Autoimmune diseases and psychosomatic illnesses are an example of the failures of modern medicine.

[GentleJerk]

Basically, this.

I started having autoimmune-like illness among other issues, as a result of being poisoned after drinking something sketchy that was offered to me. This drink is 100% the reason for my deteriorating health and I am without a shred of doubt about this.

Clearly something is to blame. But the best they can come up with is 'psychosomatic' at first to easily dismiss everything, and when the debilitating health problems become obvious and too great to blame on psychosomatic causes, such as liver failure, it becomes 'unknown cause'.

Asthma used to be strictly labeled 'psychosomatic' because they simply did not know the real cause, so they blamed it on mental problems. Imagine telling the parent of an asthmatic child who is struggling to breathe, that it's all in the childs head. Unbelievable. Psychosomatic is just the label doctors gave things back then for which they did not find a cause, and I believe the same is true today. I feel sorry for people with so-called "psychosomatic" pain and illnesses, who have been convinced that their misery is created by a mental illness.

I used to experience asthma when I was young, and my mother was lucky enough to take me to a doctor that told her there was a much higher than usual level of respiratory illnesses in the town where we lived, he believed to be due to the local sugar refinery. She says she remembers the sweet smell of the air in the town, and the build-up of a caramel-like sticky resin in the mesh of the fly screen doors. My asthma miraculously cleared up eventually after we moved to a new city, and luckily I have never needed a puffer.

With autoimmune diseases, their argument is, that there is a malfunction with the immune system, causing it to become overactive over time and attack the healthy body, usually for no known reason. I believe this is a nuanced white lie that they perpetuate, and they are in the business of not identifying and treating the real causes. Rarely, a cause is identified, and the autoimmune disease can be cured with the appropriate course of antibiotics to eliminate the offender that is pissing off the immune system.

I believe there is always an underlying infection or injury somewhere in the body, maybe the presence of a pathogen, maybe a bacterial imbalance, and this causes a sustained, prolonged immune response which does not heal the injuries or eradicate the pathogen. Over time, the immune response becomes overactive and causes problems.

There is always something that is pissing off the immune system! It's never just malfunctioning and therefore attacking itself for no reason. It's all lies. And I don't believe it is an oversight or a case of ignorance or lack of knowledge. But because rudimentary treatments exist, they can justify a complete lack of appropriate investigation about these awful diseases. When the autoimmune disease causes joint inflammation, they have an anti-inflammatories. When it causes headaches or muscle pain, they have painkillers. When it attacks your kidneys or heart, they have immunosuppressants and possibly surgery and transplants. Always lifelong medications to treat symptoms, and no cures.

I believe even rhumatoid arthritis and many cases of depression is caused by an underlying infection, the presence of bacteria or an offending pathogen or something, I suspect originating from inside the body, possibly coming from the gut, and circulating through the bloodstream winding up in the brain and joints where it creates an immune response. Only time and hopefully honest and altruistic science will prove me right. But until the motivation becomes something other than money, for doing research, developing new treatments, drugs, and cures... for the time being I am fully convinced they are lying about what they know and don't know.

 

[MG_39]

I got extreme neurological damage after lyme. But of course it's psychosomatic. Very strange though since I never have had any health problems in my life before this happened, not physical or mental.

And the solution is antidepressants according to doctors. I mean it can't be possible that my mental health is a product of physical suffering!?

 

[GentleJerk]

I can tell you, if you were ever infected with Borellia bacteria then your symptoms are not psychosomatic. They affect your mind, they are not caused by it. It's an absolute lie.

Lyme disease is not recognized or acknowledged by the medical authorities in my country and they completely deny the existence of any Lyme-like diseases here. We have our own tick-borne Lyme-like diseases, but those who have been bitten by our ticks and developed wasting illnesses afterwards are systemically fobbed off and called malingerers, with no help available.

