bringing someone alive to this place should be a crime within itself

[Darkover]

bringing someone alive to this place should be a crime within itself
we don't allow murders to go unpunished yet we are bought alive by our parents to be killed off in very little time and the most scariest thing to a human being is death yet we are bought alive to live a very short lifetime and every moment we are alive we face being killed off this is completely unacceptable how anyone can claim to love their child yet bring them alive to this place is completely unacceptable for one thing you'll never get to see them ever again or hear their voice once they or you die, life inside these machines is extremely poor quality from sickness to disease to injury to mental health problems to neglectful environment to poverty and being made to fall to pieces and repressed, you are gambling with someone else's life when you decide to give birth, is it morally okay to bring new life into this world just because there is a chance that they will have a good life? is it morally okay to ignore the bad outcomes just for the sake of the good outcomes when the stacks are someone's life? I think it's a negative to be born into a bad reality which can only fundamentally get worse

 

[Raichu]

Well I do agree to your viewpoint to some degree. But let me ask you this, have you not experienced any good momments in your life? I know the pain is excruciating and lasts longer than a good momment. Perhaps we should have the liberty to kill off ourselves any time we decide

 

[Darkover]

Well I do agree to your viewpoint to some degree. But let me ask you this, have you not experienced any good momments in your life? I know the pain is excruciating and lasts longer than a good momment. Perhaps we should have the liberty to kill off ourselves any time we decide

i've had good times but on the whole my lifetime here has been mostly negative not worth coming alive for in the slightest
you can't have freedom unless the choice to die is allowed otherwise you would be forced to a live a life you don't want which is exactly what these control freaks are doing by outlawing assisted suicide for everyone

 

[Raichu]

i've had good times but on the whole my lifetime here has been mostly negative not worth coming alive for in the slightest
you can't have freedom unless the choice to die is allowed otherwise you would be forced to a live a life you don't want which is exactly what these control freaks are doing by outlawing assisted suicide for everyone

I agree to what you say. Most of the times even in my lifetime I have faced negative situations. The negative outweighs the positive its true. Well we should have easier access to CTB resources.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Well I do agree to your viewpoint to some degree. But let me ask you this, have you not experienced any good momments in your life? I know the pain is excruciating and lasts longer than a good momment. Perhaps we should have the liberty to kill off ourselves any time we decide

That would definitely soften the blow- if we were allowed to leave when we wanted. The chances of that happening for everyone seem slim though. What parent would let their reasonably healthy child choose to die? Most I imagine would put up resistance or at the very least- be tremendously upset and- we don't want to do that to them.

It just all seems so tragic to me. I at least had parents that loved me. I'm grateful for that. Still, my Mum died when I was 3 and now, I'm really just trying to get through my life so as to not upset my Dad. It's just this awful situation where you just feel trapped because you don't want to hurt them.

Most of us have probably tried to make our lives better, yet- they're just clearly not good enough- or else- we wouldn't be here considering a potentially violent end. It's hard to not look back and think- you could have spared both of us this. I know they didn't intend for it- obviously but you have to wonder- did you really think through the possibilities/ probabilities of things going badly wrong? Why did you assume either of us would be able to handle them? Maybe because they had weathered the storm till that point. I don't know. I can't help but think most parents have children for their own sake though- to fill a deep need they had. I'm not so sure it is so much about giving a new lifeform this incredible opportunity. Most people struggle to some extent in life. I guess they maybe still see the good in it though. I can't get my head around it but then, I've not really seen life that way.

 

[Raichu]

That would definitely soften the blow- if we were allowed to leave when we wanted. The chances of that happening for everyone seem slim though. What parent would let their reasonably healthy child choose to die? Most I imagine would put up resistance or at the very least- be tremendously upset and- we don't want to do that to them.

It just all seems so tragic to me. I at least had parents that loved me. I'm grateful for that. Still, my Mum died when I was 3 and now, I'm really just trying to get through my life so as to not upset my Dad. It's just this awful situation where you just feel trapped because you don't want to hurt them.

Most of us have probably tried to make our lives better, yet- they're just clearly not good enough- or else- we wouldn't be here considering a potentially violent end. It's hard to not look back and think- you could have spared both of us this. I know they didn't intend for it- obviously but you have to wonder- did you really think through the possibilities/ probabilities of things going badly wrong? Why did you assume either of us would be able to handle them? Maybe because they had weathered the storm till that point. I don't know. I can't help but think most parents have children for their own sake though- to fill a deep need they had. I'm not so sure it is so much about giving a new lifeform this incredible opportunity. Most people struggle to some extent in life. I guess they maybe still see the good in it though. I can't get my head around it but then, I've not really seen life that way.

I am so sorry for your loss. I am sure that your dad is proud of you. And yes, being born is like being trapped until you die. Our generation is a lost one. The ugliest and the loneliest generation of all time.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I am so sorry for your loss. I am sure that your dad is proud of you. And yes, being born is like being trapped until you die. Our generation is a lost one. The ugliest and the loneliest generation of all time.

Thank you. Yes, in some ways my Dad is proud of me. Not so much in others probably. He loves me though I know, and I love him. Which is great and all that but- it doesn't exactly solve the day to day problem of living really!

