Autogenic death?

[boppe]

Hi, lately I been a lot in NDE kind of mood and somehow stumble upon this video.
This woman suicide and went into afterlife for a while. What interest me the most is the way she choose to go. Autogenic Training? Did she learn how to stop her heart? May it be painless death? I'm quite confused here. Is this thing real? You can skin the video to 11:06, that's where she starts the conversation.

 

[AnxietyAttack44]

It sounds like one of those methods that are hard to achive.

 

[Acerakis]

This is the only time I have heard of it and apparently it didn't work if she is here to tell the tale so...

 

[Giraffey]

I am a trained and qualified hypnotist (stage and clinical) and have been practising formally and informally for just over ten years now. Autogenic training is something with which I am intimately familiar and unfortunately, the notion that you can somehow use it to commit suicide is a medical fallacy, a myth.

Suggestion and hypnosis can and do allow you to accomplish a physical effect on your body, this is exactly why placebos work, but it is simply not possible to use suggestion and essentially 'will' yourself to stop your heart. You can slow your heart-rate down through focused relaxation techniques; I've learned to do this myself over the years, but any mechanism by which this could possibly lead to suicide would be purely coincidental and likely predicated and attributed to an underlying condition (in my professional, albeit non-medical opinion).

Not wishing to challenge anybody's beliefs here, but it's probably worth mentioning that I have taken part in experiments in which I have induced everything from 'astral projection' to a 'near-death experience' to past life regression in multiple subjects with little more than psychological suggestion. Again, not to discredit anybody's beliefs and say that these things don't exist, but these experiences were all attributable to hallucinations, false memories and altered states of consciousness.

Hypnosis (such as autogenic training) can easily be used to produce a hallucination that has all of the properties of a classic "near-death experience" (bright white light, floating above body, being aware of conversations in the room whilst asleep, strong emotions, religious/spiritual imagery etc), but there is a world of difference between producing such phenomena and actually "willing oneself to death".

I'm happy to get into the technical debate if anybody disagrees, but personally I would advise being very, very wary of anybody proclaiming that any form of hypnosis is capable of causing death, or indeed any of the other popular myths like hypnotic mind-control or hypnotised assassins or seducing people into bed using hypnosis etc.

 

[Painless_end]

I am a trained and qualified hypnotist (stage and clinical) and have been practising formally and informally for just over ten years now. Autogenic training is something with which I am intimately familiar and unfortunately, the notion that you can somehow use it to commit suicide is a medical fallacy, a myth.

Suggestion and hypnosis can and do allow you to accomplish a physical effect on your body, this is exactly why placebos work, but it is simply not possible to use suggestion and essentially 'will' yourself to stop your heart. You can slow your heart-rate down through focused relaxation techniques; I've learned to do this myself over the years, but any mechanism by which this could possibly lead to suicide would be purely coincidental and likely predicated and attributed to an underlying condition (in my professional, albeit non-medical opinion).

Not wishing to challenge anybody's beliefs here, but it's probably worth mentioning that I have taken part in experiments in which I have induced everything from 'astral projection' to a 'near-death experience' to past life regression in multiple subjects with little more than psychological suggestion. Again, not to discredit anybody's beliefs and say that these things don't exist, but these experiences were all attributable to hallucinations, false memories and altered states of consciousness.

Hypnosis (such as autogenic training) can easily be used to produce a hallucination that has all of the properties of a classic "near-death experience" (bright white light, floating above body, being aware of conversations in the room whilst asleep, strong emotions, religious/spiritual imagery etc), but there is a world of difference between producing such phenomena and actually "willing oneself to death".

I'm happy to get into the technical debate if anybody disagrees, but personally I would advise being very, very wary of anybody proclaiming that any form of hypnosis is capable of causing death, or indeed any of the other popular myths like hypnotic mind-control or hypnotised assassins or seducing people into bed using hypnosis etc.

This was very well written and explained.

Hope you don't mind me asking, you sound like you are professionally capable and in a discipline which can be used to calm oneself if needed, right ?

So why are you on a site like this ? Just curious by the way.

 

[Giraffey]

This was very well written and explained.

Hope you don't mind me asking, you sound like you are professionally capable and in a discipline which can be used to calm oneself if needed, right ?

So why are you on a site like this ? Just curious by the way.

I don't mind at all, it's a good question. To put it simply, I'm able to use the techniques I know to keep myself calm and prevent myself from having a breakdown. I do this on a daily basis actually, especially the last few weeks in which I've been experiencing excruciating and intrusive thoughts, anger towards life. I can keep myself calm, and I am educated in resolving problems, but I cannot see a solution to my own.

