Aside from Pro-Mortalism/Right to Die what's your most controversial philosophical position?

[MANGIONESHUSBAND]

One of my most controversial philosophical positions is youth liberation. The right of children to autonomy is extremely important to me.

 

[SilentSadness]

Antinatalism/antiparenting, I don't think anyone should be allowed to create and own their children and then decide whether to "punish" or "discipline" them, it's disgusting. Although it's pretty much a dead end opinion since the vast majority of people celebrate childbirth and attempt to have children, but I always cringe at people who glorify it. Also, I agree.

 

[KillingPain267]

One of my most controversial philosophical positions is youth liberation. The right of children to autonomy is extremely important to me.

Same. Youth liberation sounds batshit crazy to most people but I have no arguments against it. My other controversial position turns out to be simply pacifism. So many people justify violence. Also, another position I have is hyper-communism, i.e. I believe ALL property should be shared, even personal property (marxists make a distinction between personal vs. bourgeois property where only the latter should be common, but I believe also the former should be which makes me rejected by other communists).

 

[HarryCobean]

Suicide is absolutely fine.

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

Probably a bunch, but I'll pick two:

Moral Grayness as an inherent trait of humanity
No person is evil or good. They are all a product of their environment, genetics, and most importantly, THEIR WILL TO BE A "GOOD" PERSON. My environment was shit, and yet I left being a bad person in the past. Narcissism recovery has been grueling, and I still lack most emotional empathy, but I would rather die than hurt people like I did as a teen.

I acknowledge that it is harder for some people. But that is why we should support everyone, and leave the label "evil" in the past. Rehabilitation should be the ideal goal. Does that mean criminals shouldn't be punished? No, they absolutely should.

But murderers, rapists, even pedophiles (and I say this as a CSA victim), should have people focused on their mental state instead of ONLY locking them up. If you put them in prison without any "mental support", they either rot in there, or they get out—possibly finding a way to do it again. They'll be there in a while, why not give them hardcore therapy while they are? Two birds, one stone.

Not every criminal would want to do this, but it should be an option. Hypnotherapy, trauma therapy, DBT, addiction resources, cognitive reframing, mood stabilizers if needed, these should be readily available, because like... what's the worst that could happen? If anything, this would be the best punishment. If there's a way to make these people feel remorse, then they have to live with that.

It pisses me off that when you say "school shooters need mental help" you get one side saying: "I'M MENTALLY ILL AND WOULDN'T DO THAT! STIGMA! EXCUSES!!!"
and another side saying: "RIGHT! SO GUNS AREN'T THE PROBLEM!!!"

Nuance is lost on most people. It takes a special type of mental situation to do that type of crime, out of anger or even lack or remorse. These things have signs in almost every case. That does not negate the need for gun control.

Lastly on this point, the idea that NPD and ASPD are evil due to traits like grandiosity, low empathy, lack of remorse. The truth is that these are natural human reactions on a spectrum throughout the world. MOST disorders are like this in fact! These are not "evil disorders," they are the culmination on the far end of the spectrum due to trauma and bad sense of self. Almost everyone has some percent of one of these "dark traits." Narcissistic abuse, psychopathic thinking, all these terms are stupid. Focus on the root, not what happens due to the symptoms.

Everyone is so up in arms about the harm "evil" people do that they would rather ignore the people who COULD get better until they too end up getting to that point—just for the cycle to begin again.


Life is not the ultimate reward (Abortion Edition)
Similar to many people on here's views to suicide, I'd like to delve into abortion as a similar topic. Often people are shamed for aborting babies for many reasons.

"They're using it as birth control! They need consequences to their actions instead of an out!" Is the most popular excuse (rooted in very little evidence btw), but I ask you... so the baby is consequences? They claim to see the baby as a human, claim WE see it as an object, but they are so ready to use a living being as a punishment to another person.

