to the heart

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Thanks for this nixonnate32. Where do you get your info from?.

No problem! I found it in a journal I found a few years ago when I was first working on my Nyan Cocktail project. I don't think this is the particular one. But this is one of them. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.CIR.88.2.353
I originally heard of it on Alt.Suicide.Methods from Daniela when someone else was considering going out via a cardiac glycoside.

There is also another benefit: With a strong painkiller, like a mix of california poppy, Incarvillea sinensis, and akuamma... or just an opiate like morphine, it will induce twilight sleep.

 

[JAG_78]

Hi windingdown, fresh may sound more pleasant than dried but according to this would be far less deadly. According to info here Kernals from the dried ripe cerbera oddollum fruit (drupe) contain much more cerberin than kernals from fresh cerbera oddollum fruit (drupe).

A Case of Attempted Suicide by Cerbera odollam Seed Ingestion

We report a case of attempted suicide by Cerbera odollam seed ingestion by a transgender patient who was successfully treated at our hospital. While the C. odollam plant has multiple practical and ornamental functions, its seeds have traditionally been ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also, there are some accounts of people consuming 1 kernal and dieing despite concerted efforts to normalise heart rhythm and of others consuming 5 and surviving.
There are a lot of variables it seems incl ripeness of fruit when harvested, weather seed has been dried (to the point of containing maximal amounts of cerberin rather than dried out to the point of being a blackened cinder) also BMI of person taking it appears to make a difference. Also how long the kernal fragments remain in the intestines etc.