 

[Dot]

Thnk thre = multple reasns fr dffrnt ilness b/ th bdy cn b-cme traumtsd whn ovr-whlmd @ nervs systm levl & tht gs mch deepr thn psychlgcl - trma cn b causd b/ psychlgcl physcl & immne prblms bcse nervs systm = cnnctd 2 thm all

 

[Mixo]

I've long believed that many chronic illnesses, particularly conditions that doctors use vague nomenclature like "fibromyalgia" and "CFS" to explain are caused by pathogens and hidden infections at least a fair bit of the time. I am completely with you and am glad you're putting this idea forward. Be prepared to be challenged, as this doesn't fit the standard ideas of traditional medicine. For those who do believe, identifying the infection itself becomes half the battle.

 

[Chinaski]

Basically, this.

I started having autoimmune-like illness among other issues, as a result of being poisoned after drinking something sketchy that was offered to me. This drink is 100% the reason for my deteriorating health and I am without a shred of doubt about this.

Clearly something is to blame. But the best they can come up with is 'psychosomatic' at first to easily dismiss everything, and when the debilitating health problems become obvious and too great to blame on psychosomatic causes, such as liver failure, it becomes 'unknown cause'.

Asthma used to be strictly labeled 'psychosomatic' because they simply did not know the real cause, so they blamed it on mental problems. Imagine telling the parent of an asthmatic child who is struggling to breathe, that it's all in the childs head. Unbelievable. Psychosomatic is just the label doctors gave things back then for which they did not find a cause, and I believe the same is true today. I feel sorry for people with so-called "psychosomatic" pain and illnesses, who have been convinced that their misery is created by a mental illness.

I used to experience asthma when I was young, and my mother was lucky enough to take me to a doctor that told her there was a much higher than usual level of respiratory illnesses in the town where we lived, he believed to be due to the local sugar refinery. She says she remembers the sweet smell of the air in the town, and the build-up of a caramel-like sticky resin in the mesh of the fly screen doors. My asthma miraculously cleared up eventually after we moved to a new city, and luckily I have never needed a puffer.

With autoimmune diseases, their argument is, that there is a malfunction with the immune system, causing it to become overactive over time and attack the healthy body, usually for no known reason. I believe this is a nuanced white lie that they perpetuate, and they are in the business of not identifying and treating the real causes. Rarely, a cause is identified, and the autoimmune disease can be cured with the appropriate course of antibiotics to eliminate the offender that is pissing off the immune system.

I believe there is always an underlying infection or injury somewhere in the body, maybe the presence of a pathogen, maybe a bacterial imbalance, and this causes a sustained, prolonged immune response which does not heal the injuries or eradicate the pathogen. Over time, the immune response becomes overactive and causes problems.

There is always something that is pissing off the immune system! It's never just malfunctioning and therefore attacking itself for no reason. It's all lies. And I don't believe it is an oversight or a case of ignorance or lack of knowledge. But because rudimentary treatments exist, they can justify a complete lack of appropriate investigation about these awful diseases. When the autoimmune disease causes joint inflammation, they have an anti-inflammatories. When it causes headaches or muscle pain, they have painkillers. When it attacks your kidneys or heart, they have immunosuppressants and possibly surgery and transplants. Always lifelong medications to treat symptoms, and no cures.

I believe even rhumatoid arthritis and many cases of depression is caused by an underlying infection, the presence of bacteria or an offending pathogen or something, I suspect originating from inside the body, possibly coming from the gut, and circulating through the bloodstream winding up in the brain and joints where it creates an immune response. Only time and hopefully honest and altruistic science will prove me right. But until the motivation becomes something other than money, for doing research, developing new treatments, drugs, and cures... for the time being I am fully convinced they are lying about what they know and don't know.