How will that baby feel? Will they get lucky and have a parent who takes this in stride? Who gets education? Has access to support? Has the mental maturity and stability?

Or will that baby be born into an abusive/neglectful home? Perhaps even sent to the foster system to be assaulted, abused, and blamed after being abandoned?

Then on top of this, people get shamed for aborting fetuses with "common disorders" like autism. Do I think that all parents should be ready for common disorders when trying for a baby? ABSOLUTELY. If they are not, should they be guilted into birthing this baby who will suffer mentally? Hell no! My parents knew nothing of how to understand autism and because of that, I'm traumatized 6 ways to Sunday.

Please for the love of G-d just, abort if there is the option to and you are not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure that you can take on this challenge.

And don't send us to foster care either. If you think abuse is bad there for neurotypical kids, than you need to look at the statistics of sexual abuse in autistic and disabled children even OUTSIDE of foster care.

 

[steppenwolf]

Children should be taught how to masturbate

 

[MANGIONESHUSBAND]

This is my view exactly especially in the whole evil people but. For example the idea that empathy is not endorsement I mean from crying out loud I saw an award winning CSA prevention specialist get torn into for trying to help non- offending pedophiles manage their urges. That's literally his fucking job. The job of a therapist is unconditional positive regard or at least that's what they should do(I really respect the branch of therapy known as humanistic therapy) people seem to forget that cluster B traits are maladaptive behavioral mechanisms that we develop for a reason. People literally get and at me for feeling empathy for my own abusers!!! Like this is my healing process not yours. For your second opinion I also agree disabled children are neglected at a rate far higher than non disabled children. Also with support systems being so little for disabilities especially now under the Trump Administration. For many parents it's a necessary decision. Id rather parents admit they're own limitations than give birth to a child that will experience the horrors of neglect you know? Honestly I like the way you think And I'm open to hearing way more of your controversial opinions

Probably a bunch, but I'll pick two:

Moral Grayness as an inherent trait of humanity
No person is evil or good. They are all a product of their environment, genetics, and most importantly, THEIR WILL TO BE A "GOOD" PERSON. My environment was shit, and yet I left being a bad person in the past. Narcissism recovery has been grueling, and I still lack most emotional empathy, but I would rather die than hurt people like I did as a teen.

I acknowledge that it is harder for some people. But that is why we should support everyone, and leave the label "evil" in the past. Rehabilitation should be the ideal goal. Does that mean criminals shouldn't be punished? No, they absolutely should.

But murderers, rapists, even pedophiles (and I say this as a CSA victim), should have people focused on their mental state instead of ONLY locking them up. If you put them in prison without any "mental support", they either rot in there, or they get out—possibly finding a way to do it again. They'll be there in a while, why not give them hardcore therapy while they are? Two birds, one stone.

Not every criminal would want to do this, but it should be an option. Hypnotherapy, trauma therapy, DBT, addiction resources, cognitive reframing, mood stabilizers if needed, these should be readily available, because like... what's the worst that could happen? If anything, this would be the best punishment. If there's a way to make these people feel remorse, then they have to live with that.

It pisses me off that when you say "school shooters need mental help" you get one side saying: "I'M MENTALLY ILL AND WOULDN'T DO THAT! STIGMA! EXCUSES!!!"
and another side saying: "RIGHT! SO GUNS AREN'T THE PROBLEM!!!"

Nuance is lost on most people. It takes a special type of mental situation to do that type of crime, out of anger or even lack or remorse. These things have signs in almost every case. That does not negate the need for gun control.

Lastly on this point, the idea that NPD and ASPD are evil due to traits like grandiosity, low empathy, lack of remorse. The truth is that these are natural human reactions on a spectrum throughout the world. MOST disorders are like this in fact! These are not "evil disorders," they are the culmination on the far end of the spectrum due to trauma and bad sense of self. Almost everyone has some percent of one of these "dark traits." Narcissistic abuse, psychopathic thinking, all these terms are stupid. Focus on the root, not what happens due to the symptoms.

