Discussion Avoiding a lawsuit from hotel

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If I CTB in a hotel, is there a possibility that the hotel will file a lawsuit against my family?

I've heard of suicides by train, where the train driver who was traumatized by the suicide filed a lawsuit against the family of the one who CTB.

And on the same topic, how can I minimize traumatizing the hotel staff?
I already chose a non violent method (SN) for this reason.

 

[2manyproblems]

I saw someone say in another post that they will hang a sheet up near the door with a note that there's a suicide behind it to warn the staff.

 

[Roger]

It depends which country and state you live in.

Train operators in Germany and Japan have been able to bring suit against a suicide's family in a few cases. Perhaps this is permitted because of the high rates of suicide by train in those countries.

Elsewhere a claimant would usually proceed against the estate of the suicide.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have often considered how I would manage ctb in a hotel.

I would ctb in the bathroom to minimize cleanup and mitigate potential property damage post-ctb. I would put a note on the outside of the closed bathroom door.

I would write on the note that I had ctb'd by x means and to please call the police rather than enter.

 

[dioxide]

I saw someone say in another post that they will hang a sheet up near the door with a note that there's a suicide behind it to warn the staff.

That's really too stoopid bcause void any purpose of being in a hotel to not be discovered and sent to an emergency o a psyward

 

[Untitled]

I have often considered how I would manage ctb in a hotel.

I would ctb in the bathroom to minimize cleanup and mitigate potential property damage post-ctb. I would put a note on the outside of the closed bathroom door.

I would write on the note that I had ctb'd by x means and to please call the police rather than enter.

This is what I thought of doing too.

It's kinda sad to spend your last few minutes on the cold bathroom floor or in the bathtub, but maybe it's worth it if it means less work for the hotel staff.

 

[Soulstax]

The more I think about this, the more selfish I feel. Since I'll be gone forever (and in trillions of years everything will likely be gone forever), I don't really worry about the aftermath of my passing. Not my problem anymore, so I don't worry about it. Such a selfish way of thinking, but it's how I feel.

 

[Fragile]

i don't think that they have any valid reason to do so, hotels usually have some protocol when this happens and they help the staff with therapy and psychiatric evaluations.

in fact, the families are the ones who sue hotels when a suicide occurs. i haven't read of any case of the opposite and many cases of families suing a hotel because they have no one else to blame.

maybe there is a case to be made with train operators since the aftermath of such suicide is one of the most gruesome things imaginable, but even then i don't think that a court will take this very seriously, the families usually have no direct involvement in this so there is nothing that they can do to prove it, plus people usually show empathy towards the families, it takes a special kind of crooked, money hungry lawyer to sue people when they just lost someone to suicide.

 

[Untitled]

The more I think about this, the more selfish I feel. Since I'll be gone forever (and in trillions of years everything will likely be gone forever), I don't really worry about the aftermath of my passing. Not my problem anymore, so I don't worry about it. Such a selfish way of thinking, but it's how I feel.

I totally understand your selfishness and I don't hold it against you.

This is also why I don't really get angry at people who jump in front of trains. I understand them, I understand their suffering, I know they didn't want to traumatize anyone.

in fact, the families are the ones who sue hotels when a suicide occurs. i haven't read of any case of the opposite and many cases of families suing a hotel because they have no one else to blame.

What?! That's horrible! Why would the family sue the hotel for the suicide? What could the hotel have done?

maybe there is a case to be made with train operators since the aftermath of such suicide is one of the most gruesome things imaginable, but even then i don't think that a court will take this very seriously, the families usually have no direct involvement in this so there is nothing that they can do to prove it, plus people usually show empathy towards the families, it takes a special kind of crooked, money hungry lawyer to sue people when they just lost someone to suicide.

That's partly why I'm going for a big hotel company. Such a company has a lot more to lose if it gets a bad news coverage than if it simply has to deal quietly with the aftermath.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

This is what I thought of doing too.

It's kinda sad to spend your last few minutes on the cold bathroom floor or in the bathtub, but maybe it's worth it if it means less work for the hotel staff.

Not only less work, but the clean up of bodily fluids, which reminds me of something I should post on this thread.

But yeah, it's sad.

IMPORTANT INFO

In the US, I believe in many states it is a legal requirement that professional services come in and clean. One of the major companies that do this is ServPro, I think another is ChemPro. I know this because I used to work in insurance claims, and because my father was a forensic investigator (ahem, let's just move right past that). So, the hotel can put a claim against your estate for any expenses incurred as a result of your passing on their property.

There should be a resource thread for this.