My own experience of healthcare has been described elsewhere but personally I'd love to see a statistical breakdown of patients dismissed as "psychosomatic / stress / bonkers" who later had a concrete diagnosis of something actually treatable, anecdotes alone suggest this is a higher number than they would like, and many auto-immune disorders fall into this category by extension as they serve as dustbin diagnoses, utilised to make the patient feel better about having a formal diagnosis despite this having no tangible positive for the patient. Many pain disorders also fall into similar dustbin criteria, couched in language such as "idiopathic atypical odontalgia" or "psychogenic neuropathic pruritis" or some shit - this dishonesty rankles tbqh, I'd much prefer to be told "l don't fucking know mate" than be served up similar drivel which even their own literature acknowledges as fundamentally junk which is used to get shut of patients they cba with, however the ego of the medical profession is dependent upon the maintenance of its own pedestalisation and to many practitioners this appears to take precedence over patient well-being.

 

[Mixo]

Thnk thre cld b multpl thngs tht cntrbte 2 fbro / cfs symptms - infctn nt alwys th cse bt prbbly cn b fr sme

You're right. Amended my original comment to reflect this.

 

[GentleJerk]

@mixolydian I agree 100%. One Dr. Igor Markov believes that a lot of CFS cases are due to an underlying 'dysbiosis' , so not a raging infection by a single pathogen per se, but a disruption in the balance of beneficial and harmful communities of organisms in the body causing overgrowth of the harmful ones- often brought on by antibiotics use. He believes that there is a 'microbiome' not just in the gut, but in most organs including the kidneys. Maybe not 100% of the time.. But along the lines of potential pathogenic causes, I think he is on to something. There are some CFS sufferers that have managed to treat and sometimes cure their condition with a fecal transplant. But officially, CFS/ME is still classified as a mental illness that benefits from graded exercise therapy.

In the past, Fibro symptoms have responded favorably to antifungal medication that was used to treat an unrelated candida infection- which triggered an investigation into a possible fungal cause for fibro, but there was a lack of funding and it was abandoned. Some people have cured their Fibro with a fecal transplant, further suggesting that it can have a pathogenic cause. But officially, Fibro is a mental illness that benefits from cognitive behavioral therapy and biofeedback.

@Chinaski absolutely! While I acknowledge that trauma and stress can contribute in many ways to poor health, and severe trauma (how vague) can leave people with nervous and somatic symptoms- I think that the number of people diagnosed with psychosomatic illnesses that are actually caused by stress alone are infinitesimal, and the 'stress' explanation for a wide variety of chronic illnesses is an outright callous sham. Idiopathic = I dunno aye. Psychogenic = made up. Dustbin diagnoses, I love it! Very good description. Just because they label things with specific sounding official labels, doesn't obscure the fact that there is a disgusting amount of dismissal and ignorance pervading nearly every aspect.

Also, speaking of FMT, there are supposedly incurable diseases 'without a known cause' such a Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis, that have been cured with fecal transplants. Even some cases of things like obesity and depression have been cured with them. This almost proves beyond a doubt that there is often a pathogenic cause for seemingly unrelated diseases.

 

[GentleJerk]

Wld b wrth follwng rsearch of Dr. Ron Davis also - carrd out @ Stnfrd & hs sn/chld hs svere c.f.s

Also whch cntry r u in - g.e.t fr me/cfs hs bn withdrwn in th u.k nw

Hmmm... that's strange. I can't see you asking in your comment about which country I'm in, but when I quote the post it appears? Very odd.



Australia.
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I wonder how many other posts I have not been able to read

 

[Dot]

Hmmm... that's strange. I can't see you asking in your comment about which country I'm in, but when I quote the post it appears? Very odd.