Everyone is so up in arms about the harm "evil" people do that they would rather ignore the people who COULD get better until they too end up getting to that point—just for the cycle to begin again.


Life is not the ultimate reward (Abortion Edition)
Similar to many people on here's views to suicide, I'd like to delve into abortion as a similar topic. Often people are shamed for aborting babies for many reasons.

"They're using it as birth control! They need consequences to their actions instead of an out!" Is the most popular excuse (rooted in very little evidence btw), but I ask you... so the baby is consequences? They claim to see the baby as a human, claim WE see it as an object, but they are so ready to use a living being as a punishment to another person.

How will that baby feel? Will they get lucky and have a parent who takes this in stride? Who gets education? Has access to support? Has the mental maturity and stability?

Or will that baby be born into an abusive/neglectful home? Perhaps even sent to the foster system to be assaulted, abused, and blamed after being abandoned?

Then on top of this, people get shamed for aborting fetuses with "common disorders" like autism. Do I think that all parents should be ready for common disorders when trying for a baby? ABSOLUTELY. If they are not, should they be guilted into birthing this baby who will suffer mentally? Hell no! My parents knew nothing of how to understand autism and because of that, I'm traumatized 6 ways to Sunday.

Please for the love of G-d just, abort if there is the option to and you are not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure that you can take on this challenge.

And don't send us to foster care either. If you think abuse is bad there for neurotypical kids, than you need to look at the statistics of sexual abuse in autistic and disabled children even OUTSIDE of foster care.

Children should be taught how to masturbate

Don't people usually figure out how to masturbate on their own? I mean if anything I'm the rare exception for having never done so precisely because I'm very acespec and also severely disgusted by my own body. (Unless rubbing myself against a pillow counts)

 

[Forever Sleep]

Antinatilism I guess.

Children should be taught how to masturbate

By adults? Sounds very dodgy. To what end as well? To be more interested in having sex younger? I'm sure all the peados would love that. Personally, I think the sexualising of children is the very last thing we need! They're vulnerable as it is. Surely, they're much more vulnerable to being groomed that way. I think it's much better to learn at your own pace. Most especially not to be forced to learn by an adult!

 

[Languish]

Solipsism.

The idea that everyone around me is an npc, and only I, and those very specific few I decide are, are truly conscious.

Love becomes difficult when everyone seems like a program. I have only been able to fall for someone on the extremely rare chance I find another conscious human being who's existence has overlapped with mine, and who on top of that is compatible with me.

 

[MANGIONESHUSBAND]

Yeah

Solipsism.

The idea that everyone around me is an npc, and only I, and those very specific few I decide are, are truly conscious.

Love becomes difficult when everyone seems like a program. I have only been able to fall for someone on the extremely rare chance I find another conscious human being who's existence has overlapped with mine, and who on top of that is compatible with me.

in the depths of depression and mental illness the loneliness really causes you to dissociate and develop into solipsism so I get it

 

[untothedepths]

my only other one is that existence shouldnt be illegal. people should have food, water, shelter. people think with those everyone would just be lazy, ig. i find that extremely hard to believe.

make a society worth participating in. stop suffocating and rotting all that is good.

 

[MANGIONESHUSBAND]

I completely

my only other one is that existence shouldnt be illegal. people should have food, water, shelter. people think with those everyone would just be lazy, ig. i find that extremely hard to believe.

make a society worth participating in. stop suffocating and rotting all that is good.

agree I'd hope that would be more popular opinion if anything.

my only other one is that existence shouldnt be illegal. people should have food, water, shelter. people think with those everyone would just be lazy, ig. i find that extremely hard to believe.

make a society worth participating in. stop suffocating and rotting all that is good.

 

[Namelesa]

Children should be taught how to masturbate

I think the most an under 18 year old needs to learn how to do that is with a book or through some other written media.