Edit: It could also be a requirement of the hotel's insurance provider. One could call one of cleanup companies to find out, say you're the admin for a developer interested in purchasing a hotel and you're doing research.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

That's really too stoopid bcause void any purpose of being in a hotel to not be discovered and sent to an emergency o a psyward

Come on. Obviously the sheet would be INSIDE the hotel room, not outside in the hallway...

 

[TAW122]

I have thought about this before too, but I would like to think that insurance and CTBs inside a hotel aren't really new to them. Even if they (the hotel management) did sue the suicidal, unless the suicidal had much assets, I don't see how the hotel management would likely get much (if any) from the deceased. In all honesty, I personally am avoiding the hotel as a venue to CTB (unless I really had no other place for privacy) and would go to like the woods or some other secluded place to CTB.

In all likeliness, I agree with most answers here, most hotels don't really sue and have insurance covering suicides.

 

[Backwood_tilt]

The more I think about this, the more selfish I feel. Since I'll be gone forever (and in trillions of years everything will likely be gone forever), I don't really worry about the aftermath of my passing. Not my problem anymore, so I don't worry about it. Such a selfish way of thinking, but it's how I feel.

I don't think this is selfish at all. I think this is very big of you, that you can see it on a more cosmic scale and less on the granular/egocentric level that we in the west tend towards.

People die every day, of all sorts of causes. Yes it causes repercussions in our society to those who are affected, but all in all the world is very well equipped to deal with people dying. Even the hardships you imagine might ripple outwards from your CTB, they too will pass in time.

 

[TowerUpright]

I would think not. Who would they sue??

If you are considered a legal adult, any actions you take are your responsibility and yours alone. I would add two things:

1) If you have meaningful assets, they could sue your estate. But if you are like many people and have little assets, they likely won't go after you, since they would be fighting along side of every bill collector for a small piece of what's left. And they'd have to pay their own lawyers fees.

2) It's true that anyone can sue anyone for almost any reason. But it is difficult, at best, to hold someone else responsible for your actions. That might mean your family might have to hire a lawyer to fend off the frivolous lawsuit, which could cause some bills.

I would lastly say that a small, independent motel / hotel is far less likely to have lawyers on staff and/or retainer than a big chain.

I'm not a lawyer. Take this advice and do more research.

 

[90sAesthetics]

The more I think about this, the more selfish I feel. Since I'll be gone forever (and in trillions of years everything will likely be gone forever), I don't really worry about the aftermath of my passing. Not my problem anymore, so I don't worry about it. Such a selfish way of thinking, but it's how I feel.

And on the bright side, in (10^10^115)x(10^10^10^56) years (which will pass by instantly, when we're in the void), quantum fluctuations will spawn a universe completely subatomically identical to the one in which we live. We will once again return to this Earth in no time.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Many have brought up lawyers. More likely, their insurance company would try to recoup the expenses and the deductible from the estate. Your executors, that is, your family, will recoup their expenses first, then any creditors will indeed have to stand in line and will walk away empty-handed if there is nothing left. That is the risk of giving credit, and that is why people pay insurance deductibles, and why executors come first.

Please know that I am responding with great compassion for your worries and care. In my compassion, I think it is important to address your questions as factually and accurately as possible. It helps me and others here to have as much information as we can to make informed decisions, whether about ctb methods or the logistics of what follows after. All such discussions have certainly helped me in my preparations and I'm grateful for threads where someone asks questions. Thank you for posting.

 

[2manyproblems]

That's really too stoopid bcause void any purpose of being in a hotel to not be discovered and sent to an emergency o a psyward

Not outside but inside the door but the person who said to just do it in the bathroom and put a note on the door of the bathroom has a better idea.

 

[Quarky00]

They wouldn't sue your family.

Very unlikely chances they might ask expenses from the money or property you personally own at time of death (inheritance). I honestly don't see that happening with a cleaning bill..... ;) ( @TowerUpright said well ).

• If you have a property or money you should get everything in order anyway...
• If you have debts they die with you, you can abuse credit and give to others, well before you die.
  • I know several people who had done so. Their children received some very threatening letters, that had no meaning ;)
• The people given "the things" must be the legal owners of those things. Be it cash, car, property etc they should be in possession of these.

Staff Trauma

1. Send delayed email to emergency services, notify them of the body -- staff will have nothing to do with it.
2. Put a chair right in front of the door with note: "STOP. DO NOT ENTER. Incident happened. Call police immediately. Do not enter". The chair will make sure staff won't enter... Change phrasing as you wish... Make sure your body can't be viewed from the door etc.

