Boston Bomber

[FadingAway]

This dude gets to die by lethal injection of I assume Nembutal. Fuck this world

 

[nerve]

Death row inmates wait 15 years on average between sentencing and execution. Don't worry, Dzhokhar will suffer plenty

Like god Can you imagine being locked in a cell for 10+ years just waiting to be put down but not being able to carry it out yourself?

 

[JD8080]

It's so unfair !

 

[Anonymoussn]

This dude gets to die by lethal injection of I assume Nembutal. Fuck this world

But he doesnt get to leave this world knowing he is a good person. Which is the most important thing, really. Fuck him.

 

[Stavrogin]

But he doesnt get to leave this world knowing he is a good person. Which is the most important thing, really. Fuck him.

The people who think they're good people are usually the most dangerous. Dzhokhar and those who carry out very similar actions think they're on a holy mission, so they think they're amongst the best of us.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

But he doesnt get to leave this world knowing he is a good person. Which is the most important thing, really.

My thought is that he's got lots of years on death row to work on it. It won't undo what he's done, but if he does, the world will be better for as long as he's still in it.

I read the comments on this thread and I think about jihadists. I think about the Crusades. I think about my own parents who came from "good Midwestern values" that dictate beating one's children for their own good (truck stops in the Midwest actually sell paddles for beating children, painted with "humorous" sayings, the same paddles I grew up with -- in case correction is needed on the road and sufficient implements are not at hand).

Since the Old Testament and I'm sure longer, people have done horrific things to others because they believe it is holy, instructive, sanctioned by some higher being, and/or is for some higher good.

Really it's about having power and wanting more of it -- having power over others' bodies, their property, and their lives -- and using something deemed great and good to justify the violence and oppression that such desires spawn. Even the history of the US, which so (ostensibly) nobly began in rejection of oppression, went on to employ the propaganda of Manifest Destiny to justify and garner spirit-swelling support for violently taking everything from Native Americans and oppressing them. The Bible was used to justify slavery and segregation, and that spirit still lives on in the South; I know because I lived there. Dubya Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq over 9/11 and non-existent weapons of mass destruction, and justified the means with the ends of killing a dictator, only to replace the oppression with more. People get fired up for a holy cause. When I was a Christian, I myself was an asshole and thought I was so right. That spirit-swelling stuff is just a distorted lens. It really fucks things up.

If I were to preach anything, it would be to learn to respect and honor all boundaries and to appreciate reciprocity. This isn't utopian peacenik shit, it's hard work that doesn't come naturally. I would preach to give others the gifts of the Buddhist Five Precepts. Again, hard work, not our natural inclinations. If I ruled the world, I wouldn't oppress, I would support, and make sure I had others around me who reminded me to keep my ego and any kind of spirit swelling out of my decisions and actions. But I don't rule the world, oppressors do. They don't want what I offer. They detest it. They detest me. And with exceedingly rare exception, this is how the world has always been. My heart has high ideals and strives to live them, but the world is ever more dystopian. It's all quite nausea-inducing, and humans have been disempowered and nauseated by the way of the world in all cultures since always. There are genuinely good people, but they are in general disempowered, forced to act against their consciences and their wills in order to survive. Suicide in response to disempowerment, violence, and oppression is also as old as those things themselves, and is, in some ways, an ultimate form of survival.


*climbs down from pulpit, starts mixing SN (because oppression says no N for me)

 

[Despondent]

Those of us with mental illness aren't privy to dying with dignity but death row inmates are? We have to die in some of the most painful ways and they don't? It should be vice versa.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Those of us with mental illness aren't privy to dying with dignity but death row inmates are? We have to die in some of the most painful ways and they don't? It should be vice versa.

Your comment intrigues me, and I can't figure out why.

This is what I wonder:

If you weren't yourself seeking and denied a peaceful/dignified suicide, would you think that death row inmates deserved a non-peaceful/dignified death?

Do you consider carrying out a death sentence to be a dignified death if it is delivered by peaceful means? Do you think the inmate considers it dignified?

No expectation you'll answer, I don't mean to impose. Like I said, I feel intrigued, but that doesn't mean I expect my curiosity to be satisfied. Also, I recognize it's a polarizing topic. I won't judge you if you respond, no matter what you respond, that's not my purpose at all and would be a jerk move, but others might judge and I don't want to set you up for that if it's a concern. Also, I hope it's okay that I asked, and I'm glad to delete the comment if you're not comfortable with it.

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

This dude gets to die by lethal injection of I assume Nembutal. Fuck this world

It will not be N.

Execution by lethal injection may have been, at one time, a humane method of punishment, when compared to something like the electric chair or the gas chamber, but this is not true so much anymore.

In the US, several drug manufacturers have refused to supply the states who still carry out executions with the types of drugs, like N, that cause peaceful death, because they do not wish to supply the tools that lead to death as a form of a punishment.

This has forced the states to pretty much cobble together these fucked up cocktails comprised of several different substances.

These cocktails typically cause the death to take an extended amount of time, like numerous hours, during which time the person being executed experiences excruciating suffering.

There are too many cases to cite here but this is why there are a number of folks nowadays using the argument that lethal injection in its current form is cruel and unusual punishment.

Pretty fucked up way to die for those people who are wrongly convicted and sentenced to lethal injection. Of which, there are many.

 

[lostangel]

This dude gets to die by lethal injection of I assume Nembutal. Fuck this world

never thought about it like that. This world is so backwards.

 

[Grandexit]

To be fair, supermax penitentiary has been described as a clean version of hell. If you want to experience it for yourself, you're one horrible act from getting the same exact vacation package that shit stain is on.

"A former warden once described ADX as "a clean version of hell." In recent years, civil rights attorneys have argued that the prison was more like a filthy version of hell — a place where mentally ill men mutilated themselves, talked to ghosts and festered in feces-caked isolation cells for months, until a lawsuit forced the U.S. Bureau of Prisons to move its most acutely psychotic prisoners out of ADX."

A better argument is; if my dog gets cancer, the vet will tell me to put him to sleep. He will get the sedition shot followed by the magic shot of N. If a person gets cancer they're expected to writhe in agony until their organs turn to a minefield of tumors. How is that fair or humane?