I may not be your generation though... I'm 44. Maybe your parents generation?!! I wonder if we're getting more lost and lonely as we go on though! Whatever, it doesn't look good!

 

[Raichu]

Thank you. Yes, in some ways my Dad is proud of me. Not so much in others probably. He loves me though I know, and I love him. Which is great and all that but- it doesn't exactly solve the day to day problem of living really!

I may not be your generation though... I'm 44. Maybe your parents generation?!! I wonder if we're getting more lost and lonely as we go on though! Whatever, it doesn't look good!

Yes you are of my parents' generation. But its still sad that you want to die. I really hope you find peace and happiness, we can talk more if you wish in the dms althought idk how to dm.

 

[FuneralCry]

Procreation truly is such a horrific crime to me, I find it so incredibly tragic how humans continue to impose existence as it's something that causes immense harm, it's a curse to be enslaved in this reality where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer. The only compassionate outcome would be to leave the non-existent alone in peace and finally let this species go extinct so no human has to suffer ever again in this futile existence where there is endless potential for cruelty and torment. Existence was always very unnecessary in the first place, it disturbs me how people would choose to create meaningless suffering by so harmfully deciding to procreate even know nobody can suffer from not existing.

 

[hurting]

Making it a crime would be just another way of control. No thank you. I understand what you are saying but you can not change natural human behavior with philosophy or ideology. I am not trying to upset you wish you the best.

 

[Neowise]

If a woman wants to be sterilized so she won't get pregnant she needs to see a psychatrist first who will need to give green light for the operation. But a psychopath woman doesn't need a certificate that she is a suitable mother. It's her right to have children and torture them physically or mentally. But it's not her right to avoid children. Clown world.

 

[thewalkingdread]

is it morally okay to bring new life into this world just because there is a chance that they will have a good life? is it morally okay to ignore the bad outcomes just for the sake of the good outcomes when the stacks are someone's life?

All parents — i.e, natalists! — unconsciously share the same "God's complex" as Victor Frankenstein...

Not only do they want to create something unique of their own, and play God... but they are also craving for a power/control narcisistic egotrip based on the full dominion of someone else — i.e. children.

But a psychopath woman doesn't need a certificate that she is a suitable mother. It's her right to have children and torture them physically or mentally

In no other type of human relationships one has more power/control over someone else than that of a parent to it's child. This realization just gives me the creeps... Seriously. Specially when you consider that the only criterion you need to have a child is having a dick and a vagina together in the same room.

No social-economic nor psychological screening required.

It's actually harder to get a driver's license than to get a "paternity/maternity license" because the latter doesn't even exist. And most people will call you a Nazi for proposing any minimalist form of paternity/maternity control.

Natalists are very, very "sick" people by default. And the worse of it all is that it's all so normalized and even romanticized... It just makes me sick to think of all the unnecessary suffering they promote.

 

[HD72]

Considering the pain mine have left me in I totally agree.

 

[thewalkingdread]

Considering the pain mine have left me in I totally agree.

So sorry to hear that...

 

[Homo erectus]

If high birth rates occur in places where people find live positive, maybe we are not told the truth about the world.

 

[HD72]

So sorry to hear that...

Thank u. I like your quote.

 

[Manfrotto99]

It maybe a risk, but the positive generally outweighs the negative in most people lives. it is just that we are suicidal and our experience is the opposite to the norm. That is why people negatively judge and cannot comprehend what it is like to be suicidal. We are the minority. Most people I've known have wanted to be here and do not want their lives to end. Still I do think there are a lot of parents who should not have children. Strangely enough it is often the ones that would of made good parents that miss out.

 

[Ampsvx123]

The home of Romans is on earth, Romans ought to do as they please, they shall dictate the policies and foreigners shall have no say.

 

[HD72]

Well I do agree to your viewpoint to some degree. But let me ask you this, have you not experienced any good momments in your life? I know the pain is excruciating and lasts longer than a good momment. Perhaps we should have the liberty to kill off ourselves any time we decide

Yes we should have the right. Especially those who live in unending physical pain. Depression is bad enough. Being trapped in a body u can't find any peace with on top of it is torture. Then people who have never experienced this get to decide we have to stay and feel every moment of that pain usually alone and usually broke hungry and homeless.

 

[Iamtired]

Yes we should have the right. Especially those who live in unending physical pain. Depression is bad enough. Being trapped in a body u can't find any peace with on top of it is torture. Then people who have never experienced this get to decide we have to stay and feel every moment of that pain usually alone and usually broke hungry and homeless.

10000000%

 

[hibikikyuxx]

Crazy how none of us asked to be born, yet we're not allowed to end our life. Meanwhile, anyone is allowed to bring children into this overpopulated world. Doesn't matter if they're poor, abusive, or lack education. They're allowed to force someone into existence, force them to go through the hardships of life, and put them at the risk of murder, abuse, illnesses, etc, and their inevitable death (which is basically murder). The government knows that life is not worth living for, that's why euthanasia isn't legalized everywhere. Who in their right mind would willingly want to slave away for 50+ years just to die of old age? I've lived 20+ years and that was more than enough to give me an impression of what awaits me for the next 50+ years. No thanks. Fuck the government and fuck society.