 

[waterbottleman]

Is there any information on what kind of a hotel you should/should not ctb at?

I plan on drinking SN at a hotel and dying on the bathroom floor wrapped up in a blanket. I'll have a note on the door telling hotel staff to not come in and to call 9/11.

I'd prefer to die somewhere that is somewhat pleasant and I have the money to afford a decent hotel, however I also want to take into consideration the reputation of the hotel (I don't want to harm their business). I'd rather not die in some ratty depressing crappy motel, but I also dont think it would be appropriate to ctb in some luxury hotel that could harm their reputation.

Can anyone provide any guidance/insight on this or do you know of any material where I could read about this?

Thank you =)

 

[Daffodil]

Yo, ya'll should just die however would be the best for you. If it's in luxury, then do it. If it's on the bed and not the bathtub, do it. There'll be $2-300 damages tops. Just leave a note for the staff to call 911 so they aren't traumatized. They'll throw out the bedding. I'm sure there's regularly much worse damage than by a death by poison.

 

[waterbottleman]

Yo, ya'll should just die however would be the best for you. If it's in luxury, then do it. If it's on the bed and not the bathtub, do it. There'll be $2-300 damages tops. Just leave a note for the staff to call 911 so they aren't traumatized. They'll throw out the bedding. I'm sure there's regularly much worse damage than by a death by poison.

I get what you're saying but I'll just feel guilty and I don't want to feel that at my last moments.

Ive always cared about other people's possessions more than my own. Probably because I value other people more and think I'm inferior to everyone.

Im glad that im an organ donor, hope SN doesn't destroy all my organs. Would rather save someone else's life than live my pointless existence, im a worthless person so I'll be glad that i get to save someone who is actually of value.

 

[Daffodil]

I get what you're saying but I'll just feel guilty and I don't want to feel that at my last moments.

Ive always cared about other people's possessions more than my own. Probably because I value other people more and think I'm inferior to everyone.

You could leave a $500 tip and do it in a luxurious room. Idk I am seeing this more practically perhaps. I'm sure every hotel deals with multiple suicides or deaths per year and has a protocol they run though.

 

[waterbottleman]

You could leave a $500 tip and do it in a luxurious room. Idk I am seeing this more practically perhaps. I'm sure every hotel deals with multiple suicides or deaths per year and has a protocol they run though.

You're probably right, I just want to do some research before I make the choice.

Yes ill be leaving the hotel a large tip and I'll also provide the hotel with a note that they're free to charge my debit card for any cleaning and/or replacement costs they have to do.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

Im glad that im an organ donor, hope SN doesn't destroy all my organs. Would rather save someone else's life than live my pointless existence, im a worthless person so I'll be glad that i get to save someone who is actually of value.

SN will most definitely make your organs and tissue useless for donation.

I've put my ctb plans on hold indefinitely. However, my tentative plan was to use SN at a crappy local motel that is frequented by junkies. They're used to having guests OD and leave in body bags. Having someone commit suicide there might actually be a nice change of pace for them. I'd cover the bed with a tarp for easy clean-up.

 

[2manyproblems]

SN will most definitely make your organs and tissue useless for donation.

I've put my ctb plans on hold indefinitely. However, my tentative plan was to use SN at a crappy local motel that is frequented by junkies. They're used to having guests OD and leave in body bags. Having someone commit suicide there might actually be a nice change of pace for them. I'd cover the bed with a tarp for easy clean-up.

How do you find such a motel. Does anyone know.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

How do you find such a motel. Does anyone know.

I would look for a crappy-looking one-story motel that has signs for weekly and monthly rates, often alongside an interstate or highway, outside the center of the town or city. If you can't drive, go to a hotel booking website, go for the cheapest rates. Scroll through the photos and descriptions, looking for the weekly and monthly rates to be mentioned. The rooms will have older décor, nothing fancy, and probably a mini fridge.

 

[waterbottleman]

SN will most definitely make your organs and tissue useless for donation.

I've put my ctb plans on hold indefinitely. However, my tentative plan was to use SN at a crappy local motel that is frequented by junkies. They're used to having guests OD and leave in body bags. Having someone commit suicide there might actually be a nice change of pace for them. I'd cover the bed with a tarp for easy clean-up.

That's too bad.

oh well whatever, just another reason why I'm useless =(

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

How do you find such a motel. Does anyone know.

I legit have one in walking distance from me. Where I live they are all over

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I legit have one in walking distance from me. Where I live they are all over

That made me chuckle.

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

That made me chuckle.

Ha glad it made you chuckle. The one close to me is so trashy.