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Australia.
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I wonder how many other posts I have not been able to read

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[Samsal112]

I have been dealing with a chronic illness for a little over three years now and I agree. It has traumatized me with the amount of doctors who said it was all in my head and I needed to see a therapist. I eventually sought out a therapist who pushed a psych and drugs on me and now I am worse off. After all of my Googling (guess I wouldn't call it research) and two nutritionists, we believe I have suffered from an imbalanced gut with gastritis due to high anxiety, fad diets, and antibiotic use after a kidney infection. Because our American system is so specialized, it was hard to get a diagnosis because my stomach issues were also causing panic attacks, head aches, blurry vision, and fatigue; I needed a specialists for all these complaints. I still can't believe that any doctor was stupid (yes, I said stupid) to not even have thought of gastritis! Instead, after 10 months of constant debilitating pain, the GI decided to take my gallbladder out. That has made everything soooo much worse. If a doctor would have recognized it was gastritis, I could have lowered my stress, stopped caffeine, and gotten on a bland diet.

But through all this, I have Googled autoimmune diseases, depression, benzo withdrawal, and CFS, and it all comes back to an imbalance of the gut or something in the body is off. The body doesn't naturally malfunction and I can't see how anyone who believes that the body is this wonderful, powerful thing can also believe that it just decides to start attacking itself. I think most of these illnesses are rooted in our diet and environment. I can't speak for everyone else, but in America we have a grind until you burn out attitude, which is stupid. Overworking yourself will lead to things such as CFS or autoimmune diseases. Our food is pumped with hormones, and we have a diet high in preservatives. If you're poor in America, then you can only afford a diet high in preservatives cheap stuff.

 

[Chinaski]

@mixolydian I agree 100%. One Dr. Igor Markov believes that a lot of CFS cases are due to an underlying 'dysbiosis' , so not a raging infection by a single pathogen per se, but a disruption in the balance of beneficial and harmful communities of organisms in the body causing overgrowth of the harmful ones- often brought on by antibiotics use. He believes that there is a 'microbiome' not just in the gut, but in most organs including the kidneys. Maybe not 100% of the time.. But along the lines of potential pathogenic causes, I think he is on to something. There are some CFS sufferers that have managed to treat and sometimes cure their condition with a fecal transplant. But officially, CFS/ME is still classified as a mental illness that benefits from graded exercise therapy.

In the past, Fibro symptoms have responded favorably to antifungal medication that was used to treat an unrelated candida infection- which triggered an investigation into a possible fungal cause for fibro, but there was a lack of funding and it was abandoned. Some people have cured their Fibro with a fecal transplant, further suggesting that it can have a pathogenic cause. But officially, Fibro is a mental illness that benefits from cognitive behavioral therapy and biofeedback.

@Chinaski absolutely! While I acknowledge that trauma and stress can contribute in many ways to poor health, and severe trauma (how vague) can leave people with nervous and somatic symptoms- I think that the number of people diagnosed with psychosomatic illnesses that are actually caused by stress alone are infinitesimal, and the 'stress' explanation for a wide variety of chronic illnesses is an outright callous sham. Idiopathic = I dunno aye. Psychogenic = made up. Dustbin diagnoses, I love it! Very good description. Just because they label things with specific sounding official labels, doesn't obscure the fact that there is a disgusting amount of dismissal and ignorance pervading nearly every aspect.

Also, speaking of FMT, there are supposedly incurable diseases 'without a known cause' such a Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis, that have been cured with fecal transplants. Even some cases of things like obesity and depression have been cured with them. This almost proves beyond a doubt that there is often a pathogenic cause for seemingly unrelated diseases.

Should clarify that "dustbin" (or "trashcan") diagnosis is not an original term, it's literally a term they use brazenly, within their own texts, with the justification that patients prefer a diagnosis, a handy label, as it helps them manage their symptoms. This paternalistic bollocks is basically giving these fuckers carte blanche to diagnose any old shit just to get shut of difficult patients.

 

[motel rooms]

Psychogenic = made up.

IMO, "psychogenic" is a term that no scientist should be allowed to use. Isn't medicine supposed to be based on empirical evidence? What is the psyche/soul/spirit, what empirical evidence is there that it's separate from the body? It's generated by the brain, which is a bodily organ. How can an illness associated with the brain be made-up? The problem is that medical doctors refuse to admit that they still don't know enough about how that complex organ (mal)functions.