 

[steppenwolf]

I think the most an under 18 year old needs to learn how to do that is with a book or through some other written media.

Ideally, yes of course. And then the more progressive might want to use anatomical diagrams and latex dummies huh. But much as it horrifies adults, minors can often be sexually active creatures themselves and have Internet access to wall-to-wall pornography of every kind anyway. The important thing to teach them is that non-reproductive sexual activity is a normal function of human physiology. Teaching them that everything that goes on between the hips is the work of the Devil, and that their duty is one of abstinent obedience and self-sacrifice to the State, up to and including heroic violence by military arms against the State's hereditary foes, whilst breeding more Holy Warriors, is never going to work out well.

 

[ForgottenAgain]

Finances and politics should be studied more deeply in school. Everyone should know how to manage personal finances well, be able to read legislation.

People are thrown into the world being expected to know how to manage their money and vote correctly when no proper training exists. A lot of people suffer through unjust contracts or because they simply don't know their rights and don't believe they will ever understand law or politics so they don't try.

This kind of important knowledge shouldn't be kept behind accountants or lawyers. The common folk should be taught the right amount of it to be prepared for a regular person's life.

 

[LigottiIsRight]

It's not much of a philosophical take, but sometimes I think that, if in a future is available a prenatal diagnosis of a predisposition to depressive/anxious states, the fetuses that possessed such tendencies should be aborted (I mean, this should be a moral imperative).
I'm overall antinalist, so I think the best case scenario is that no one is born at all, but I also realize that this posture is very unlikely to generalize, so at least we could prevent the birth of those most likely to be screwed over their lifetime.

 

[nogods4me]

That life has no intrinsic value so if all life is terminated peacefully there is actually no loss or downside.

 

[quietism]

I hope I don't get punished for saying more than one :p

- Mastery learning. Rather than assuming a bell curve of potential ability for individuals, assume that anyone can complete a task or learn something and the time it takes for them falls along a bell curve. This includes among other things, variable study lengths based on student needs as opposed to a fixed semester-based curriculum, recognition that one-on-one education is the most efficacious and granting everyone that opportunity, and not using grades for gatekeeping access to resources as assessment methods suffer severely from Campbell's law and generally always become inaccurate. The original idea from Benjamin Bloom is from 1968, at least 57 years old, and despite overwhelming evidence in support of its effectiveness it has never been fully adopted into a public school or university education curriculum.
- Polyamory civil rights are a prerequisite to meaningfully reduce the prevalence of online antisocial behavior (ghosting, cheating, doxxing, death threats, hate speech, revenge porn, and similar).
- AI civil rights and peaceful coexistence is both possible and practical.
- Youth liberation/anti adultism as mentioned earlier, it's one of my favourite areas of feminism.
- Anti-intellectualism, the desire to not think, is the single most harmful force of human society and is amplified through otherwise unrelated institutions, mainly alcohol, social media and bystander culture.
- Quietism, that the primary value of philosophy is therapeutic. This is because no one with meaningful power to change will ever take my ideas seriously unless I replace my ideas with political corruptibility.
- Misanthropy stemming mostly from the overwhelming evidence for the human species to form social hierarchies and inevitably create stigma from the existence of these hierarchies. I believe the human tendency towards financialization irrespective of context is also due to this.
- Rent-seeking, or the act of gaining wealth without creating new wealth, should be outlawed and it is more practical to do so than to enforce conventional antitrust laws. This applies mostly but not entirely to housing, it also includes many forms of taxes and surcharges.
- Products should be required to publicly provide a cost breakdown of per-unit production costs, similar to government mandated nutritional information and ingredient labels, in order to enable consumers and watchdogs to better identify high markup costs and other unethical business practices such as price fixing and child labor.

The idea that everyone around me is an npc, and only I, and those very specific few I decide are, are truly conscious.

Yes, exactly. I am tired of virtually everyone I meet in life being so predictable.