I'm here because of the damage that an abusive ex-partner did to my life and the implications of that which constrain and restrict my future, because of the loss of my daughter and the worst relationship breakup of my life where I lost my true soulmate. I feel as though my future cannot and will not improve. I am caught in limbo between wanting to CTB to escape a future in which I no longer feel hope (a different feeling than depression), and not wanting to hurt my parents or my family.

I'm working through it, slowly but surely... The question I'm asking myself whether my future is actually worth the effort - and that's why I'm here.

 

[sufferingalways]

I don't mind at all, it's a good question. To put it simply, I'm able to use the techniques I know to keep myself calm and prevent myself from having a breakdown. I do this on a daily basis actually, especially the last few weeks in which I've been experiencing excruciating and intrusive thoughts, anger towards life. I can keep myself calm, and I am educated in resolving problems, but I cannot see a solution to my own.

I'm here because of the damage that an abusive ex-partner did to my life and the implications of that which constrain and restrict my future, because of the loss of my daughter and the worst relationship breakup of my life where I lost my true soulmate. I feel as though my future cannot and will not improve. I am caught in limbo between wanting to CTB to escape a future in which I no longer feel hope (a different feeling than depression), and not wanting to hurt my parents or my family.

I'm working through it, slowly but surely... The question I'm asking myself whether my future is actually worth the effort - and that's why I'm here.

Im so sorry to hear of your pains. I know someone else with a similar situation and she has told a lot of how she feels and how the dynamics happened, so i have empathy for how you might be feeling. Could you seek out others in similar situations for support? I appreciate that i dont know your daily feelings, and neither do I dismiss the heaviness of your pain. It's just an idea. Wishing you health and courage, sending you Blessings and hugs

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I am a trained and qualified hypnotist (stage and clinical) and have been practising formally and informally for just over ten years now. Autogenic training is something with which I am intimately familiar and unfortunately, the notion that you can somehow use it to commit suicide is a medical fallacy, a myth.

Suggestion and hypnosis can and do allow you to accomplish a physical effect on your body, this is exactly why placebos work, but it is simply not possible to use suggestion and essentially 'will' yourself to stop your heart. You can slow your heart-rate down through focused relaxation techniques; I've learned to do this myself over the years, but any mechanism by which this could possibly lead to suicide would be purely coincidental and likely predicated and attributed to an underlying condition (in my professional, albeit non-medical opinion).

Not wishing to challenge anybody's beliefs here, but it's probably worth mentioning that I have taken part in experiments in which I have induced everything from 'astral projection' to a 'near-death experience' to past life regression in multiple subjects with little more than psychological suggestion. Again, not to discredit anybody's beliefs and say that these things don't exist, but these experiences were all attributable to hallucinations, false memories and altered states of consciousness.

Hypnosis (such as autogenic training) can easily be used to produce a hallucination that has all of the properties of a classic "near-death experience" (bright white light, floating above body, being aware of conversations in the room whilst asleep, strong emotions, religious/spiritual imagery etc), but there is a world of difference between producing such phenomena and actually "willing oneself to death".

I'm happy to get into the technical debate if anybody disagrees, but personally I would advise being very, very wary of anybody proclaiming that any form of hypnosis is capable of causing death, or indeed any of the other popular myths like hypnotic mind-control or hypnotised assassins or seducing people into bed using hypnosis etc.

Damn. I'll be sending 'How to get women into bed using hypnosis' back to Amazon then.

I don't mind at all, it's a good question. To put it simply, I'm able to use the techniques I know to keep myself calm and prevent myself from having a breakdown. I do this on a daily basis actually, especially the last few weeks in which I've been experiencing excruciating and intrusive thoughts, anger towards life. I can keep myself calm, and I am educated in resolving problems, but I cannot see a solution to my own.

I'm here because of the damage that an abusive ex-partner did to my life and the implications of that which constrain and restrict my future, because of the loss of my daughter and the worst relationship breakup of my life where I lost my true soulmate. I feel as though my future cannot and will not improve. I am caught in limbo between wanting to CTB to escape a future in which I no longer feel hope (a different feeling than depression), and not wanting to hurt my parents or my family.

I'm working through it, slowly but surely... The question I'm asking myself whether my future is actually worth the effort - and that's why I'm here.

Sorry to hear of your troubles and inner conflict. I think may of us are here trying to answer the same question.