Discussion Benzo dosage & spacing discussion for sedation

[jjxt94]

This topic has been debated a lot across the forums, and I really haven't found a perfectly clear solution to it.
For a lot of us, the fear of pain is one of biggest factor of preventing CTB, and reason for taking benzo is to alleviate this factor by sedating us w/ peaceful death.
However, there are some conflicting answers regarding this:

• PPH suggests taking benzo AFTER SN, with 20x30mg Oxazepam tablets (or other equivalent), crushed and mixed with water
  • PPH reports that 10-12 minute is onset of unconsciousness after SN
  • purpose in PPH is to speed the loss of consciousness taken w/ agent
• Users who have reportedly taken SN w/o sedating agents reports feeling the pain/discomfort effects kick in 5-10minutes after consuming SN, and 10-20minutes afterwards both in/out of consciousness.

But here lies the issue:

• Anecdotally, other users have been afraid of SI/pain kicking in before benzos kick in and have been taking it 30min-1hr before SN and some have reported failuredue to benzo effect kicking in before being able to take SN
  • reason for failure: Sedation effect way before ability to take SN

Anyways -back to benzos

• Under normal circumstances, the onset (if taken immediate release/tablets) of regular dose of benzo is 1-2 hrs, with time to peak in blood varying from 1-4hours depending on benzo taken.
  • But our aim is different: this is only if we are taking regular therapeutic dose
  • Our aim is not therapeutic effect, instead sedating us to point SI/pain would affect us less.
    • people are mistakenly taking loading dose as regular onset dose- primary cause of failure to even take SN in first place.
• We are taking a much bigger loading dose(10-20x regular dose, meaning higher levels of drug in blood lot faster), meaning we would need to balance it out with its effect w/ SN
  • Question: how long would spacing needed to offset the effect of SN pain/discomfort?
    • PPH recommendation is taken w/ SN to speed effect, but this isn't ideal for some of us as we would be in discomfort
    • What would be ideal time spaced between between SN & Benzo to maximize peacefulness?

To a lot of us, benzo to this dosage/effect would not be something we are familiar with since we are either benzo-naive or just dosing for therapy. Could someone more familiar with benzo interactions in personal fashion help out?

Benzo/BZD/benzodiazepine conversion calc:

Benzodiazepine Conversion Calculator

The benzodiazepine conversion calculator adjusts doses between converting oral benzodiazepines.

www.mdcalc.com

 

[itsalittlecold]

This topic has been debated a lot across the forums, and I really haven't found a perfectly clear solution to it.
For a lot of us, the fear of pain is one of biggest factor of preventing CTB, and reason for taking benzo is to alleviate this factor by sedating us w/ peaceful death.
However, there are some conflicting answers regarding this:

• PPH suggests taking benzo AFTER SN, with 20x30mg Oxazepam tablets (or other equivalent), crushed and mixed with water
  • PPH reports that 10-12 minute is onset of unconsciousness after SN
  • purpose in PPH is to speed the loss of consciousness taken w/ agent
• Anecdotally, other users have been afraid of SI/pain kicking in before benzos kick in and have been taking it 30min-1hr before SN and some have reported failure due to benzo effect kicking in before being able to take SN

Anyways -back to benzos
Under normal circumstances, the onset (if taken immediate release/tablets) of regular dose of benzo is 1-2 hrs, with time to peak in blood varying from 1-4hours depending on benzo taken.
But our aim is different: this is only if we are taking regular dose of it. What we are aiming for here is not therapeutic effect, instead sedating us to point SI/pain would affect us less.
Also, since we are taking a much bigger loading dose (10-20x regular dose, higher levels of drug in blood lot faster), we would need to balance it out with its effect w/ SN meaning: how long would it be needed to offset the effect of SN pain/discomfort?

A lot of anecdotal accounts of SN w/o benzo reports feeling the pain/discomfort effects kick in 5-10minutes after consuming SN, and 10-20minutes afterward of in/out of consciousness.

To a lot of us, benzo to this dosage/effect would not be something we are familiar with since we are either benzo-naive or just dosing for therapy. Could someone more familiar with benzo interactions in personal fashion help out?

Benzo/BZD/benzodiazepine conversion calc:

Benzodiazepine Conversion Calculator

The benzodiazepine conversion calculator adjusts doses between converting oral benzodiazepines.

www.mdcalc.com

That was a good read. Sorry I don't have any answers though, have you tried lurking in the benzo's subreddit? Obviously not in the context of what we want, just a lot of people do enjoy abusing them or have gained a high tolerance.

 

[jjxt94]

That was a good read. Sorry I don't have any answers though, have you tried lurking in the benzo's subreddit? Obviously not in the context of what we want, just a lot of people do enjoy abusing them or have gained a high tolerance.

I've tried lurking and reading other sources like psychonaut wiki/experience vault and all, but I haven't really found clear answer to this exact solution. The aims here are quick sedation within quick timeframe (which other medications such as anesthetics would be far better for, but obviously, BZD is far more accessible/legally obtainable) which a lot of times, goes against the recreational use in first place

but if someone here who is familiar recreationally could tell some anecdotal experience regarding it, it would be helpful.