 

[willitpass]

i was diagnosed with psychosomatic non-epileptic seizures a few years back, luckily they went away. now i've been diagnosed with IBS since september because of a whole host of issues with my stomach. they took one look at a picture of my poop and labeled it IBS and told me to take fiber and peppermint oil. i have horrible intestinal problems that leave me on the toilet for 15 minutes at a time 5+ times a day. anytime i eat i end up in the bathroom within a half hour or less of eating. i went to the doctor for fatigue so bad i could barely stay awake even when i was standing but they told me it was stress and to try deep breathing. as soon as they find out i have a history of mental problems they stop taking me seriously

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I started having weird immune system symptoms involving histamine and itchy skin (similar to Dermatographia) right after I got mono my junior year of high school, and these symptoms never went away. 12 years later I was diagnosed with Lupus. My Rheumatologist thinks they might be connected.

I wish a fecal transplant could give me a whole new life, lol.

 

[GentleJerk]

How can an illness associated with the brain be made-up? The problem is that medical doctors refuse to admit that they still don't know enough about how that complex organ (mal)functions.

That's exactly right, and all too often they seem to put in more work to subjugate and psychologically man-handle their patients, rather than actually strive to provide real benefits or exploring the frontiers of their own chosen field of profession! There would be some rare gems who truly deserve recognition, but it seems they are vastly outnumbered by total clods who simply managed to afford the fees to attend medical college without dropping out before their course was completed. Especially outside of private healthcare.

Most of the GP's in my country are from overseas and barely speak a lick of english, you can't even get a job at McDonald's without being able to understand english language, yet here they are. I wouldn't mind the language barriers if they were even halfway decent doctors, but they are awful and know little more than how to throw paracetamol at everything.

They gladly accept all the glory and credit of a highly prestigious occupation, while operating within the bare minimum requirements needed to keep their job safe and have just enough knowledge about how it all works to avoid a lawsuit at all costs.

i went to the doctor for fatigue so bad i could barely stay awake even when i was standing but they told me it was stress and to try deep breathing. as soon as they find out i have a history of mental problems they stop taking me seriously

This is a perfect example of the failings of modern medicine. I swear these charlatans have got everybody duped. They ride on the coat tails of the noteworthy 21st century achievements in medicine, on the news they are cloning an extinct species like Jurassic Park and building bionic limbs for amputees, meanwhile the average person cant get a doctor to give a damn more than saying "it's stress" when they are suffering from multiple physical chronic health disorders. I don't believe for one second that your non-epileptic seizures were psychosomatic, all I hear is the asinine gibberish of another so-called doctor who knows nothing of any value but would rather be seen as a genius.

I started having weird immune system symptoms involving histamine and itchy skin (similar to Dermatographia) right after I got mono my junior year of high school, and these symptoms never went away. 12 years later I was diagnosed with Lupus. My Rheumatologist thinks they might be connected.

I wish a fecal transplant could give me a whole new life, lol.

Your Rheumatologist seems quite astute and actually sounds half decent, good on him. I think it would be very likely based on your observations and the timeline of the illness, and the various delayed effects on the immune system that underlying infections can have.

Same x) if that's all it would take, sign me up!
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Wld b wrth follwng rsearch of Dr. Ron Davis also - carrd out @ Stnfrd & hs sn/chld hs svere c.f.s

That's wonderful, an actual test that could show if a person has CFS/ME on paper would be a miracle for sufferers. Then no one could deny that it's a real, physical disease and more doctors would have to take it seriously, and search for a cure rather than label it a complex, unknown, incurable what-cha-ma-call-it I hope he can follow through with his research and development, and it gets attention. It's sad how many worthy causes don't.

It takes a very selfless individual, driven by something very powerful like watching his own son suffer terribly, with no recognition by the medical community, to take it upon himself to devote his own time and resources in an attempt to personally further the science of medicine, when nobody else will. He deserves a medal.